UnforgivenTwin
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Because Mark Hamill is short. That's all it boils down to lol.
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Well that, and that it was an attempt at humor.
UnforgivenTwin
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Well yeah of course
rokkerkory
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one person and we didn't know if she really really had the force?
SCULLIBUNDO
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There was also one time Daisy Ridley dressed up as Mystique from X-Men
Um...
Colbert stealing from GAF now?
yes, you'd cut the metal pipe around the laser blade, but you wouldn't be able to cross the laser blade within. I don't care if the metal falls off after having blocked a few hits
metal protects your hands, crystal emits blade, prism thingy extends blade as a crossguard (if triggered), blades within metal hilt block hits.
that's how i would imagine it working.
Impossible, he's got a two weeks jump on us.
unholyrevenger72
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In both case they'd be wrong, unless the metal is lightsaber proof, Phrik. The Magnetic stabilizing coil, the thing that creates the magnetic field that holds in all that super heated plasma, would be damaged.
Cortosis or Mandalorian iron work too. And considering the crossblades are short, you probably don't need a very large magnetic field for the sideguards, so they could be small and those pictures would still work.
chicko1983
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Now I am at home and no longer have to look for it stealthy at work...
The scenes with Biggs and Luke on Tatooine are not on the cuts of the film before the 1997 special edition releases, as far as I can find.
The scenes were never in the VHS copies of the film I had, and watched a billion times, or in the versions which were shown on tv prior to 1997. I never saw them until mid 2000s after someone showed me the special editions. Apparently the scenes were in some books which is why some people knew about before they were released in 1997.
I asked my mate about the scenes and he told me that there was an international version and US version of the film, we got the international version of the film which did not contain the scenes with Biggs and Luke talking about the Imperial Academy. It turns out my mate was wrong about there being an international version, but there were plenty of versions released prior to 1997 which never had the scenes with Biggs and Luke,despite what you think. If you only watched Star Wars on VHS tapes, like I did, then you would have never seen the Biggs and Luke Tatooine sceens on that New Hope tape.
Now, there was a scene in edits prior to 1997 where Luke mentions going to an academy. He is talking to Uncle Owen, but it is never clear what Academy Luke is talking about unless you read the books (which not everyone has). He does not say "Imperial" or "Republic" or "Alliance", or anything else before mentioning "the Academy". When you watch the films before 1997, you have to assume he means some sort of pilot academy seeing as he likes flying.
Here is what I am talking about from IMDB:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/faq#.2.1.3
To add to the above, Star Wars Rebels is a recent tv show which myself and many other of my contemporary Star Wars fans have never seen. Most fans of my ilk are older than 30, so even though they are massive Star Wars fans, and have been since they were children, they may not have time these days to sit down and watch Star Wars cartoons (I know I dont). Hard to imagine that eh?
So a lot of people would not be "beat over the head" that these stormtroopers are no longer clones.
For a lot of people who have had the same level of exposure to Star Wars as myself (i.e. the original trilogy on VHS, then the prequels and pretty much nothing else) it comes as a surprise that they are going changing what stormtroopers are once again: from being a completely unknown/uncertain type of being in the original trilogy (which made them cool) to being clones in the prequels and now to being ordinary humans.
Unless they give a reason in this film why humans are now stormtroopers and not clones, there will be a lot of fans my age and older who will be confused.
I'm not saying I am personally confused, as I have looked into it and found out about Rebels and the recruiting of humans as stormtroopers, but there will be friends of mine who go watch this film who have not read or heard about this change in stormtrooper selection policy. Do they just have to assume that what they were told in the prequels is now no longer true? Why would they?
Yes.
You are.
Screenwriting 101. C'mon. Don't try to teach from classes you haven't passed yet. Or hell...
...even taken.
You know you are right on the internet when the person you are disagreeing with what you say has to resort to reposting your avatar as a reason to why they disagree with your argument.....
The Real Abed
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Because it is obvious when watching the Original Trilogy. Boba Fett has the clone voice. None of the stormtroopers do. All the stormtroopers have unique different sounding voices. The stormtroopers are of varying heights.
