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[Kurt Angle]

i just started, 8 and a half minutes into the podcast.......and this guy is STILL trying to sell me his shitty merch. Are you joking?


I am not buying his shit just out principle, i mean 8 minutes, REALLY?

 

[DeathyBoy]

Also wtf, Bob Backlund was jacked in the 80s. And a real athlete. And DOPE. Bob Backlund is rad. From all the weird noises he'd make to the Backlund Lift to Mr. Backlund and the chicken wing. Fuck anyone who badmouths Mr. Backlund.

Hell yes.

Backlund deserves props - the first of the legends to go 'hey, this isn't working' and radically reinvent himself. His 1994-1995 heel work is fantastic, and he should've had a longer title run.

 

[Hex]

Part of me keeps hoping inside that this is the work of all works, the swerve to end all swerves because I do not want to think about Punk never setting foot inside a ring that I can watch weekly again.
But ...bleh.

 

[Rapstah]

i just started, 8 and a half minutes into the podcast.......and this guy is STILL trying to sell me his shitty merch. Are you joking?


I am not buying his shit just out principle, i mean 8 minutes, REALLY?

He has to. At least there's no advertising right in the middle of the interview.

 

[Master Thespian]

You're completely missing the points that were brought up.

The WWE stereotype is this:

The guys in all of the UFC pics are shorter and smaller, except for Herman, who is tall, but still smaller.

They are not big enough to fill that stereotype. Muscular Build > Athletic Build

Also, the overall main point is how believable it is for a out of shape guy to kick a muscular guy's ass. UFC/MMA killed that myth a LONG time ago, but people still have it stuck in their head, because that's what macho society is programmed in their heads.

YES a guy Punk's size and kick the ass of a guy that is Undertaker's size. If you have trouble believing that then please jump in a time machine and join the rest of us in the year 2014.

Sounds like you're stuck in the year 2000 when Royce Gracie was still a thing. You need to be skilled and athletic to do damage in MMA. Punk moves slowly and seems weak from the way he performs his moves. Daniel Bryan is small but athletic. Punk doesn't have the body nor the athleticism. Which doesn't mean much in terms of him being a successful wrestler, but I chuckle at his matches when he's booked as some badass instead of as a dirty cheating heel.

 

[Glorified G]

lol well if Piper and Eddie Gilbert are being brought up then Backlund can be brought up too. It might have been pre-PPV but it was still when the WWF preferred bodybuilders. Superstar Billy Graham and Hogan were the champs before and after him.

Majority of Backlund's reign was when Vince Mcmahon Sr. was in charge. Just a little after Vince Jr. became the owner he transitioned the title away the from Backlund to the Iron Sheik in preparation for Hulk Hogan's reign.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Sounds like you're stuck in the year 2000 when Royce Gracie was still a thing. You need to be skilled and athletic to do damage in MMA. Punk moves slowly and seems weak from the way he performs his moves. Daniel Bryan is small but athletic. Punk doesn't have the body nor the athleticism. Which doesn't mean much in terms of him being a successful wrestler, but I chuckle at his matches when he's booked as some badass instead of as a dirty cheating heel.

It also is worth mentioning that much like WWE, the UFC has had trouble finding guys who draw and don't have that "larger than life" look. THe UFC's biggest draws in recent memory are Brock Lesnar and GSP. Brock is a giant and GSP is ripped and is able to draw women because of the way he looks. It's not like they are selling PPVs on the backs of guys like Mark Hunt.

 

[alstein]

Backlund was 10 times the athlete the guys I mentioned ever were, and a better amateur, but he wasn't as good at storytelling.

Bad comparisons. Piper was never the face of the WWE and never won the heavy/world title. Same with Jake.

In Punk's era they had two world titles and more opportunities to run with the ball. They would have held the title at least once in the modern environment. (that will change with the reunification of title)

 

[DeathyBoy]

Backlund was 10 times the athlete the guys I mentioned ever were, and a better amateur, but he wasn't as good at storytelling.



In Punk's era they had two world titles and more opportunities to run with the ball. They would have held the title at least once in the modern environment. (that will change with the reunification of title)

WORD.

If WWF had two titles in the 80s, then Piper, Steamboat, Hennig, Dibiase, Rude, likely Honky Tonk and definitely Earthquake would've had runs.

