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[PHOENIXZERO]

The episode got adjusted up as I thought it would so the final Live+SD rating was a 1.6 with a bit over 4.3M viewers.

Rewatching the episode and had a crazy idea. So we know there are the red and yellow blurs when Barry's mom was killed, indicating that it's Barry and Reverse Flash fighting. How awesome would it be if the season ends with that fight, but Barry saves his mother and then Season 2 is the Arrow/Flashverse version of Flashpoint?

Yeah, that's what I've been expecting (and others too) for awhile. It'll be interesting if they do in fact go that route.

 

[Wiktor]

The episode got adjusted up as I thought it would so the final Live+SD rating was a 1.6 with a bit over 4.3M viewers.



Yeah, that's what I've been expecting (and others too) for awhile. It'll be interesting if they do in fact go that route.

If they do it I doubt it will be anywhere near as radical as flashpoint though. It;s one thing to do crossovers, but whole different thing to bassicaly pause whole Arrow for a year just so Flash side can have it's fun.

 

[Mario007]

"I believe in you Barry!"
*acute feels* Brakes punch
Ollie doesn't die.

Why would Ollie die? Barry doesn't have super strength. He can punch really hard if gets his super speed built up but he certainly didn't in that scene.

 

[Joni]

Why would Ollie die? Barry doesn't have super strength. He can punch really hard if gets his super speed built up but he certainly didn't in that scene.

And Oliver managed to survive getting hit by people like Cyrius Gold.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

The latest Arrow episode cements my opinion that The Flash is the superior show. But Arrow could improve if Oliver lost that shitty attitude and became the cocky Green Arrow we all know and love.

I love how in the promo the

Spoiler

Reverse Flash loooks like something straight out of horror movie.

Then they're doing it right.

At this point the Reverse Flash has been at it for some time so his abilities and skills are superior to Barry's.

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I mean he's even mastered the face vibration obscure thingy.

 

[Skux]

From the promo it looks like

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neither Eddie or Wells is the Yellow Suit Man

.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

If they do it I doubt it will be anywhere near as radical as flashpoint though. It;s one thing to do crossovers, but whole different thing to bassicaly pause whole Arrow for a year just so Flash side can have it's fun.

Of course, I think I already said as much in an earlier post, it'd have to be a lot more contained and relatively minor considering how much things were changed in the original story.

 

[AMUSIX]

Iris's turn against the Flash was incredibly abrupt and really poorly handled.

Yes, Flash just attacked her boyfriend and acted like a maniac right in front of her. But her words, during that attack, were all about how something was wrong with him, that he wasn't fine, that he helps people and wouldn't just turn and hurt someone. Mind you, this is after his full attack (Ollie interrupts what he was about to do right then).

So, from a story-telling point, she goes from the voice of hope and "I know you're a good guy" to "fuck you and your apology, I've lost all faith in you. You're a danger."


Hell, that doesn't even take into account that, at the same time as the attack, her boyfriend is investigating a strange bank robbery where normal people suddenly turned and attacked each other.




Oh, speaking of which, Central City's police department must have a terrible reputation. Their biggest, most dangerous cases go unsolved.

-Team of criminals rob a gun store and attack one of the biggest names in the city. One man is apprehended, rest of the team gets away. Suspect commits suicide in custody, leaving the cases unsolved
-Simon Stagg is murdered....no arrest made
-An entire crime family is murdered...no arrest made
-Team heists an armored truck, man attacks a museum and causes a catastrophic train crash....no arrest made
-Bomber threatens the city, military comes in, massive explosion happens out at sea....no arrest made
-Car thief nearly kills police, attacks an industrial facility....no arrest made
-Victim is found electrocuted, power station is attacked....no arrest made
-Bank robber causes mass anger...no arrest made

As far as the public is concerned, all of these criminals are still at large and still pose a threat to the city. Press conferences should be awesome...."Oh yeah, those five different serial killer cases we had last year? Just forget about them, I'm sure they've worked themselves out."

