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[tbm24]

You could provide a way to keep those exotics relevant without completely resetting the progress the way they're doing. Believe it or not, there are multiple ways besides the one they plan on implementing. Besides, and I've said this before, the real reason people are pissed is that it doesn't matter if you upgrade a fully maxed exotic or a brand new one, the result is the same. It would be one thing if these were legendaries, but the time sink it takes to max an exotic is extensive and now they're basically saying "lol oh well". And again, they wait to put this info out a few days after an extensive overhaul of the upgrade system where people have effectively wasted valuable materials upgrading exotics in anticipation of using them with the new content.

I won't say there couldn't be a better implementation, but I just see the logic of their decision. It makes sense, is it the best way? Likely not, but it makes sense more so than making them worthless which is what I previously thought would be the case.

It's also not so bad if you stocked up on the telemetries Xur sells every time he passes by. Though I can see why many likely never bought them.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I kinda have to doubt that a little bit. People would still see it as a "progress reset" and "more grinding."

I supposed they could have added 2 new tiers of 3x Damage Upgrade slots, and just had those take a massive amount of XP to fill. It would have had exactly the same effect but it wouldn't feel as much like a reset since they aren't wiping old progress but still are adding a ton of XP investment.

I suspect they imagined people would be grateful to be able to upgrade, rather than whiny that the upgrade would have some associated cost.

Jesus christ. NO ONE EXPECTS TO GET THE UPGRADES FOR FREE. They are pissed that the difference between upgrading a maxed exotic and a brand new never touched one is zero and that that info wasn't relayed a few days ago when they overhauled the upgrade system.

 

[LiK]

Jesus christ. NO ONE EXPECTS TO GET THE UPGRADES FOR FREE. They are pissed that the difference between upgrading a maxed exotic and a brand new never touched one is zero and that that info wasn't relayed a few days ago when they overhauled the upgrade system.

Exactly

 

[border]

Those aren't even close to the only alternatives. The most reasonable alternative to me seems to be that they should let you reforge fully upgraded exotics, keeping the perks you have so far unlocked, but have the remaining damage increase bubbles take the full amount of XP it would take to upgrade a new exotic.

As I've said, this is just a way of hiding the fact that your upgrade will require a huge XP/materials investment. Instead of resetting someone's progress bar you just arbitrarily make the progress bar longer.

 

[Omegasquash]

It's a complete reset from what I read. You don't get to keep any of the perks.

On the one hand I'm glad I just got Gjallarhorn last night from the Nightfall. On the other hand...WTF. Gimme back my ascendent energy, goddammit.

 

[GlamFM]

I second this notion as another Guardian Lord of GAF.

I assume you will both change your minds once you see someone ripping crota to shreds with a fully leveled Gjallerhorn 2.0.

On the one hand I'm glad I just got Gjallarhorn last night from the Nightfall. On the other hand...WTF. Gimme back my ascendent energy, goddammit.

This is what bothers me most...I spent a lot of hours grinding energies, upgrading multiple exotics,.......there should be a way to be rewarded for doing so at least get some of my energy back.

Upgrading Exotics doesn´t require ascendent mats anymore.

 

[Night Angel]

I don't really have an issue with the upgrade system, as I pretty much expected that I'd have to find all new gear anyway (which is typical in loot games when the level cap raises). I'm actually happy about the upgrade system, as it lets me keep my current favorite guns.

As for "player investment," you got to use the guns in their upgraded state on pre-expansion content. I assume you had fun. That's your reward. If you didn't, maybe you were playing the game for the wrong reasons.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

On the one hand I'm glad I just got Gjallarhorn last night from the Nightfall. On the other hand...WTF. Gimme back my ascendent energy, goddammit.

This is what bothers me most...I spent a lot of hours grinding energies, upgrading multiple exotics,.......there should be a way to be rewarded for doing so at least get some of my energy back.

 

[benicillin]

Jesus christ. NO ONE EXPECTS TO GET THE UPGRADES FOR FREE. They are pissed that the difference between upgrading a maxed exotic and a brand new never touched one is zero and that that info wasn't relayed a few days ago when they overhauled the upgrade system.

I agree that the info could have been relayed a few days ago to coincide with the original update and that it should have been, but overall I think the upgrade system is as fair as it could be without making post-DLC drops of old exotics worthless.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

I assume you will both change your minds once you see someone ripping crota to shreds with a fully leveled Gjallerhorn 2.0.



Upgrading Exotics doesn´t require ascendent mats anymore.

No but legendaries do...they are still needed. Most legendaries are as good as most exotics.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

I bet destiny 2 does nowhere near as good as number 1.