 

[DoktorEvil]

It also is worth mentioning that much like WWE, the UFC has had trouble finding guys who draw and don't have that "larger than life" look. THe UFC's biggest draws in recent memory are Brock Lesnar and GSP. Brock is a giant and GSP is ripped and is able to draw women because of the way he looks. It's not like they are selling PPVs on the backs of guys like Mark Hunt.

Whoa whoa whoa, the UFC has/had guys like Chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, and Anderson Silva, not to forget the always eloquent Chael Sonnen to sell the UFC to people.

Chael Sonnen alone has enough mic skills to challenge anyone in the current WWE.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Whoa whoa whoa, the UFC had guys like Chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, and Anderson Silva, not to forget the always eloquent Chael Sonnen to sell the UFC to people.

Chael Sonnen alone has enough mic skills to challenge anyone in the current WWE.

Sonnen was never much of a real draw, no matter how entertaining his promos were. I will give you Silva but he had the whole crazy KO thing that drew people in.

 

[Jazzy Network]

Backlund was 10 times the athlete the guys I mentioned ever were, and a better amateur, but he wasn't as good at storytelling.



In Punk's era they had two world titles and more opportunities to run with the ball. They would have held the title at least once in the modern environment. (that will change with the reunification of title)

Who really gives a shit about the World Heavyweight Title though? It's today's Intercontinental title. And the mid card titles are a joke at best.

 

[Dr.Acula]

When I watched wrestling as a kid (er... teenager) my friends and I always gravitated towards the not massive guys because they could jump around and fly off the top rope and pull crazy moves. Who wants to see Undertaker stifly walk around the ring for 20 minutes?

And UFC? If you can get a crazy KO or submission out of nowhere, then you're the man.

 

[Sanjuro]

Who really gives a shit about the World Heavyweight Title though?

Black wrestlers.

 

[Moofers]

Listening now but the host going on about how it's free because we would have all stolen it anyway is not setting a great tone. I already want to tell him to fuck off.

 

[kirblar]

Listening now but the host going on about how it's free because we would have all stolen it anyway is not setting a great tone. I already want to tell him to fuck off.

Nah, this is a real thing- you need to make the product something you NEED to see live because you can't afford to miss it - that's something that's not the case right now with the product and without that, the network won't work.

 

[Moofers]

Nah, this is a real thing- you need to make the product something you NEED to see live because you can't afford to miss it - that's something that's not the case right now with the product and without that, the network won't work.

I must have misunderstood then because I thought he was specifically referring to the podcast itself.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Majority of Backlund's reign was when Vince Mcmahon Sr. was in charge. Just a little after Vince Jr. became the owner he transitioned the title away the from Backlund to the Iron Sheik in preparation for Hulk Hogan's reign.

Backlund lost the title in 83 (at the very end of 83, Dec 26th) and Vince bought the WWF in 82. Vince was also chairman of the WWF as far back as 1980. I think it's safe to assume that Vince liked Backlund as champion and if he didn't he would have been able to do something about it before December 1983.

 

[Manbig]

Sounds like you're stuck in the year 2000 when Royce Gracie was still a thing. You need to be skilled and athletic to do damage in MMA. Punk moves slowly and seems weak from the way he performs his moves. Daniel Bryan is small but athletic. Punk doesn't have the body nor the athleticism. Which doesn't mean much in terms of him being a successful wrestler, but I chuckle at his matches when he's booked as some badass instead of as a dirty cheating heel.

Except that it's still happening.

Kevin Gastelum is currently one of the best prospects in the UFC.

This is typically how he looks during a fight (when he's not missing weight):

Mark Hunt, who I shared a picture of earlier, just had a title fight, and has been smoking people that are in way better shape than him. And when he does lose, it's typically not because of his weight.

This isn't just Royce Gracie showing how ignorant the majority of the world was to the world of grappling in 1993. This has been a thing for a long time now, and the mentality that it is unreasonable to believe that a guy Punk's size could beat up 99% of the guys in the WWE is straight up archaic.

Also, even if you still want to believe that he looked like shit, so he should have been held back, the guy brought up in the podcast that he was physically falling apart due to the WWE's lack of giving a shit about his health. If they gave him time to recover and properly train before coming back, then you best believe he would've came back in much better shape.

i just started, 8 and a half minutes into the podcast.......and this guy is STILL trying to sell me his shitty merch. Are you joking?