 

[Selner]

If they do it I doubt it will be anywhere near as radical as flashpoint though. It;s one thing to do crossovers, but whole different thing to bassicaly pause whole Arrow for a year just so Flash side can have it's fun.

They would have to basically "pause" the storylines for both Flash and Arrow for either a whole season or half a season probably.

If Arrow is "Batman with a Bow", then he would probably take the Batman role from Flashpoint. I don't know enough about Arrow to know if that's feasible. Batman does have a pretty significant role in Flashpoint.

Since they probably don't have the rights to use all of the other heroes from Flashpoint, they would need to do a pretty sizeable re-write using the heroes and villans they do have the rights to use.

And it probably wouldn't result in a New 52 type of reboot, so it would probably just be a "normal" alternative reality that returns to the "correct" reality onces things are fixed.

Unless they wanted to use it as an excuse to shake-up the cast and bring in new people.

 

[Vinci]

Flash can only hit his top speeds when he taps into the Speed Force and it appears that in the show, he needs sufficient emotional investment. Even though he was raging in this latest episode, he never appeared to get the Speed Force.

Which is why I'm saying that people are kidding themselves if they think Barry was going flat-out. He dodges bullets. He not only dodges bullets, he catches up to them and deflects them. That means he's easily topping two to four times the speed of sound, never mind the insane reflexes required to navigate sharp turns like he does.

Again, Ollie is awesome. I like him and respect his abilities. But up against some metahumans he would simply be dead if they actually wanted him dead.

Still - good fight, fun to watch. But people need to face facts - inexperience doesn't matter when you can hit someone going anywhere close to mach speeds.

 

[strafer]

will they do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TC5vCyny_U

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Iris's turn against the Flash was incredibly abrupt and really poorly handled.

Yes, Flash just attacked her boyfriend and acted like a maniac right in front of her. But her words, during that attack, were all about how something was wrong with him, that he wasn't fine, that he helps people and wouldn't just turn and hurt someone. Mind you, this is after his full attack (Ollie interrupts what he was about to do right then).

So, from a story-telling point, she goes from the voice of hope and "I know you're a good guy" to "fuck you and your apology, I've lost all faith in you. You're a danger."


Hell, that doesn't even take into account that, at the same time as the attack, her boyfriend is investigating a strange bank robbery where normal people suddenly turned and attacked each other.




Oh, speaking of which, Central City's police department must have a terrible reputation. Their biggest, most dangerous cases go unsolved.

-Team of criminals rob a gun store and attack one of the biggest names in the city. One man is apprehended, rest of the team gets away. Suspect commits suicide in custody, leaving the cases unsolved
-Simon Stagg is murdered....no arrest made
-An entire crime family is murdered...no arrest made
-Team heists an armored truck, man attacks a museum and causes a catastrophic train crash....no arrest made
-Bomber threatens the city, military comes in, massive explosion happens out at sea....no arrest made
-Car thief nearly kills police, attacks an industrial facility....no arrest made
-Victim is found electrocuted, power station is attacked....no arrest made
-Bank robber causes mass anger...no arrest made

As far as the public is concerned, all of these criminals are still at large and still pose a threat to the city. Press conferences should be awesome...."Oh yeah, those five different serial killer cases we had last year? Just forget about them, I'm sure they've worked themselves out."

That's true, CCPD seems to be pretty shitty.

 

[tim1138]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Wells is

Spoiler

Rip Hunter

.

He's identified this era as a key point in the time stream and has come from

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Vanishing Point

to make sure there is no meddling and things progress as they should, hence him being worried about the future when Barry lost his powers last week.

 

[Error]

Anyone posted the 1 minute long trailer for next ep yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaQdyrdEcs&list=UUPWQWav6BpPvtanCtloXkiw

Holy shit

Which is why I'm saying that people are kidding themselves if they think Barry was going flat-out. He dodges bullets. He not only dodges bullets, he catches up to them and deflects them. That means he's easily topping two to four times the speed of sound, never mind the insane reflexes required to navigate sharp turns like he does.

Again, Ollie is awesome. I like him and respect his abilities. But up against some metahumans he would simply be dead if they actually wanted him dead.

