Steph really, really, REALLY hates Paul Heyman. I'm pretty sure that's where the hatred originates - the fact that heyman recruited him to WWE.
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Steph really, really, REALLY hates Paul Heyman. I'm pretty sure that's where the hatred originates - the fact that heyman recruited him to WWE.
RandyBobandy
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Oh man I missed this. Rock absolutely eviscerated him
Why wasn't he like this when he came back? He was so tame compared to this video
I wish Heyman was running this company
the company would go out of business faster lol
HeisenbergLannister
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I wish Heyman was running this company
If not the WWE, then TNA like he was close to doing if it wasn't for Dixie being the biggest moron in wrestling.
With Heyman booking TNA, I think they would be giving Vince some real competition for the first time in over a decade, and we'd see Vince break out of his bubble like he was forced to do in '97.
Man what a promo
DontBeThatGuy
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Don't a whole lot of people in the business hate Paul Heyman? But whatever, why does Steph?
Most of the ecw people still like him. He always talks about how he believed in everyone in the roster.
Can hhh say that about the current roster?
Arrowgigantic
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I'm going back to Zack Ryder.
Zack Ryder had gotten over without YouTube before in ECW, getting a title shot against Christian. He did quite a bit of midcard work, certainly more than he gets now, and it was solid.
As others have said, the guy had the crowd chanting for him during a Rock promo and it was squandered. He should have slid right into Santino's spot when Santino retired, but they fucked it up again. It's just another case of Vince being (slowly) reactive instead of knowing how to use what he's got.
Zack Ryder had gotten over without YouTube before in ECW, getting a title shot against Christian. He did quite a bit of midcard work, certainly more than he gets now, and it was solid.
As others have said, the guy had the crowd chanting for him during a Rock promo and it was squandered. He should have slid right into Santino's spot when Santino retired, but they fucked it up again. It's just another case of Vince being (slowly) reactive instead of knowing how to use what he's got.
Worth noting Punk was hired in 2005 and HHH didn't start venturing into talent relations until 2011, then took it over completely in 2012.
Not always.
Two of those aren't HHH hires.
Sir_Crocodile
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I suspect it's pure jealousy. She was running smackdown's booking/creative when he came in, and obviously heyman is lightyears better then her at that.
DoktorEvil
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Paul Heyman is one of the better talent scouts the WWE has.
But, the horror stories of him running the ECW(based on the documentary on ECW) was that he is a very poor money manager, often with talent not getting paychecks timely.
Dick Justice
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5F6xG-Rbs
So I guess he still thought he'd be going back at this point? Especially considering that sarcastic "Never ever ever".
So I guess he still thought he'd be going back at this point? Especially considering that sarcastic "Never ever ever".
Killing_Joke
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Everyone should watch the Ricardo Rodriguez shoot if you want a good idea how H is running things now.
His story is almost identical to Punks. Fucked over on money, punished for speaking his mind, and literally pushed him to quit. Road dogg in charge of creative and Joey Mercury being H right hand man sounds fucking bizarre. Honestly seems like people are starting to miss johnby ace.
Also didn't realize he did a shit ton of behind the scenes work and smart as hell. Props to him.
His story is almost identical to Punks. Fucked over on money, punished for speaking his mind, and literally pushed him to quit. Road dogg in charge of creative and Joey Mercury being H right hand man sounds fucking bizarre. Honestly seems like people are starting to miss johnby ace.
Also didn't realize he did a shit ton of behind the scenes work and smart as hell. Props to him.
Jazzy Network
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Wait isn't Mercury good friends with Punk? I'd figure HHH would fuck him over just based on that.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Well, he gave him a stupid "stooge" gimmick.
Dick Justice
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Pretty sure Punk called him a stooge on the podcast.
Didn't Punk buy his house for him?
Sir_Crocodile
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stooge gimmicks are awesome
brisco and patterson cracked me up back in the day, and m&n crack me up now
they need to let noble talk more though, he's gold on the mic
ebullientprism
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It defies logic that they bring in all the old timers who are now big stars elsewhere or retired, have them beat regulars on the roster and then leave the next week not to be seen for months.