 

[LiK]

One of the Gaffers in Destiny OT already used an Exotic shard to max out an Exotic earlier this week before this update was announced. They don't feel good about it.

 

[vctor182]

Wait, so we have to blow up 14 coins (2 exotic shards) per each exotic to get the new version and fully leveled it?

 

[Deku Tree]

I kinda have to doubt that a little bit. People would still see it as a "progress reset" and "more grinding."

I supposed they could have added 2 new tiers of 3x Damage Upgrade slots, and just had those take a massive amount of XP to fill. It would have had exactly the same effect but it wouldn't feel as much like a reset since they aren't wiping old progress but still are adding a ton of XP investment.

I suspect they imagined people would be grateful to be able to upgrade, rather than whiny that the upgrade would have some associated cost.

Yes, that seems to be the problem with all the Bungie game designers who are making these decisions. They see themselves as our overlords and they see us as mice in the treadmill begging for scraps. Any benevolence they show us they presume it's going to meet met with extreme gratitude. Sorry. There are a lot of good games to play.

 

[benicillin]

One of the Gaffers in Destiny OT already used an Exotic shard to max out an Exotic earlier this week before this update was announced. They don't feel good about it.

To be fair, it's one shard. Which you can get for 7 strange coins, which if you're playing a lot of Destiny you can easily get through the Nightfall or even through random decryptions.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

One of the Gaffers in Destiny OT already used an Exotic shard to max out an Exotic earlier this week before this update was announced. They don't feel good about it.

Yeah there really should be a way to get something back if it is already upgraded.

 

[E92 M3]

Well, I can definitely see why it upsets people. However again it becomes a matter of perspective I think. The person who just started playing is not on the same level as someone who has played 300 hours simply because they can walk to Xur and turn their first exotic into an upgraded one. That's silly to think. Weapon is not he be all end all. I'm still lv30 while they are lv20 with an upgraded Exotic. I will get through more and level mine up infinitely quicker and have access to more things on top of what I already have(in terms of materials, ascendant stuff, strange coins etc). I just don't agree with that notion that Bungie is invalidating all of the time you spent because of this exotic weapon upgrade.

As far as legendaries and raid armor and such goes. That's also not true either. With my current raid gear, me and my friends can/likely will simply waltz into the new raid ready to go. Anything we get beyond that is a bonus/or strictly in preparation to jump into Hard Mode again.

Weapon leveling is one of the main facets of the game and it still comes down to respecting the time players invested already. I can't think of one game that disregards investment so much. As it stands now, many wasted shards on weapons they would want to upgrade. The systems keep changing month to month and with no recourse for the ones that have already invested significant time.

Chances are, the new raid will have level 31 or 32 enemies toward the end and will benefit everyone that went through the questline for upgraded armor. We have no way of upgrading our raid armor that was acquired with much difficulty for some. Within days 31 will become the new standard until the raid begins to be grinded.

 

[GlamFM]

Wait, so we have to blow up 14 coins (2 exotic shards) per each exotic to get the new version and fully leveled it?

Yes.


Coins are suddenly good for something. Cool, no?

 

[border]

Jesus christ. NO ONE EXPECTS TO GET THE UPGRADES FOR FREE.

Read the thread. There's plenty of people expecting a full tier upgrade at a virtually trivial cost ("one exotic shard") and plenty of people upset that it will require any significant XP investment ("More grinding?!?!?").

 

[Lothars]

One of the Gaffers in Destiny OT already used an Exotic shard to max out an Exotic earlier this week before this update was announced. They don't feel good about it.

That part is bullshit and definitely needs to be refunded. There's no reason why they had to wait so long to say.

I still feel the exotic upgrade is a good one and the legendary change is a terrible one and really determential to the game.

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

So, wait...I spent all that time leveling up all of my exotics and now I have to do it again? Am I reading that correctly?

 

[tbm24]

One of the Gaffers in Destiny OT already used an Exotic shard to max out an Exotic earlier this week before this update was announced. They don't feel good about it.

At least you're guaranteed to get a shard a week if you only do the Weekly Heroic. I recently used one just to upgrade my exotic arms to hit 30 again after my raid helmet. Sure a waste in hindsight but can't say I'm miffed about it either.

I will say, not sure why Bungie waited till now to announce this and didn't include it with the patch announcement this same week. People could have saved them.

 

[Gurrry]

This is really the best solution to expanding the level cap and keeping the gear relevant. I think it's fair.

After sleeping on it, I agree.

However, the fact that we need Xur to be able to upgrade is still what makes this shitty. Some people dont get to play on Friday and Saturday, so they are essentially fucked. I dont think alienating a portion of your fanbase is fair.

Xur needs to be a permanent person at the tower.