I am not buying his shit just out principle, i mean 8 minutes, REALLY?

Colt's schtick is to put all of his advertisements in the beginning and ending of his podcast so it doesn't get int he way of the interview. Those first 8+ minutes aren't all advertisements also. He usually talks for a while about life on the rode and shares some words about his guest.

 

[Y2Kev]

Why isn't Bray Wyatt fired then? He doesn't have the look. In fact he is disgusting. That whole group looks like people you would think smell bad.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Why isn't Bray Wyatt fired then? He doesn't have the look. In fact he is disgusting. That whole group looks like people you would think smell bad.

He's over because of his personality, but I do wonder if guys like Wyatt have a ceiling on how far they can go. Will Wyatt ever main event or headline a Wrestlemania? Can Wyatt become a face? Would McMahon and Trips want that? I think that's the issue with Punk. Vince clearly saw value in Punk, and he wouldn't have gone as far as he did if he didn't, but I think Vince is hesitant to make guys like Punk headliners, and does it almost begrudgingly, and when his back is against the wall (like it has been in the last few months because of how terrible the Network has been doing) he would rather cut some shitty, desperation deal with a guy like Brock or Batista over pushing his own in-house, over talent.

 

[Fox318]

Why isn't Bray Wyatt fired then? He doesn't have the look. In fact he is disgusting. That whole group looks like people you would think smell bad.

Wyatt is HHH's pet project

 

[strobogo]

Why isn't Bray Wyatt fired then? He doesn't have the look. In fact he is disgusting. That whole group looks like people you would think smell bad.

Because they are 3 big dudes who look like they can fuck you up and their gimmick its suited to them, unlike Punk who was supposed to be an MMA bad ass but all his strikes looked like shit and he looked like a normal guy who probably runs a few times a week.

 

[Daemul]

Do you think those gullible little kids would buy hundreds of dollars worth of t-shirts across a decade if their hero looked like Bryan, a guy who would never be able to overcome the odds, and by that I mean FU Umaga and Viscera? I guess you already know, but Goldberg was more over with kids than he was with adults, for the same reason: superman. It's on the same vein they're marketing Reigns although he sucks.

Goldberg was a god though

 

[Master Thespian]

Except that it's still happening.

Kevin Gastelum is currently one of the best prospects in the UFC.

This is typically how he looks during a fight (when he's not missing weight):

Mark Hunt, who I shared a picture of earlier, just had a title fight, and has been smoking people that are in way better shape than him. And when he does lose, it's typically not because of his weight.

This isn't just Royce Gracie showing how ignorant the majority of the world was to the world of grappling in 1993. This has been a thing for a long time now, and the mentality that it is unreasonable to believe that a guy Punk's size could beat up 99% of the guys in the WWE is straight up archaic.

Also, even if you still want to believe that he looked like shit, so he should have been held back, the guy brought up in the podcast that he was physically falling apart due to the WWE's lack of giving a shit about his health. If they gave him time to recover and properly train before coming back, then you best believe he would've came back in much better shape.



Colt's schtick is to put all of his advertisements in the beginning and ending of his podcast so it doesn't get int he way of the interview. Those first 8+ minutes aren't all advertisements also. He usually talks for a while about life on the rode and shares some words about his guest.

Physique and athleticism are two different things. Daniel Bryan is a more believable threat than Punk because of the way he *moves*. Punk is probably the third most nonathletic main eventer of the last twenty years behind Mick Foley and Great Khali. I've never seen him do anything impressive physically. Again, I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer. I just don't buy him as an ass kicking face.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Why isn't Bray Wyatt fired then? He doesn't have the look. In fact he is disgusting. That whole group looks like people you would think smell bad.

Mick Foley.

Lots of guys who have no sex appeal can still win the crowd with a great execution of a gimmick

 

[Fox318]

Mick Foley.

Lots of guys who have no sex appeal can still win the crowd with a great execution of a gimmick

He had the look

 

[Manbig]

Physique and athleticism are two different things. Daniel Bryan is a more believable threat than Punk because of the way he *moves*. Punk is probably the third most nonathletic main eventer of the last twenty years behind Mick Foley and Great Khali. I've never seen him do anything impressive physically. Again, I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer. I just don't buy him as an ass kicking face.