How do you not see this shits on your current talent?
How do you not see this shits on your current talent?
It makes perfect sense if you don't rate your current talent, which is the problem with WWE. They don't have any faith in their own roster.
ebullientprism
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Even if that is true, who does this benifit? Rock, BL etc dont need that win.
If you wanna bring them back and pay them a shit ton, fine. Maybe they are worth that draw. At least use them to push your existing roster. Those are the guys who have to carry the water rest of the year.
I just dont understand the reasoning at all. I'm sure it makes sense in Vince's head somewhere but I fail to fllow.
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Sir_Crocodile
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It's total short-termism.
I'm surprised because a lot of auto-biographies mention that vince knows where he wants to be a year in advance, but punk mentioned that pretty much everything is up in the air these days.
The product we're getting certainly supports punks view
Dick Justice
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I wonder how hard Haitch will be cracking down on the locker room, considering it's been said that most of them agree with Punk.
Jazzy Network
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I'm sure he knows where he wants his wallet to be. That doesn't happen though.
Sir_Crocodile
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If he does that everyone will join the World Rock Federation
Most of those books are from top guys and that's all Vince has his eyes on. Austin mentioned it on his podcast, he'd just ask Russo "What's the plan for Austin/Rock/Mankind" and then do the rest show by show. Now it seems it's just "What's the plan for Cena?" and that's it.
Dick Justice
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Nah he'll probably squash them in a locker room-wide handicap match, fire them, then have Raw consist entirely of 3 hour Haitch promos with no ad breaks.
demosthenes
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Holy shit :lol
Dick Justice
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Vince probably had to beg him to take it easy on the golden boy.
Didn't HHH the one that brings Kharma and Sin Cara to the E, and was the principal pusher to sign Prince Devitt?
Jazzy Network
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The only way Cena had a chance to match the Rock in promos was to get back to thuganomics. Even then he'd get owned, but at least he'd have a fighting chance.
He's definitely more in tune with international stars than Vince.
I wouldn't point Kharma and Sin Cara out as successful signings in retrospect.
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You should watch the documentary wwe put out on heyman. Heyman while somewhat a loose cannon he knows how to make storylines and characters. He know how to DEVELOPE talent, something the wwe lacks. When heyman was in charge on smackdown and its writing, smackdown beat raw every week in ratings etc. then they took that away from paul.
Kharma gets pregnant when her push started and sin cara... well, he was a fucking mess, but also, was an idiot for not trying hard to learn proper english.
My point is that haitch dont follow the same string as vince when we talk about search new talent.
Not sure what that has to do with I said.
Haitch is an asshole, but recognizes talent better than vince. I really dont think the shovel will the that bad when hhh takes over.
Haha, fuck.
Jazzy Network
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King of the botch.
My point was the guys already in there that deserve better are always going to be held back because Triple H doesn't see them for what they are or what they could be.
The question is, will anyone else have the balls to speak their mind or will they all tow the company line and accept what they're given?
Yeah, but the one that he did hire is the worst of the three.
And Corey Graves sucks. That is all.
Then you must be thrilled then that he can't wrestle anymore due too many concussions.
The only thing Book cut down on in WWE was Harlem Hangovers. That's it. He still did it once in a while and he had cut down on it in the last 2 years of WCW before that. Stevie was never a good wrestler, but he was really entertaining as part of the nWo B-Team and as color commentator.
Punk still doesn't realize he over achieved. He's a guy with an average body who is naturally nonathletic and uncoordinated, but can talk his ass off and tries really hard to over come those. Compare him to the "small guys" in the 90s that made. Guys like Bret and HBK. Then look at Punk. If Punk was wrestling in the 90s, he'd be about as big as the 123 Kid, but with bigger arms and softer torso. Now imagine Vince putting the 123 Kid as the face of his company.
Bryan also way over achieved, but he's also better in the ring and knows he over achieved.
This is what's wrong with wrestling fans and why I don't care for this "business" anymore. It's all about that look right?
Never mind the fact that despite not looking like Brock Lesnar, he can have a match as good as the best of them.
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