Ollie fooled him with the same trap twice. If Ollie was serious it wouldn't have been a rope arrow or tranq arrow, it would've be an arrow to his head.

I don't think both were going at it at full force. It was still entertaining as fuck.

 

[Wiktor]

That's true, CCPD seems to be pretty shitty.

Welll...at Oliver said on Arrow yesterday...Central City is just this happy city where sun always shines. They propably never had to do much actual heavy police work

 

[Tamanon]

CCPD probably just needs to hire a better forensics tech.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Welll...at Oliver said on Arrow yesterday...Central City is just this happy city where sun always shines. They propably never had to do much actual heavy police work

Or they're actually capable of good police work and their political and corporate leaders aren't corrupt to the core.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Pretty good episode. I guess I'll need to watch an episode of Arrow though in-between?

I enjoy Felicity Smoak's character, I don't recall if she was in the show much before I dropped it. The Arrow himself though, I still find for lack of a better word, bland - there never seems to be any intonation in anything Amell says... I don't know if it's intentional, but it just comes across flat. (Well, except when he puts on that ridiculous voice.)

Also, Cisco just seems to get more and more annoying.

P.S. without the confines of the story there's basically no way the Arrow would win, but he did in this instance. When Barry took hold of the rope and said "hold on" he could have just kept running until he'd dragged Ollie to death.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Iris's turn against the Flash was incredibly abrupt and really poorly handled.

Yes, Flash just attacked her boyfriend and acted like a maniac right in front of her. But her words, during that attack, were all about how something was wrong with him, that he wasn't fine, that he helps people and wouldn't just turn and hurt someone. Mind you, this is after his full attack (Ollie interrupts what he was about to do right then).

So, from a story-telling point, she goes from the voice of hope and "I know you're a good guy" to "fuck you and your apology, I've lost all faith in you. You're a danger."


Hell, that doesn't even take into account that, at the same time as the attack, her boyfriend is investigating a strange bank robbery where normal people suddenly turned and attacked each other.




Oh, speaking of which, Central City's police department must have a terrible reputation. Their biggest, most dangerous cases go unsolved.

-Team of criminals rob a gun store and attack one of the biggest names in the city. One man is apprehended, rest of the team gets away. Suspect commits suicide in custody, leaving the cases unsolved
-Simon Stagg is murdered....no arrest made
-An entire crime family is murdered...no arrest made
-Team heists an armored truck, man attacks a museum and causes a catastrophic train crash....no arrest made
-Bomber threatens the city, military comes in, massive explosion happens out at sea....no arrest made
-Car thief nearly kills police, attacks an industrial facility....no arrest made
-Victim is found electrocuted, power station is attacked....no arrest made
-Bank robber causes mass anger...no arrest made

As far as the public is concerned, all of these criminals are still at large and still pose a threat to the city. Press conferences should be awesome...."Oh yeah, those five different serial killer cases we had last year? Just forget about them, I'm sure they've worked themselves out."

Its like the Miami Police Department in Dexter.

 

[Neoxon]

Anyone posted the 1 minute long trailer for next ep yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaQdyrdEcs&list=UUPWQWav6BpPvtanCtloXkiw

I need this in my life.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

P.S. without the confines of the story there's basically no way the Arrow would win, but he did in this instance. When Barry took hold of the rope and said "hold on" he could have just kept running until he'd dragged Ollie to death.

Or he could've just snapped his neck. But Barry can't be seen doing that.

 

[strafer]

if this guy were to guest star, who could he play?

 

[Knoxcore]

The latest Arrow episode cements my opinion that The Flash is the superior show. But Arrow could improve if Oliver lost that shitty attitude and became the cocky Green Arrow we all know and love.

Well I disagree. Nothing in The Flash tops the best that Arrow has had to offer. The last six or so episodes of season two was some of the best in fantasy/sci-fi television.

 

[DaveH]

if this guy were to guest star, who could he play?

As The Flash increases in prominence, we'll move towards the fact that he's a public hero that's honored by his city. I don't know that we'll be getting to parades or museums, but there will definitely be merchandising. When there's merchandise to sell, there's also a strong incentive to do a TV show or movie.