Mark Hunt is hardly athletic. Didn't stop him from separating many other fighters from their senses. In fighting, Tactics > Athleticism most of the time. This is why the whole believability argument doesn't hold any water.

I do agree that Punk is a relatively sloppy main event worker though, but that hardly put a dent in how believable he was.

 

[Paracelsus]

Physique and athleticism are two different things. Daniel Bryan is a more believable threat than Punk because of the way he *moves*. Punk is probably the third most nonathletic main eventer of the last twenty years behind Mick Foley and Great Khali. I've never seen him do anything impressive physically. Again, I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer. I just don't buy him as an ass kicking face.

It must be the reason he was the last wrestler to give John Cena a 5-star match, other than the last wrestler to give Undertaker a good wrestlemania match after the two HHH duds.

 

[Master Thespian]

Mark Hunt is hardly athletic. Didn't stop him from separating many other fighters from their senses. In fighting, Tactics > Athleticism most of the time. This is why the whole believability argument doesn't hold any water.

I do agree that Punk is a relatively sloppy main event worker though, but that hardly put a dent in how believable he was.

Horseshit. Mark Hunt is as strong as a goddamn ox. Punk is weak and slow. When skill and tactics are relatively equal, athleticism takes over. Do you think Brock's skill or game planning level was higher than Frank Mir's? Your best argument for someone doing well with a lack of athleticism is Funky Ben but he's not at the top of the food chain.

You believe Punk's in ring character, I don't. C'est la vie.

 

[DoktorEvil]

He had the look

That's not the Mick Foley WCW and ECW wheeled out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bd/Foley_Ear_Injury.jpg/220px-Foley_Ear_Injury.jpg

I still remember his feud with Sabu in ECW.

Edit: NSFW. Graphic content.

 

[RandyBobandy]

Physique and athleticism are two different things. Daniel Bryan is a more believable threat than Punk because of the way he *moves*. Punk is probably the third most nonathletic main eventer of the last twenty years behind Mick Foley and Great Khali. I've never seen him do anything impressive physically. Again, I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer. I just don't buy him as an ass kicking face.

Height factors in to it too. Bryan is a midget. Also a terrible promo

He's been employed how many years and he still can't not smirk when cutting a promo

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Undertaker hasn't been believable either for over a decade if we're going to go down that route. Walks like he's bound together by sticks and gaffer tape, withered as fuck. He's still tall, he's savvy enough to know how to get carried by a good worker but otherwise looks every inch a 60-odd year old man who happens to stil, be in his 40s. Michaels, Punk are responsible for the best matches he ever had at Wrestlemania - way past his best - and that's testament to their ability. Put him in with a mediocre worker like HHH and you have to go to the next level with gimmickry to get something passable.

Speaking of Michaels, there's another one who could never be brought as a believable "ass kicker" at a glance but his work somehow transcended that.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Undertaker hasn't been believable either for over a decade if we're going to go down that route. Walks like he's bound together by sticks and gaffer tape, withered as fuck. He's still tall, he's savvy enough to know how to get carried by a good worker but otherwise looks every inch a 60-odd year old man who happens to stil, be in his 40s. Michaels, Punk are responsible for the best matches he ever had at Wrestlemania - way past his best - and that's testament to their ability. Put him in with a mediocre worker like HHH and you have to go to the next level with gimmickry to get something passable.

Speaking of Michaels, there's another one who could never be brought as a believable "ass kicker" at a glance but his work somehow transcended that.

I thought HHH and UT put on a good match at WM 17 one of the reasons there was some hype for the match after Sean Michaels matches.

 

[Manbig]

Horseshit. Mark Hunt is as strong as a goddamn ox. Punk is weak and slow. When skill and tactics are relatively equal, athleticism takes over. Do you think Brock's skill or game planning level was higher than Frank Mir's? Your best argument for someone doing well with a lack of athleticism is Funky Ben but he's not at the top of the food chain.

You believe Punk's in ring character, I don't. C'est la vie.

I don't believe Punk's in ring character. I just believe that a person that size has a much better chance than some people seem to think at winning out in a fight.

