You got better without all those excessive specials.
Anyone else up for some last minute 1v1s before I head to bed?
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You got better without all those excessive specials.
Anyone else up for some last minute 1v1s before I head to bed?
Yeah, I still have to figure out all the little details and techniques. Thanks for the practice!You got better without all those excessive specials.
Anyone else up for some last minute 1v1s before I head to bed?
You got better without all those excessive specials.
Anyone else up for some last minute 1v1s before I head to bed?
I do. Hopefully I don't disconnect.
LiquidSword
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I'm down I added you already I thinkYou got better without all those excessive specials.
Anyone else up for some last minute 1v1s before I head to bed?
I guess Feltrol won. I'll play him first, then later if you're still around or if its not too late I'll play you Liquid.
Next time we play, I'll not use Robin as he's my main and I know him too well to be of any use in learning lol.
I'll stick with Palutena since I know next to nothing about her but enjoy her playstyle.
Next time we play, I'll not use Robin as he's my main and I know him too well to be of any use in learning lol.
I'll stick with Palutena since I know next to nothing about her but enjoy her playstyle.
dragonlife
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GGs, everyone. I had a lot of fun.
Barrel Baptism for stage of the year.
Barrel Baptism for stage of the year.
Welp, I guess that was you DCing Feltrol?
Yes. I played some For Fun matches without problem, but once I changed it DCs again.
Sorry, Vena. Thank you for taking your time with me...
Welp, I guess that was you DCing Feltrol?
Liquid, if you're still around, room's open!
No worries, fix your interwebs!
Liquid, if you're still around, room's open!
No worries, fix your interwebs!
Karsticles
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For me, it's Megaman. His fsmash always hits me just at the wrong time. -_-
I'm on it! I want to beat your Robin.
I guess Feltrol won. I'll play him first, then later if you're still around or if its not too late I'll play you Liquid.
Next time we play, I'll not use Robin as he's my main and I know him too well to be of any use in learning lol.
I'll stick with Palutena since I know next to nothing about her but enjoy her playstyle.
lmao could've fooled me. I don't really know anything about the advanced stuff like invincibility frames, lag and proper blocking/dodging. I should probably practice that stuff on high level CPUs though that hasn't been working out too well for me so far. Landing lag is a lot more noticeable with human opponents.
I get that but on 3DS you just have to change it once and it becomes default. Why allow so many different controllers and then not be able to set a default control scheme. Seems silly.
Well the room is open if you want to try again, I'm just sitting around waiting for someone to show up.
For Falcon, if I remember, you have:
back aerial or bair - lagless
up air or uair - lagless
That means that using those moves allows you to immediately follow into another move when you touch the ground. Conversely, your down air (dair) and forward air (fair) are very laggy moves and end up with a lot of frames spent getting up or righting yourself when you hit the ground. So, usually, the idea is to use bair or uair whenever possible and if you think it will lead into something on the ground. dair and fair are only for when you know you will score a hit and have to weigh that chance accordingly since they are very strong moves but with a long lag time. Falcon's special are all very laggy but Raptor Boost is a very strong KO move, and I'd only recommend using it at high percents to avoid it getting stale. (Overusing a move weakens it with time until you lose a stock.)
If you saw, I kept jumping only slightly off the ground and using my fair and uair with Robin. That's because those moves, for him, are lagless and I can keep jumping at you with them and then lead into something else immediately (like the fire spell). That's called an approach, and its a big part of the game and learning how to do it safely is important since its basically what starts any encounter.
Throws are another approach but if you miss, obviously, you lagg a lot.
Well the room is open if you want to try again, I'm just sitting around waiting for someone to show up.
I would like to, but I turned off the console some time ago.
Besides, it would be too embarrassing for me to DC again!
Alrighty.
Goodnight!
D
Deleted member 1235
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wheres the best resource to start learning the smash systems? i used to be ok at melee in my circle of friends but online thats not gonna cut it. i need to learn good block/grab skills etc and the terminology some of you are tossing around 
GodParticle
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Ok, now I get why I never understood. Once you pick your character, it covers most of the random box with the start banner and I didn't realize that you could hit the edge of the box to grab the selection icon >_<
wheres the best resource to start learning the smash systems? i used to be ok at melee in my circle of friends but online thats not gonna cut it. i need to learn good block/grab skills etc and the terminology some of you are tossing around
Well, that depends. I like to play Smash, but I'm not into the very competitive side of it, so it's not all necessary - in my opinion. The ones you're referring to might be some advanced techniques.