In the prequels Clonetroopers have the exact same voice and the exact same build and height. In the original trilogy Stormtroopers have varying different voices and vary in height and build.
It is clear they are not clones. And soon as you see Boyega it is obvious that Stormtroopers are not clones as well. They don't need to stop and discuss it when its apparent just from watching the scenes and seeing non-clone like builds in the original and non-clone faces in Force Awakens.
Also you are saying because it wasn't in the pre-97 cuts it needs to be explained? You do realize that nearly every single person who has seen A New Hope has seen the the SE by now. It's the only single version on DVD or on Bluray. The SE release was a huge hit in theaters as well. You are reeeaaaaaallly stretching if you think Lucasfilm needs to explain to people who only saw the old pre-97 SE. That number of people extremely small.
So to sum it up a small detail that is explained in the 97 SE of A New Hope that nearly everyone has seen, and also in Rebels, as well as can be determined by just looking at stormtroopers.....still needs to be explained for the what, 1% of the audience who has seen the originals but NOT the SE's. If you think there is a lot of people who saw Star Wars and liked it but never once went and saw the SE's or watched it on DVD or on Bluray or watched it even once on TV post 1997....that is just not true at all.
That makes no sense at all. If you think there are many people out there who have only seen the originals and not the SE you are very very very wrong.
I mean what you are saying is because you watched Star Wars only on VHS, never on any modern format for the past 20 years and don't have time to watch Rebels but care about these details despite putting in no attempt to really keep up with Star Wars film releases or shows you require a scene just for you and the 5 other people in the world who fit this niche. That is absurd.
Not to make a 3rd topic, but how do you feel on the Prequel Trilogy's Music?
I think alot of it was quite good ad it seemed like John Williams understood the plot more than Lucas did since his music was still pretty good.
I'm quite partial to a bit of Across The Stars, Battle of The Heroes.
Your thoughts?
Exactly. The music was good, the actors were mostly fine, just someone
messed up.
Also, I never thought Stormtroopers were clones when I watched the originals because they seemed like they had some sort of personalities and individuality.
Also, Keira > Natalie.
Come at me, bros!
I think alot of it was quite good ad it seemed like John Williams understood the plot more than Lucas did since his music was still pretty good.
I'm quite partial to a bit of Across The Stars, Battle of The Heroes.
Your thoughts?
Exactly. The music was good, the actors were mostly fine, just someone
Lucas
Also, I never thought Stormtroopers were clones when I watched the originals because they seemed like they had some sort of personalities and individuality.
Also, Keira > Natalie.
Portman is the true handmaiden and took the throne from Knightley!
BocoDragon
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New Star Wars is like new Final Fantasy.... the music is the only thing that didn't fall off, and actually got better.
Ben Burrt's sound design was to notch too. Pod Racer sounds and the like are iconic despite the films.
BocoDragon
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I'd be down with that. They did reprise it in Episode II .... and III, right? It's been awhile.
chicko1983
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No, you are very wrong (again). It's not a small amount of people, it's quite a few sort of my age (31) and older.
When the special editions were released, they were very expensive at the time and not easy to initially find (in Australia at least anyway). Add to that, the people who did buy it complained about spending all this money only for 10mins or so of special effects. For a lot of fans I knew, the special editions were not worth spending the money on and over the years, as the prequels followed, the fans I grew up with's interest in Star Wars has died out to the point that they have never seen the special editions despite watching the prequels.
My brothers are older than me and were all massive Star Wars fans, hence why I am. None of them have seen the special editions. Lots of my friends I went to high school and university with (late 90s to mid 2000s), and even ended up going to watch the prequels at movie theatres with, had never seen the Biggs scenes or the special editions.
And even if they did see the special edition scene with Biggs, Luke is talking about the imperial academy but not saying he wants to be a stormtrooper or that stormtroopers are humans. For all we know he could be going to the academy to be an officer, which were humans on the imperial ships.