He should play the in-universe actor who plays The Flash, which would be a great nod and provide a ton of opportunity to exploit his comedic acting chops.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Wow, I had to look up online who that woman was that Oliver ran into in the coffee shop at the end of the episode.

What an out of nowhere callback to a random flashback from last season (that I literally had no memory of). I got what it was implying (

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that Oliver has a child

), but what a strange scene to include in The Flash episode of this crossover.

As a watcher of Arrow, I got it right away. But I did marathon S2 not all that long ago, over the Summer.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Anyone posted the 1 minute long trailer for next ep yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaQdyrdEcs&list=UUPWQWav6BpPvtanCtloXkiw

Oh that is awesome.

So sinister, that

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Yellow Suited fellow.

 

[Cornballer]

- ETOnline: What's Next for 'Arrow' and 'The Flash'? 10 of Your Biggest Questions Answered *spoilers*

 

[infi]

Loved both cross over episodes.

The guy in the yellow suit seems to be too bulky to be Eddie but it could just be that his suit is bulkier than the one Flash wears.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

if this guy were to guest star, who could he play?

Future Wally West.

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He will be black though so alternate universe Wally!

Seriously though the in universe actor of Flash on a tv series or movie idea would be great.
Would definitely fit Flash after he becomes well established.

 

[Gonzalez]

Loved both cross over episodes.

The guy in the yellow suit seems to be too bulky to be Eddie but it could just be that his suit is bulkier than the one Flash wears.

Someone suggested a couple of pages back that it was

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John Wesley Shipp

.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Someone suggested a couple of pages back that it was

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John Wesley Shipp

.

That theory would be an amazing twist. But I sure hope it's wrong.

 

[Vinci]

Preview looks great. No idea who Reverse Flash is at this point. Having a hard time understanding his dialogue.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

if this guy were to guest star, who could he play?

Reverse Flash.

 

[E the Shaggy]

I hope we get the patented Zoom snapping his fingers to create sonic booms trick.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Miles, are you on crack?

Arrow clearly won.

I don't really think it matters honestly, but still, I can't agree. Barry was out for blood. He dropped Arrow of that building which would have killed him. If anything, it was Arrow that held back, he didn't want to hurt his friend who was clearly under the influence.

I think in a year or two, it's a whole different ball game though. Barry is still a super power infant.

You think Olie wasn't holding back? He had multiple chances to straight out kill Barry. Realistically he went way to easy on the kid at first, trying to just calm him down. What he should have done is put the arrow through his knee at the very begining, instead of trying to safely bind him with ropes.

I believe both were holding back, but it's clear that Barry was holding back more in terms of what he can do.

If he had really wanted to kill Ollie, all he'd have to do is supersonic punch the guy into mush. The fact that he didn't, suggests he more interested in showing Ollie that he doesn't need his help and that he's fully capable of taking on any foe.

For example, the tornado move when Arrow grappling hooks away, that could easily have been turned into a punch session where Barry's punch become more powerful the faster he gets.

And I groaned hard when Ollie hit him with the arrow to the knee. This is the guy who can dodge multiple bullets with ease, it wasn't realistic to see him get hit with an arrow head on.

 

[Wiktor]

If he had really wanted to kill Ollie, all he'd have to do is supersonic punch the guy into mush. The fact that he didn't, suggests he more interested in showing Ollie that he doesn't need his help and that he's fully capable of taking on any foe.

I somehow doubt Oliver would stand still in one place for the time it woul take Barry to reach supersonic speed though.

And I groaned hard when Ollie hit him with the arrow to the knee. This is the guy who can dodge multiple bullets with ease, it wasn't realistic to see him get hit with an arrow head on.

I don't think having eyes on a back of his head is part of Barry's power range. Barry can't dodge what he doesn't see. He wasn't hit by arrow head on, he was attacked from behind and that's how it should be. Let's not turn Barry into some shitty Mary Sue please. Otherwise the only enemies he will ever be facing are speedsters and telepaths.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

This is Flash Year Zero we are talking about here. He barely has a grasp on his powers at this point.