Focus on the others you mentioned first, especially blocking.
D
Deleted member 1235
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i dont want to compete, just not get slaughtered online, so need to learn the systems a little better
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Fucking FINALLY.
Glad I never have to do that again. AND that I didn't need to use a hammer!
RomanceDawn
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Hey man really fun! Your Ness isn't bad at all, though I have a feeling the DK matchup was a little new to you. The thing about PK fire on DK and Bowser is that their upB can save them from it sometimes. So I had a bit of a advantage there.
That first Jr VS Ness match threw me for a loop, hahaha. I know you could bat the cannon balls but I still wasn't prepared for it.
GGs play you soon.
Good games, RomanceDawn! All the beating up on Nabbit cracked me up. You're really good -- I especially like your Bowser. We'll have to play again sometime!
Yeah, I have no idea how to play those matchups. Most of my practice is either in For Glory or locally, and I don't see those characters often in either circumstance. Hopefully I'll get better though!
Yeah, I have no idea how to play those matchups. Most of my practice is either in For Glory or locally, and I don't see those characters often in either circumstance. Hopefully I'll get better though!
Karsticles
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What gear setup did you use, and how did you reliably take down the hands?
Fucking FINALLY.
Glad I never have to do that again. AND that I didn't need to use a hammer!
First of all: Blocking/Dodging. Even if you don't have a great offense just yet, having a good defense always comes in handy!
I barely grab my opponents, mostly because I like to play aggresively. Oh, talking about that, defining your playstyle is important! Experiment and try to find one that suits you the most.
While I don't use the grabbing techniques, others may use them quite a lot. After all, it's where they decided to focus on.
Congratulations!
Mind if I ask, but where did you use your hammer?
Well the room is open if you want to try again, I'm just sitting around waiting for someone to show up.
For Falcon, if I remember, you have:
back aerial or bair - lagless
up air or uair - lagless
That means that using those moves allows you to immediately follow into another move when you touch the ground. Conversely, your down air (dair) and forward air (fair) are very laggy moves and end up with a lot of frames spent getting up or righting yourself when you hit the ground. So, usually, the idea is to use bair or uair whenever possible and if you think it will lead into something on the ground. dair and fair are only for when you know you will score a hit and have to weigh that chance accordingly since they are very strong moves but with a long lag time. Falcon's special are all very laggy but Raptor Boost is a very strong KO move, and I'd only recommend using it at high percents to avoid it getting stale. (Overusing a move weakens it with time until you lose a stock.)
If you saw, I kept jumping only slightly off the ground and using my fair and uair with Robin. That's because those moves, for him, are lagless and I can keep jumping at you with them and then lead into something else immediately (like the fire spell). That's called an approach, and its a big part of the game and learning how to do it safely is important since its basically what starts any encounter.
Throws are another approach but if you miss, obviously, you lagg a lot.
Thanks, this is actually really helpful. I wish I could use throws more often during a match, my reflexes and timing are terrible and I almost always miss. I also have an issue with controlling my character's movement in general. I'm always missing aerial attacks and land facing the wrong way haha.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Shoes that equipped me with a homerun bat, a badge that upped the power of the bat, and the Vampire Brawn Badge, for health reasons. I spend the penultimate match letting myself get hit above 100% to start with a decent amount of health for the Hands.
I had no trouble with the hands as I've done Classic 8.0 countless times and I can pretty much read their attacks flawlessly by now. I went in with like 200HP or something and won the battle with 140 left, haha
Also, throwing the bat at a hand takes off quite some HP, IIRC.
Geminosity
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So, after some 5,4, 3 and 2 player matches, I've confirmed my suspicions about my Zelda vs Palutena play: My Palutena is fairly competent in 1v1s but struggles a lot more when you add extra players. Meanwhile, the minute you add an extra player my Zelda oddly goes from 'sorta ok' to becoming an unstoppable force of nature. It's bizarre but she just seems to thrive when there's multiple opponents.