 

[Gattsu25]

Not sure if there's a newer post, but DeeJ's Twitter says that Game Informer's description is accurate and people are reacting "wrong."

:/

He's tweeting himself...did he forget to switch to his other account?

 

[LiK]

To be fair, it's one shard. Which you can get for 7 strange coins, which if you're playing a lot of Destiny you can easily get through the Nightfall or even through random decryptions.

i'm sure she would love to level that up all over again. the shards aren't the biggest issue to me either, it's the leveling up for those stupid bubbles.

 

[benicillin]

So, wait...I spent all that time leveling up all of my exotics and now I have to do it again? Am I reading that correctly?

Your level 300 exotics will still be great for most of the new content. The only time they'll be sub-optimal is when you're playing the hard mode raid, at which point it will be like bringing a 274 or so weapon in VoG on Hard. It's not the end of the world (or making anything as obsolete) as some would lead you to believe.

 

[Lothars]

I bet destiny 2 does nowhere near as good as number 1.

I disagree I think it will do quite a bit better especially if it has quite a bit more content which it should. I love destiny and think it's a great game but it's needing more content.

 

[Leotarius]

Yup, it's already stale. A few new maps ain't gonna make the regrind suddenly more tolerable. Maybe if they added 10 new PVP maps and a brand new story chapter, then maybe....

Or a planet... =)

 

[Waylon Drums]

Or a planet... =)

I stupidly assumed both expansions would be new planets. Silly, stupid, September version of me.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I agree that the info could have been relayed a few days ago to coincide with the original update and that it should have been, but overall I think the upgrade system is as fair as it could be without making post-DLC drops of old exotics worthless.

Why though?

Solution:

• Pre-DLC exotic requires the upgrade (implemented the same way for the sake of brevity).
• Upgrading pre-DLC exotic carries your unlocked perks over to the upgraded version. If your pre-DLC exotic had no perks unlocked, then you get no perks out of the gate if you upgrade it.
• Post-DLC drops of said exotic already have the upgraded values (that still need to be leveled).

Simple. Done.

 

[LiK]

Or a planet... =)

yup, in Destiny 2

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

I stupidly assumed both expansions would be new planets. Silly, stupid, September version of me.

I did too, my biggest disappointment, really shocked at the lack of content this game has. Still play it a lot it is a weird relationship I have with this game.

 

[SmartWaffles]

So basically everything Bungie has been doing is to prevent players from getting to the top to cover up the lack of content.

 

[FinFan]

Your level 300 exotics will still be great for most of the new content. The only time they'll be sub-optimal is when you're playing the hard mode raid, at which point it will be like bringing a 274 or so weapon in VoG on Hard. It's not the end of the world (or making anything as obsolete) as some would lead you to believe.

The problem with your logic is if you play the small amount of new content without re-leveling your current exotic from the start then you wasted all that play time and would need to grind after the fact. Playing the same stuff again and again.

 

[tbm24]

Weapon leveling is one of the main facets of the game and it still comes down to respecting the time players invested already. I can't think of one game that disregards investment so much. As it stands now, many wasted shards on weapons they would want to upgrade. The systems keep changing month to month and with no recourse for the ones that have already invested significant time.

Chances are, the new raid will have level 31 or 32 enemies toward the end and will benefit everyone that went through the questline for upgraded armor. We have no way of upgrading our raid armor that was acquired with much difficulty for some. Within days 31 will become the new standard until the raid begins to be grinded.

I'll agree with you the rate Bungie makes changes and with usually no warning/announcement is annoying.

As far as the raid goes, yes it's likely during the last encounter or two the enemy level will go up to 30/31(32 likely reserved for hard mode like 30 was in Vault of Glass). But that's fine. Vault of Glass was the same way, still did it with a group of 26/27/28s. We'll see how hard the raid actually is, but I'll be surprised if most people who are gonna jump in right away will find a road block related to their level specifically(again as far as the normal raid goes).

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Read the thread. There's plenty of people expecting a full tier upgrade at a virtually trivial cost ("one exotic shard") and plenty of people upset that it will require any significant XP investment ("More grinding?!?!?").

I'll rephrase then. No one reasonable expects to get the upgrades for free.

 

[sturgboski]

I see a lot of comments about the DMG rolling to 302 base with the upgrade. Is that proven? The screens out there show a partially upgraded exotic at 302 and 272 as a base for the exotic on GI article.

There are also a lot of comments about WoW too. There is a huge difference between the two. Namely the final tier raid gear is useful up until late in leveling toward the new cap. Further quests reward you with gear yo replace your last set of gear, not requiring a grind to relevel old gear. Further there is exponentially more content in a WoW expansion than Destiny plus the two pieces of DLC combined. Latest one added a new world with numerous new zones, a new gameplay mechanic in barracks building, tons of new gear, quests, factions, etc.