Also, no shit the more athletic person will probably edge out a win in a situation where both fighters are equal in tactics. That's hardly a realistic situation since fight IQ varies greatly between fighters. Of fucking course Mark Hunt is strong as an ox, but do you think that WWE would get behind a guy that looks like that unless they find a way to forcefully break through their glass ceiling?

Punk's whole point here is that mentality that WWE has programed everyone to believe is bullshit and the fact that people still choose to believe them makes them feel far more comfortable in continuing to peddle that bullshit to try to hold people back. All of those examples that they like to bring up of guys that went over despite their size is straight up Kool Aid.

Mysterio wouldn't have had the title run if Eddie didn't die.

Benoit was a transitional champion that was buddies with Triple H and since Eddie was champ, they wanted to give Benoit and Eddie that Wrestlemania moment that they would now rather erase from history.

Bret Hart and HBK (outside of Undertaker) were pretty much all that was left after Hall and Nash jumped ship. Plus Hart's run really only picked up steam after the steroid scandal, and even then he still got fucked over by Hogan in 93.

Mick Foley had to damn near kill himself, and STILL the only reason that they gave him his runs is because they needed someone to prep Rock for Steve Austin before he came back from injury. Foley pretty much admits to this himself during his most recent documentary.

The only smaller guys that I can really think of that got there without a ton of BS were Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle.

 

[Master Thespian]

Undertaker hasn't been believable either for over a decade if we're going to go down that route. Walks like he's bound together by sticks and gaffer tape, withered as fuck. He's still tall, he's savvy enough to know how to get carried by a good worker but otherwise looks every inch a 60-odd year old man who happens to stil, be in his 40s. Michaels, Punk are responsible for the best matches he ever had at Wrestlemania - way past his best - and that's testament to their ability. Put him in with a mediocre worker like HHH and you have to go to the next level with gimmickry to get something passable.

Speaking of Michaels, there's another one who could never be brought as a believable "ass kicker" at a glance but his work somehow transcended that.

HBK was fast as hell. Even so, he never worked his matches like an ass kicking face. I keep saying I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer but I'm not a fan of his in ring persona. I don't think Punk is fit to be "the guy" and all anyone can do is point to guys who weren't the guy or guys that they tried to make the guy and no one bought it. Hopefully he comes back to main event WM32 and carries Austin to a good match and Austin carries him to a huge buyrate. Everyone can go home happy.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Kurt Angle was around CM Punk's size (he was about an inch shorter and weighed about the same) before he went and really roided up and nobody thought it wasn't believable that he wouldn't be able to beat Undertaker or Hogan.

Of course there is that famous story where they suggested he be champ in a booking meeting and Triple H said he wasn't big enough to be a believable champ and someone said "Could you beat him in a fight?" and he sat down.

 

[Manbig]

HBK was fast as hell. Even so, he never worked his matches like an ass kicking face. I keep saying I'm fine with Punk as a main eventer but I'm not a fan of his in ring persona. I don't think Punk is fit to be "the guy" and all anyone can do is point to guys who weren't the guy or guys that they tried to make the guy and no one bought it. Hopefully he comes back to main event WM32 and carries Austin to a good match and Austin carries him to a huge buyrate. Everyone can go home happy.

He wasn't booked like an ass kicking machine. He just talked like he was. When he was face, he was booked more like Super Cena Lite. It was similar to Dolph Ziggler's recent booking, except with higher profile wins.

You talk as if he was ECW Kurt Angle. He was nowhere near that.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Of course there is that famous story where they suggested he be champ in a booking meeting and Triple H said he wasn't big enough to be a believable champ and someone said "Could you beat him in a fight?" and he sat down.

Trips sure has a tendency of getting told and shutting up.

Punk: "Why should I take a drug test?"
HHH: "Everyone takes the drug test"
Punk: "Did you take it?"
HHH: **sits down**

 

[Hasney]

Kurt Angle was around CM Punk's size (he was about an inch shorter and weighed about the same) before he went and really roided up and nobody thought it wasn't believable that he wouldn't be able to beat Undertaker or Hogan.

Of course there is that famous story where they suggested he be champ in a booking meeting and Triple H said he wasn't big enough to be a believable champ and someone said "Could you beat him in a fight?" and he sat down.

Never heard that one before. HHH couldn't be that stupid, surely, considering everyone knew he won a gold medal by doing that thing called wrestling

Spoiler

with a broken freaking neck

.