I was getting multi-KOs off well-placed dinns fire, hitting people on both the entry and exit animations of teleport, reflecting other people's projectiles into others and other kinds of crowd-slaying action
After a while my Robin was also declared the 'extra stage hazard' due to frequently well-sniped Thoron shots cleanly-hitting pretty much everyone onstage despite their best efforts to evade or shield it
On the other side of the coin, my ZSS is a walking suicide at best once you add extra players. She's not a character I'm all that good at 1v1 but in the chaos of extra players my habit of accidentally flinging myself off the level only seems to increase a hundred-fold XD
Likewise, my Lucina on wii-u, especially with extra players just saddens me. I oddly feel less competent with her on Wii-U than I did on 3DS and I haven't the foggiest why
Also, despite doing reasonably well with Rosalina in multi, there's rarely a point in the fight where luma isn't dead :/
My most pleasant surprise is how fun my Mawile mii brawler is. I'm still teething, trying to work out which specials to use, but regardless of setup it's still pretty fun. I need to learn to ease off on the specials with her but I can see myself setting her up on my 3DS so I can take her round to friend's houses
Right now she's rocking:
* piston punch (I get a lot of KOs with this and it feels like the best recovery of the 3 to me)
* ultimate uppercut (such a good punish/'counter' and super satisfying to land when someone's silly enough to leave themselves open for it :3)
* burning dropkick (I'm torn between this and assault as assault not only has good KO power but also sets up for a piston punch follow up, but I find this to be a bit more reliable as assault sometimes just doesn't work correctly, especially in the air)
* feint kick (awesome recovery move and mobility option in general :3 )
Anyone else fiddling with the mii brawler, or even the mii gunner (Mine is iron man )? What kind of layouts do people find useful for them?
I was getting multi-KOs off well-placed dinns fire, hitting people on both the entry and exit animations of teleport, reflecting other people's projectiles into others and other kinds of crowd-slaying action
After a while my Robin was also declared the 'extra stage hazard' due to frequently well-sniped Thoron shots cleanly-hitting pretty much everyone onstage despite their best efforts to evade or shield it
On the other side of the coin, my ZSS is a walking suicide at best once you add extra players. She's not a character I'm all that good at 1v1 but in the chaos of extra players my habit of accidentally flinging myself off the level only seems to increase a hundred-fold XD
Likewise, my Lucina on wii-u, especially with extra players just saddens me. I oddly feel less competent with her on Wii-U than I did on 3DS and I haven't the foggiest why
Also, despite doing reasonably well with Rosalina in multi, there's rarely a point in the fight where luma isn't dead :/
My most pleasant surprise is how fun my Mawile mii brawler is. I'm still teething, trying to work out which specials to use, but regardless of setup it's still pretty fun. I need to learn to ease off on the specials with her but I can see myself setting her up on my 3DS so I can take her round to friend's houses
Right now she's rocking:
* piston punch (I get a lot of KOs with this and it feels like the best recovery of the 3 to me)
* ultimate uppercut (such a good punish/'counter' and super satisfying to land when someone's silly enough to leave themselves open for it :3)
* burning dropkick (I'm torn between this and assault as assault not only has good KO power but also sets up for a piston punch follow up, but I find this to be a bit more reliable as assault sometimes just doesn't work correctly, especially in the air)
* feint kick (awesome recovery move and mobility option in general :3 )
Anyone else fiddling with the mii brawler, or even the mii gunner (Mine is iron man
)? What kind of layouts do people find useful for them?
Fucking FINALLY.
Glad I never have to do that again. AND that I didn't need to use a hammer!
Haha, is that the smash tour metroid block near the bottom?
You'll have to fight my noob attempts at Palutena!
Falcon is incredibly fast and slides a lot on grabs, so keep that in mind. You may not be messing up as much as Falcon is just really, really fast, lol.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Clear All-Star with everyone on Hard.
Clearing it with eight characters was tedious enough, haha.
KLatin Scelus
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Shoes that equipped me with a homerun bat, a badge that upped the power of the bat and the Vampire Brawn Badge, for health reasons. I spend the penultimate match letting myself get hit above 100% to start enough with a decent amount of health for the Hands.