Hell even GW2 provides more content. Right now they are in part 2 of living world season 2. There's about 10-12 story missions coming with that, each one roughly an hour and each free as long as you log in during a window.

So yeah, people need to stop saying how lucky we are to get these new treadmills and artificial gating that just masks a severe lack of content for the amount of money spent. Some games give this amount of content for free.

 

[GlamFM]

I see a lot of comments about the DMG rolling to 302 base with the upgrade. Is that proven?

Yes, starts at 302 and goes to 331.

 

[border]

So basically everything Bungie has been doing is to prevent players from getting to the top to cover up the lack of content.

You understand that offering an upgrade system for exotics actually lets people get to the top faster, right?

 

[Omegasquash]

Upgrading Exotics doesn´t require ascendent mats anymore.

That's key, here. I put some in. Now those materials are wasted (and I could use 'em now, lemme tellya).

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

I assume you will both change your minds once you see someone ripping crota to shreds with a fully leveled Gjallerhorn 2.0.





Upgrading Exotics doesn´t require ascendent mats anymore.

As I said once already, legendaries do..they are still needed and usefull, heck most of the legendaries are as good or better then the exotics...

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

That's key, here. I put some in. Now those materials are wasted (and I could use 'em now, lemme tellya).

Not only are they wasted, legendaries still require them, I use legendaries as much as exotics, heck many legendaries are better then the exotics, the exotics in this game are not exotic enough.

 

[GlamFM]

As I said once already, legendaries do..they are still needed and usefull, heck most of the legendaries are as good or better then the exotics...

Not only are they wasted, legendaries still require them, I use legendaries as much as exotics, heck many legendaries are better then the exotics, the exotics in this game are not exotic enough.

No but legendaries do...they are still needed. Most legendaries are as good as most exotics.

Yes, you did say that before. Didn´t make sense before, doesn´t make sense now.

You expected what exactly to happen with your legendaries?

 

[Marcel]

I stupidly assumed both expansions would be new planets. Silly, stupid, September version of me.

Bungie doesn't know what expansion means.

 

[border]

Further quests reward you with gear yo replace your last set of gear, not requiring a grind to relevel old gear. Further there is exponentially more content in a WoW expansion than Destiny plus the two pieces of DLC combined. Latest one added a new world with numerous new zones, a new gameplay mechanic in barracks building, tons of new gear, quests, factions, etc.

When a new World of Warcraft raid tier is introduced, old gear becomes outdated and is not capable of being upgraded. Darkwing Lair brought gear that was better than Molten Core. Naxxramas had gear that was better than Ahn Quiraj. Most of the time there were not quests that let you make up the difference, and there was never an upgrade path for old items.

I do hope that all the Quartermaster gear gets upgraded. WoW usually offers a new level of token-based gear upon arrival of a new raid tier.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

Yes, you did say that before. Didn´t make sense before, doesn´t make sense now.

You expected what exactly to happen with your legendaries?

WTF, you were talking like the mats are not needed, they still are, so all those we put into exotics are useless and gone, and we still need more for legendaries...so yes it makes perfects sense while you still don't.

 

[Omegasquash]

Not only are they wasted, legendaries still require them, I use legendaries as much as exotics, heck many legendaries are better then the exotics, the exotics in this game are not exotic enough.

That's what I'm saying. Gimme back my ascendent energy and lemme keep my perks. I can use that energy RIGHT NOW, and I'll happily spend some coin with Xur for the shards to re-up on the damage.

I get it...it's reasonable to need to grind a little bit for an upgrade. But it's not an upgrade if you have to do everything all over again. Exotics take a long time to level, man.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

That's what I'm saying. Gimme back my ascendent energy and lemme keep my perks. I can use that energy RIGHT NOW, and I'll happily spend some coin with Xur for the shards to re-up on the damage.

I get it...it's reasonable to need to grind a little bit for an upgrade. But it's not an upgrade if you have to do everything all over again. Exotics take a long time to level, man.

agree....people should get some shards back after spending so many on upgrading exotics.

 

[Boogdud]

I'm just dumbfounded at how clunky and undocumented all of the post-20 progression in this game. It's seriously bewildering. If it wasn't for Hawkian and his guide I would have literally no clue.

They really could use a much simpler system.

 

[GlamFM]

WTF, you were talking like the mats are not needed, they still are, so all those we put into exotics are useless and gone, and we still need more for legendaries...so yes it makes perfects sense while you still don't.

Soooooooo?

You want Bungie to give you your mats back so you can put them into the new DLC legendaries?

Weird.

I also never said that mats were not needed at all, I said they were not needed for exotics.