 

[Ophelion]

I believe both were holding back, but it's clear that Barry was holding back more in terms of what he can do.

If he had really wanted to kill Ollie, all he'd have to do is supersonic punch the guy into mush. The fact that he didn't, suggests he more interested in showing Ollie that he doesn't need his help and that he's fully capable of taking on any foe.

For example, the tornado move when Arrow grappling hooks away, that could easily have been turned into a punch session where Barry's punch become more powerful the faster he gets.

And I groaned hard when Ollie hit him with the arrow to the knee. This is the guy who can dodge multiple bullets with ease, it wasn't realistic to see him get hit with an arrow head on.

All metahumans go straight for the idiot ball fighting badass normals. This is comic book law. You cannot break the rules. If you do, red skies show up and tear the DC multiverse apart. Forecasts say we're not due for another one of those for at least two years.

 

[Poodlestrike]

This is Flash Year Zero we are talking about here. He barely has a grasp on his powers at this point.

Pretty much this. He's done well, but he's still very, very new at this.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Preview looks great. No idea who Reverse Flash is at this point. Having a hard time understanding his dialogue.

I assumed

Spoiler

he was disguising his voice as well as his face

.

Well I disagree. Nothing in The Flash tops the best that Arrow has had to offer. The last six or so episodes of season two was some of the best in fantasy/sci-fi television.

I'm really referring to what Arrow is now without Deathstroke and the other stuff.

 

[Knoxcore]

I assumed

Spoiler

he was disguising his voice as well as his face

.


I'm really referring to what Arrow is now without Deathstroke and the other stuff.

I will admit the first half of the season does not compare to the last two seasons, but even so, I don't feel The Flash or Arrow trumps either shows this season. There are things I dislike about both shows right now. I think that's just the nature of the slow burn on Arrow and the fact that this is The Flash's first season. But I'm happily watching both. I know Arrow has the capacity to deliver like they have in the past and I look forward to seeing what happens on The Flash.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Is it just me or was tonight the first appearance of the new cowl we saw being worked on a few months back?
Same design but smaller and fit better while the earbolts look thicker and slightly bigger.

IDK, just to me the costume looked the best it has in that episode.
Now give him

Spoiler

Reverse Flash's shoulder pads and the costume is great

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Flash has overtaken Arrow for me. I still love Arrow, but god is it dark and broody. I'd like Ollie to lighten up and be more like his DCAU counterpart. He doesn't have to be a jokester, but some wisecracking and some episodes that actually have Arrow action take place during the day would be nice.

 

[Chuckie]

Flash has overtaken Arrow for me. I still love Arrow, but god is it dark and broody. I'd like Ollie to lighten up and be more like his DCAU counterpart. He doesn't have to be a jokester, but some wisecracking and some episodes that actually have Arrow action take place during the day would be nice.

Hehe. Seeing these two episodes actually highlighted why I love arrow so much more than Flash...because it is more dark and broody.

 

[Penguin]

Hehe. Seeing these two episodes actually highlighted why I love arrow so much more than Flash...because it is more dark and broody.

Not because it is dark and broody, but I think because Arrow's world exists in a lot more gray Arrow than the Flash I enjoy it.

For the most part, The Flash is the good guy, and some of the metas are the bad guys.

Arrow is kind of the hero, but his means and justifications are sometimes at odds with being heroic. It makes for a more complex hero and dynamic on the show to me.

Both great at what they do though

 

[Chariot]

Spoiler

Reverse Flash is clearly Sara.

 

[Nabs]

That extended trailer is so good. The break is going to be so tough to deal with.

Spoiler

It is your destiny to lose to me, Flash.

 

[guek]

I hope this is where flash starts to transition away from its monster of the week formula and begins to embark on a more overarching story. Either way I'm hyped

 

[Ecliptor]

My hype levels are through the roof.

 

[Skux]

Arrow still gets to have fun, just not with Ollie. We had a truckload of boomerang puns last night.