 

[fader]

Kurt Angle was around CM Punk's size (he was about an inch shorter and weighed about the same) before he went and really roided up and nobody thought it wasn't believable that he wouldn't be able to beat Undertaker or Hogan.

Of course there is that famous story where they suggested he be champ in a booking meeting and Triple H said he wasn't big enough to be a believable champ and someone said "Could you beat him in a fight?" and he sat down.

ohh yeaa i remember that. His name is on the top of my tongue.. It was an old school booker too.

Height factors in to it too. Bryan is a midget. Also a terrible promo

He's been employed how many years and he still can't not smirk when cutting a promo

He's a laid back guy it's just natural for him to smirk while cutting a promo i don't think someone smiling while doing a promo affects their overall ability and hes not a "bad" promo, WWE just needs to stop putting him in these long goofy promo segments.

 

[Y2Kev]

Because they are 3 big dudes who look like they can fuck you up and their gimmick its suited to them, unlike Punk who was supposed to be an MMA bad ass but all his strikes looked like shit and he looked like a normal guy who probably runs a few times a week.

bray doesn't look imposing. he looks like he needs a shower.

i could see it with the one that wears the one piece jumpsuit but the other one just looks dirty. i change the channel when he comes on the tv. him and the miz should fall into a black hole.

i'm hesitant to believe punk, especially vs. hhh. hhh has an ego, but it seems mostly justified (he was awesome for 15+ years) and he seems to put on a good product when he is in charge. punk seems like that person who corrects your grammar in real life when you say "i'm doing good".

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Trips sure has a tendency of getting told and shutting up.

Punk: "Why should I take a drug test?"
HHH: "Everyone takes the drug test"
Punk: "Did you take it?"
HHH: **sits down**

Scott Steiner claims he pulled that on him too. He said that he would take a drug test if HHH took it with him and they never made him take a drug test.

 

[Buckethead]

Punk is around the perfect size for me.

Big dudes can do a lot of power moves but can't do a lot more. Sting has a bigger frame than Punk but a dude with a certain level of power but also agility is the whole package.
I don't care as long as they are good on the mic, have an interesting gimmick, and aren't constantly put in matches with dudes 1.5-2x their size.

It's all about how you craft the illusion.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

bray doesn't look imposing. he looks like he needs a shower.

i could see it with the one that wears the one piece jumpsuit but the other one just looks dirty. i change the channel when he comes on the tv. him and the miz should fall into a black hole.

i'm hesitant to believe punk, especially vs. hhh. hhh has an ego, but it seems mostly justified (he was awesome for 15+ years) and he seems to put on a good product when he is in charge. punk seems like that person who corrects your grammar in real life when you say "i'm doing good".

Bray looks like someone who'd beat the crap out of you in a bar. He looks imposing in the way wrestlers used to look imposing. Guys like Arn Anderson and Harley Race weren't bodybuilders, but they look like they'd be able to handle themselves in a scrap.

 

[Y2Kev]

Arn Anderson looks like a bad ass. Dude looked like he was made of steel. And he most certainly did not look like this

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Arn Anderson looks like a bad ass. Dude looked like he was made of steel. And he most certainly did not look like this

That guy is 6'5" though. Bray is also 6'3 and nearly 300 lbs. If you were grocery shopping and Bray walked in to the store in regular clothes, he'd probably still turn heads just because he is a big, big man. Punk doesn't have that same look. If you saw him outside of his wrestling gear you might assume he's a tattoo artist or the lead singer of a punk band. Not to say it's right, just that this is the sort of outdated way Vince seems to run things.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I meant to say Ole Anderson. Ole was always a little flabbier than Arn.

That is an exceptionally bad picture of Bray Wyatt though.

 

[Y2Kev]

I get that Vince likes big guys. Under HHH's time we've also seen some successful small guys. But I never thought vince was into guys that look so out of shape. punk looked fat too tho

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I get that Vince likes big guys. Under HHH's time we've also seen some successful small guys. But I never thought vince was into guys that look so out of shape. punk looked fat too tho

I think size is also just mass though. Vince has had a hard-on for Big Show and Mark Henry for years and they aren't cut up and ripped, but they are huge. I think Bray and guys like Harper fall into that camp. Vince likes the side-show look at much as he likes the bodybuilder looks.