I had no trouble with the hands as I've done Classic 8.0 countless times and I can pretty much read their attacks flawlessly by now. I went in with like 200HP or something and won the battle with 140 left, haha
Also, throwing the bat at a hand takes off quite some HP, IIRC.
IIIII knew it!
I also equiped my Mario with the crouch healing item.
Is it even possible to complete this challenge without the bat?
Dimitri LH
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I think I just found the counter to my wii fit trainer.......mother fucking yoshi. Good God, I have a hard time going in to land good hits. And he can zone me out well with eggs. Only match up where im forced to try and zone him out with WFT projectile, but yoshi is faster and more effective at it. And most of his attack hitboxes out reach/beat mines and hes fast to boot. Most I can do is force him to come in close and perfect shield everything. Cusin whooped my ass.....but atleast I can keep playing with him to learn how to beat yoshi.
Any tips from my fellow smash gaffers? Again this a WFT vs Yoshi advice im askin for, I do well with my other mains vs the reptile.
Any tips from my fellow smash gaffers? Again this a WFT vs Yoshi advice im askin for, I do well with my other mains vs the reptile.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Nope, pretty much all the Smash Tour challenges are still open
I really dislike that mode.EDIT: Oh wait, the open one? Yup, that's it.
Theoretically, yes. In practice, I doubt it.
Karsticles
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I can handle the two hands fine, but add in another two minions and I struggle. :/Shoes that equipped me with a homerun bat, a badge that upped the power of the bat, and the Vampire Brawn Badge, for health reasons. I spend the penultimate match letting myself get hit above 100% to start with a decent amount of health for the Hands.
I had no trouble with the hands as I've done Classic 8.0 countless times and I can pretty much read their attacks flawlessly by now. I went in with like 200HP or something and won the battle with 140 left, haha
Also, throwing the bat at a hand takes off quite some HP, IIRC.
By upping the power of the bat, do you mean reduce its startup?
I might have to make a Mario from my 3DS...
If you start Smash Tour, it autoplays if you leave it alone. I just pick up the controller when a boss appears to get the challenge done, etc.
Fuck all that recovery frame talk, you pump out those knees man. You're mother fucking captain falcon, you either swag out or go home.
KLatin Scelus
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I like that touch, giving the hands a minion or two.
Annoying as hell to fight though.
Seriously, this game's difficulty is beyond anything I've faced in Brawl...besides Subspace Emissary on Intense.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
I pretty much ignored the minions, LOL. Really, just focus on not getting bitchslapped by the hands and getting your hits in.
And no, I can't check right now, but it was a badge that made melee items stronger (bat, flower stick, etc.)
Granted, I've only played six or seven matches of the mode so far, but I have yet even to come across a boss character or anything. I don't even truly understand the mode yet, LOL. I have no idea what the checkpoints are for, etc. It's probably the last thing I'll dive into.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
2 left for All Star Hard; Megaman seems like the hardest for me since his Fsmash lacks damage and killing power, his Upsmash hitbox sucks and his Downsmash has a huge amount of lag. Any tips?
Geminosity
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lol, sure. I seem to be getting a lot of requests for Palutena battles recently XD
Has anyone found an easy way to walk at full speed quickly? I only seem to be able to do it by easing into it, else I get a dash, but to approach properly with Lucina I feel I need to be able to get to top walking speed immediately: it helps a lot against projectile characters as her jab and forward tilt clank or beat most projectiles.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
I attempted it with him and I got surprisingly far by throwing a lot.
HypnoDarkrai
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I found the KO 8 in Cruel Smash challenge easier with Shulk.
I've used Link as my main ever since SB64 so yeah, Falcon is a teeny bit fast for me. Link always worked for me when I was facing my less-than-amazing friends in 64 and Brawl, but he just isn't cutting it this time around
Though I realize now the problem is more to do with my skill rather than the character I'm using.Mirror matches are just good practice, but it will have to be a later date. I need to be in bed!
I've used Link as my main ever since SB64 so yeah, Falcon is a teeny bit fast for me. Link always worked for me when I was facing my less-than-amazing friends in 64 and Brawl, but he just isn't cutting it this time around
Link's actually pretty good in this game. I can show you some of his tricks but I'm not very good with him.
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