I don't know if you can remember just when attack of the clones was released and the massive amounts of confusion that immediately followed from the older fans about what the hell were the stormtroopers in the OT - they were different height and had different voices. Straight after the film, my friends and I were discussing it in a bar. We reasoned, for lack of any other reason given in the film we had just seen, that they were different in the OT because of special effect limiting factors and it must have been George Lucas' the intention that he wanted them to be clones in the OT as well. You have to think that two hours before we had seen the movie and had that conversation, no one in the group of fans could definitively say what a stormtrooper was.
It's taken animated series and books released since 2002 (when attack of the clones was released) to better explain why the OT stormtroopers look and sound unique and are not the clones from attack of the clones. You have to appreciate tha many older fans have not seen these shows or read these books.
If you can tell me where it was explained prior to 2005 (when the final prequel was released) in any form of canon media, that stormtroopers around the time of the OT now include human recruits, I'd like to know where.
You are seriously trying to tell me MASSIVE FANS of the franchise as you call them never once watched the films on DVD, Bluray, or TV one single time in the last 20 years? You claim you and your friends are massive star wars fans but if you have not watched the film on any kind of modern format and never seen the SE even a single time you are not a massive fan. Even the most casual fans have seen one of the SE or post-SE versions of the films.
99.9% of Star Wars "massive fans" have seen the SE and the infamous stuff like Greedo shooting first and the like. You and your friends are the rare exception. Without question.
The SE's are the only way to watch it for years now other than a very rare out of print bonus disk. If you buy it on DVD or Bluray it's the SE(+ other changes).
There is nobody who is going to agree with you on this in this thread man, I am sorry tell you.
This "you gotta understand with older fans" is nonsense. You are literally only 1 single year older than me and you are younger than BobbyRoberts who explained it to you as well. This scenario you create does not match reality. And all the other late 20/30 somethings in this thread I can assure you aren't in a situation where being a massive star wars fans means never having seen the SE, DVD, edits a single time in their lifetime.
Let's start off with the fact that I'm 33.
I don't know in what part of Australia you've lived that made it so hard to find the SE's or what made them so expensive, but here in Holland, the stores were flooded with the SEs. And yes, they were more expensive compred to other movies, but that's capitalism for you. I've smashed a good dime and then some on those tapes, DVDs and BluRays.
I've never encountered anyone who'd consider themselves a MASSIVE fan and not have obtained at LEAST one version of the various SE's that are out there.
Finally; make time for Rebels, it's legit.
chicko1983
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It's been 17 years since I have sat down and watched all three original trilogy films properly, and that was on VHS. I watched the DVD special editions just before the last prequel was released (hence I saw the Biggs scene) but mostly watched it on fast forward until I saw something new. I have never seen them on bluray, and haven't watched them on TV in about 20 years. Yet I would consider myself a fan.
I think you forget how old some of the older fans of Star Wars are. I'm a relative young fan compared to my brothers, their friends and my uncles etc. who would call themselves fans.
But as I said, nowhere even in the special editions, does it say that storm troopers are recruited from humans at the time of A New Hope. This IMPORTANT bit of information is first mentioned after attack of the clones was released to better explain the uniqueness of the OT storm troopers.
However, the clarification I think will be included regarding the stormtroopers is not for the fans that have been keeping up to date, but for the vast majority of people who go see this film. For them, it will be the first bit of Star Wars they have seen since revenge of the sith, where all stormtroopers are clones.
Yea I bet it will be in the opening scroll, something like "30 years has passed since the fall of Emperor Palpatine and the second Death Star, but the Empire reigns formidable through forced conscription, blah blah here's our new adventure and characters..."
They'll have to briefly explain why there's still war in Star Wars
well, this isn't Star Peace. But yeah that is one of the things i am most looking forward to, what the status of the Empire vs. the Rebellion is. I'm thinking that they are both super powers now and are in some kind of cold war with multiple death stars.
chicko1983
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It's not about being a massive fan or not.
My suggestion is actually for the non-massive fans who will go to the movies to see the force awakens: they need to explain why stormtroopers are no longer clones that they were in the prequels.
