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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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i agree. but for me, ttgl's plot is only marginally superior, while klk's characters are leagues better than ttgl's. even in a down episode of klk, i can enjoy seeing different characters interact. in a down episode of ttgl, i feel like time is actually slowing down
I like it too.
This week's episode was good. I mean, nearly anything would be after last week, but it was legitimately entertaining. I feel that the spirit vines getting all pissed off took a backseat to Korra's character development, which isn't really a problem looking at this episode as part of a larger season, but only if they explore it a bit more in future episodes. I mean, of course we know why the spirit vines are pissed off, but it felt a little weightless and inconsequential in the scheme of this episode (merely a plot device to get Korra to sort her shit out), and I'd like it to have a bit more gravity than that.
Also good that Zaheer isn't completely forgotten. Obviously Korra has hangups over him, but I was worried they'd just brush him under the carpet. I'm glad she faced up to him; it was one of my top wishes for the season after the PTSD subplot began to unfold in episode 2.
JadedWriter
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She's probably not for everybody, but she's behind the scenes a good person. Even when they portrayed her as a villain she wasn't a straight up villain. She reminded my of Agito Makishima from Bio Booster Armor Guyver, just not as hardcore.
Okay now I'm excited.
Haha that explains why Raava didn't speak with him for the rest of his life. Man, that god does hold grudges.
It sure is. We need a scene dedicated to hair blowing in the wind from now on in every remaining episode ha.
shira
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Fuck Rava, I need resolution with Koh
They sorta revealed more of his background in the comics.
So he's probably still getting a very stern talking to in the Spirit World from his mother.
vas_a_morir
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I can't accept it. Zaheer assassinated a head of state, and his actions led directly to the creation of a global menace. How the FUCK do you not get executed?
Despite the stuff they've done on the show they still have limitations on what they can do. I vaguely remember Bryan saying in one of his interviews they can't use the word murdered or killed in the show.
Well, the menace part didn't appear as such till recently. Nbody saw Kuvira's true intentions and then ran to Zaheer to execute him quickly for that. And I guess nobody had time to spare for the legal procedures after he was caught, since there was a chaos in the kingdom. Priorities.
Admiral Woofington
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Are you kidding me? If a character hopes to shine they need to be separated from korra. Bolin has been at his best when away from her in terms of combat ability. Going with a metal bender and an airbender against an army of earth benders is fantastic chances.I wouldn't be surprised if as they're rescuing the family he gets hurt really bad or captured as he sacrifices himself to let them escape. And that's what prompts Korra and krew to attack and Opal to feel guilty for putting all the blame on Bolin.
Phoenician_Viking
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vas_a_morir
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Then they should have had a summary execution. He broke out of prison and murdered again, destroying the country. I'm a nice guy and I'm against the death penalty as it's applied in many US states... but there comes a time when you gotta be pragmatic about a threat and do what you gotta do. lol
Napoleonthechimp
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I did like Zaheer's reaction when Korra told him his effort to rid the world of dictators only created a worse one. It seemed to echo the Avatar cycle in that the balance that one of them creates only helps to instigate problems for the next one.
Zaheer can't be blamed for Kuvira's actions. He created the opportunity for her to take power, but SHE is the one who took power and did all the things she did so she bears the responsibility for them. Trying to invoke the chain of causality is stupid because taken to it's logical conclusion, you'll have to put parents in jail for crimes their kid did since the kid would have never existed without the parents. Ultimately, we are responsible for our actions as individuals and while Zaheer can be blamed for creating the situation he did, he can't be held responsible for Kuvira.
As far as his sentencing goes, he should have been killed. Not because it's just or 'what you gotta do' as vas up there says. Just because nothing else makes sense. When your dealing with a terrorist of Zaheer's magnitude, true justice is impossible. Like, where are you going to find a jury of unbiased peers in the earth kingdom, whose entire infer-structure he's annihilated? What judge is going to be fair? What defense lawyer is going to put in the slightest effort into seriously defending him? It'd be like if we were to seriously put Hitler on trial. Everyone would enter it with their minds already made up, before they heard the first piece of evidence. THe whole thing would be a farce due to his notoriety no matter what.
Even if he somehow avoided a summary execution, and got a 'fair' trial that sentenced him for life or whatever, he'd realistically be shanked at first opportunity by the prisoners he's sharing the prison with. Or, if he's in such complete isolation, then the guards would have a 'slip up' where they claim that he tried to escape and they had to defend themselves. And no one would care enough to conduct a serious investigation checking otherwise.
Congratulations, Zaheer. You wanted an environment where people can do what they want and do not allow themselves to be binded to any authority. Well, you got it. As Guru Lahima once said, "Don't drop the soap."
As far as his sentencing goes, he should have been killed. Not because it's just or 'what you gotta do' as vas up there says. Just because nothing else makes sense. When your dealing with a terrorist of Zaheer's magnitude, true justice is impossible. Like, where are you going to find a jury of unbiased peers in the earth kingdom, whose entire infer-structure he's annihilated? What judge is going to be fair? What defense lawyer is going to put in the slightest effort into seriously defending him? It'd be like if we were to seriously put Hitler on trial. Everyone would enter it with their minds already made up, before they heard the first piece of evidence. THe whole thing would be a farce due to his notoriety no matter what.
Even if he somehow avoided a summary execution, and got a 'fair' trial that sentenced him for life or whatever, he'd realistically be shanked at first opportunity by the prisoners he's sharing the prison with. Or, if he's in such complete isolation, then the guards would have a 'slip up' where they claim that he tried to escape and they had to defend themselves. And no one would care enough to conduct a serious investigation checking otherwise.
Congratulations, Zaheer. You wanted an environment where people can do what they want and do not allow themselves to be binded to any authority. Well, you got it. As Guru Lahima once said, "Don't drop the soap."
Astral Dog
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Likely, but everybody still hated the Queen, Zaheer could find many supporters if he wanted to, even Amon was able to take over republic city.
Actually, a few criminals hated the queen. Her only major enemies were people who were people who don't have enough credibility to make a difference. Other than that, Suyin and whoever didn't like her, but more because they felt was a stuffy old crow rather than some kind of monster. I don't think we know of many people who outright hated her enough to argue her death was justified. The only exception is the airbenders that she captured, if they spoke as collective against her, their testimony might be enough to discredit her slightly. And I don't think the airbending nation, of all things, build on Aang's principles, is going to argue for the death of someone, if only because Tenzin would put a stop to that shit.
But even so, I don't think that would be relevant to anything. Like, if a liberal politician got murdered by a religious extremist or something, even if we find out that they lit a cat on fire in their childhood, that's not going to hold any relevance to the case of their murder for entirely different reasoning, even if may make people dislike the politician more. Because it's not like Zaheer murdered the queen because she was captured the airbenders. Hell, a few episodes later, he did the exact same thing himself and was going to kill them in order to capture another person, so he could kill her. Anyone who supported him just based on the fact that the queen was awful is easily going to be overturned.
m_shortpants
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Who the fuck knows? I'm guessing it's like the book 2 "we'll let the fans decide" nonsense.
I saw Azula putting in work on GTAV yesterday
RockTurtle
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man a lot of stuff happened really fast. even the conversations went fast.
CHILLS!!!!
Shameless edit: Finally updated my avatar since my Knicks are terrible, and Zaheer was such a boss yesterday lol
A Human Becoming
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I disagree with your assertion. Many nations do not have the death penalty.
Despite the stuff they've done on the show they still have limitations on what they can do. I vaguely remember Bryan saying in one of his interviews they can't use the word murdered or killed in the show.
I started watching Kill la Kill recently. I found it too zany for my taste. I greatly prefer Gurren Lagann.
Dominican Power
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I'm sure the people in the lower rungs of The Earth Kingdom hated The Earth Queen. Even her servants must of hated her.
Ah... He didn't even quote you, don't take it so personally. 98% of people here agree with you.
Admiral Woofington
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It's plenty annoying because he's not the only one with drive by "fuck this community y'all are haters" posts.
I was actually about to post something in the same sense but I stopped.
Personally I think the Zaheer part came way too fast and lacked some more interactions after he helped her. I expected her to wake up to a speech about chaos and Laghima.
The angry vines make a lot of sense.
The Bolin parts are great for me. He's the real MVP this season.
I completly forgot that the best Part about being able to post now is that i can finally be Part of that final Train too instead of watching from outside! So, hi everyone
I am totally hyped for the final Episodes. How many are yet to be aired? 4 or 5?
4
and HI
JadedWriter
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Nobody liked the Earth Queen except for Bolin's crazy ass grandmother. Even Korra couldn't shed a tear for her. Even Jonathan Joestar would've shed a tear for the Earth Queen.
That Dude John
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People keep referencing JoJo's. Is it that good?
I think the Earth Queen was too high up for most people to care about her.There was more the immediate level of government like mayors and other officials people hated. They Earth Queen didn't actually do anything bad publicly or for any pleb to see. The common people could only imagine how the higher level homes and the palace looked like.
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It's very fun. It started out as a copy of Fist of the Northstar, but went ham very fast and the hammier it got, the better it was. Everything is over the top while taking itself super serious. Everything is super manly while people doing weird poses. It's great.
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JadedWriter
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First seasons been pretty good. Once you get past the art style and how 80's some of the music is it's pretty good. It has the scummiest piece of dog shit villain I've seen in a long time. You will never forget the name "Dio Brando."
That Dude John
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Between the music and the sudden manly poses, I don't think I'm ready lol
I've seen the GAF memes. He must be something serious.
JadedWriter
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Dio killed Naga.
Infinite Justice
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Its pretty crazy.
also Dio Brando is such a asshole lol
And its not only the readers either
JadedWriter
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He's an assholes asshole. He has the asshole Platinum membership card.
He goes from blonde tosser to supreme asshole within 7 minutes of the first episode and it just continues to escalate from there.
This episode felt weird to me. As Korra met with Zaheer I could only see her as a victim, if that makes sense. But she didn't overcome anything? Didn't try and change or successfully fight against her demons, which is fair enough. It's only been a couple weeks since she understood how deeply she was hurt by him.
But with all that understanding I don't think she actually worked for it. I mean, I was expecting Zaheer to go Final Duelo against her in the Spirit World, so there's that. But he's not a madman who only enjoys chaos. And he seems to have changed. While Korra is still looking to go BAM BAM so...
But with all that understanding I don't think she actually worked for it. I mean, I was expecting Zaheer to go Final Duelo against her in the Spirit World, so there's that. But he's not a madman who only enjoys chaos. And he seems to have changed. While Korra is still looking to go BAM BAM so...
I never got the feeling that Zaheer personally disliked Korra. He seemed more concerned about the rumors of Kuvira's rise to power, so it makes sense that he would help Korra out because they're both against Kuvira's dictatorship.
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