People in this thread, the ones who are are massive fans, are saying this is obvious to people who will watch the movie but it isn't. It's obvious to people who have watched rebels or clone wars or read some books, but to people whose only Star Wars contact in the last 15 years has been the prequels (and that is the majority of the audience) it is not clear.
I haven't once said they were rare. When the special editions were initially released in Australia, they sold out very quickly. Yeah more came in later, but that was after the initial hype had died down and people realised that it probably wasn't worth the extra money for 10mins more of footage.
soundscream
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Luke wanted to join the imperial academy.
It's not about it being worth 10 minutes of footage. It's about it being the only way to watch the movies the past 15+ years. You had no choice it was the only way to get it on dvd. People don't sit around watching vhs tapes because they aren't worth upgrading.
People didn't realize what you are saying. No fan sat around and decided their old vhs tapes were good enough like you seem to think.
NekoFever
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Didn't Luke want to be a pilot?
I'm not defending the misconception that Stormtroopers are clones because I think it's adequately explained in the movies, but I'm pretty sure Luke never intended to be a Stormtrooper.
soundscream
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Episode 3 pilots were clones
NekoFever
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I don't recall suggesting otherwise.
Pilots were troopers too in the OT. The ones in the black armor.
Clones have a short lifespan, very few of them are left by the time the original trilogy kicks off. This was corroborated by all forms of StarWars media outside the films. It hasn't been retconned because I'm like 99% sure it was mentioned in the CG clone Wars show, which is a part of the new official cannon. The 'modern' storm troopers in the OT were not clones.
soundscream
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There was no standing imperial army in the prequels, and no academy either. The formation of the academy was the result of phasing out the clones. So all parts of the army pilots/troopers would go through the academy.
Patrick Bateman
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They are not troopers, they are pilots.
NekoFever
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They're not Stormtroopers any more than modern fighter pilots are Navy SEALs.
Again, I didn't dispute that. I just said Luke wasn't going to the Academy to become a Stormtrooper.
soundscream
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Yes, but the point I'm making is pilots/troopers were all clones in the prequels. If Luke wants to train to be an imperial pilot, the clones are obviously no longer in action by episode 4.
Exactly
chicko1983
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In the films, special editions included, its unclear what the imperial academy is - for pilots or stormtroopers?
However I agree with NekoFever - I'm pretty sure Luke didn't want to become a stormtrooper.
Initially, it was about it being worth the extra footage. However over time, it's become more about why do I need to buy a DVD of a movie I've seen hundreds of times as a kid.
I know what was said in all the original trilogy films, almost by heart, and never once was anything said about stormtroopers being recruited from humans around the time of A new hope. I've see the Biggs and Luke conversation scene regarding the imperial academy and that still does not suggest to me that stormtroopers are recruited from humans.
Any information that explicitly says stormtroopers have non-cloned humans amongst its ranks has come from sources post 2002, at the earliest. That's all I'm asking you to agree with me on.
NekoFever
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Ah, gotcha. There's plenty of evidence that clones are either gone or in a tiny minority by the time of the OT, but a lot of people seem not to have noticed. The whole reason why they get clones in AOTC is that they don't have an army to fight the Separatists and it would take too long to raise and train up a conventional one.
Did he say imperial in the movie? In that same movie he mentioned hating the empire. He also implies that whatever academy he wanted to go to, Biggs had already attended. There's an unused scene of Luke and Biggs saying farewell on Tatooine with biggs in some sort of uniform. Why would it make sense for Biggs to end up with the rebels days later?
I must have missed or forgotten that he said imperial, but that really confuses me about biggs then.
NekoFever
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Biggs was trained at the Imperial Academy and defected to the Rebels once his training was complete. Or at least that's how it used to be; I'm not sure how deleted scenes stand in the new canon.
chicko1983
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He said imperial in a deleted scene.
He may have said it in a scene added in the special editions.
Pre-97 he definitely did not say imperial.
soundscream
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There was no rebel academy, they were a hodgepodge group. Luke didn't like the empire but he wanted off the damn farm more.
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