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[Einhandr]

So if I'm reading this correctly, I can upgrade my exotics to a 302 version but my progress resets......regardless of whether or not I fully upgraded it? I guess I would be ok with it if it first required the exotic to be maxed out as it would be almost like the next level up....

...but if I can upgrade it to 302 without having ever put a single point into it first.....that's a real kick in the stones.

 

[Jinjo]

My feeling exactly.

First I was underwhelmed, but once I managed to understand everything more coherent, it is fine.

Nothing will be "lost" for real, because all the progress stays.

No gear will become "obsolete" with a day, every player can decide for himself what parts of the gear and weapons he is willing to scrap in order to gain high-level items.

As I understood, all my LV30 gear will be more than fine.

The process remains the same as before, in transition from "Blue" to "Purple" weapons and gear. We have also "lost" all progress/glimmer/time when we scrapped blues for purples.

As I sad in my post above, if my questions are all answered by "yes", I am content with this complete overhaul.

The progress doesn't stay. It gets reset. You literally lose all the xp and materials pumped into an exotic and have to do it over again. There is no benefit to handing a fully upgraded one vs a non-upgraded exotic. You're actually better off handing in a non-upgraded weapon. There is a really easy solution to this problem: just add more damage nodes at the end of the tree.

The choice what gear to scrap and further upgrade is not up to you. It is limited by what Xur offers each week. And we all know he has new stuff every single week, right?

The difference from blue to purple and purple to exotics is that the time, xp & material investment isn't anywhere near the exotic investment. Someone did a calculation in the OT on what he spend on exotics (millions of xp, hundred thousands of glimmer, thousands of materials), he is gonna have to do that all over again and then some, for 30 more attack. I can understand more levelling being necessary to rank up, but there is a big gap between the time invested/required versus the rewards gained in this new system. And players that already did it all get fucked even harder.

 

[geordiemp]

So when is this happening, will xur have the exotic upgrades this weekend ?

 

[darkwing]

So when is this happening, will xur have the exotic upgrades this weekend ?

Next week

 

[140.85]

The progress doesn't stay. It gets reset. You literally lose all the xp and materials pumped into an exotic and have to do it over again. There is no benefit to handing a fully upgraded one vs a non-upgraded exotic. You're actually better off handing in a non-upgraded weapon. There is a really easy solution to this problem: just add more damage nodes at the end of the tree.

They don't even need to do that. Just reset the last 3 nodes and make those the 302 to 330 path for exotics already fully upgraded. (That is, make those nodes require more exp than before).

I highly doubt new players with new exotics are going to feel it's unfair that people who have put so many hours in upgrading theirs are slightly ahead of them in this regard.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Reading all this, i really wonder why anyone would want to continue playing this at all.

 

[darkwing]

Reading all this, i really wonder why anyone would want to continue playing this at all.

The DLC will have new stuff with 302 as base, you don't have to upgrade your new stuff

 

[JimmyRustler]

Reading all this, i really wonder why anyone would want to continue playing this at all.

Because the game is fun to play and all. I know, hard to believe.

 

[amar212]

The progress doesn't stay. It gets reset. You literally lose all the xp and materials pumped into an exotic and have to do it over again. There is no benefit to handing a fully upgraded one vs a non-upgraded exotic. You're actually better off handing in a non-upgraded weapon. There is a really easy solution to this problem: just add more damage nodes at the end of the tree.

The choice what gear to scrap and further upgrade is not up to you. It is limited by what Xur offers each week. And we all know he has new stuff every single week, right?

The difference from blue to purple and purple to exotics is that the time, xp & material investment isn't anywhere near the exotic investment. Someone did a calculation in the OT on what he spend on exotics (millions of xp, hundred thousands of glimmer, thousands of materials), he is gonna have to do that all over again and then some, for 30 more attack. I can understand more levelling being necessary to rank up, but there is a big gap between the time invested/required versus the rewards gained in this new system. And players that already did it all get fucked even harder.

Yes, but I still do not see the outrage, honestly.

I mean, I am 300+ hours virtual gambling addict, with 10+ 300 Exotics, 3 LV30 characters with complete set of Raid/Exotic LV30 gear, including all Exotics for both Hunter and Warlock (all chests/hands/heads, even in various incarnations).

I should be totally pissed.

But somehow I am not.

Why?

I would play the damn game anyways, so "gaining" XP is natural progress, despite where I invest that "gain". With my current situation, I am playing and leveling various purple items I will never use anyway, beside leveling them because I have capped everything anyways.

I don't know, maybe I am really desperate to actually "do" something in game, but I really do not see the outrage, because nothing is actually "lost". It is a transition based on mechanics and processes we already experienced previously.

Again, I don't know, but since I have learned and understand the overall process more coherently, everything is fine. At least I will get rid of the majority purple weapons I am keeping (and upgrading) just for the sake of having them and focus on the new ones.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Yes, but I still do not see the outrage, honestly.

I mean, I am 300+ hours virtual gambling addict, with 10+ 300 Exotics, 3 LV30 characters with complete set of Raid/Exotic LV30 gear, including all Exotics for both Hunter and Warlock (all chests/hands/heads, even in various incarnations).

I should be totally pissed.

But somehow I am not.

Why?

I would play the damn game anyways, so "gaining" XP is natural progress, despite where I invest that "gain". With my current situation, I am playing and leveling various purple items I will never use anyway, beside leveling them because I have capped everything anyways.

I don't know, maybe I am really desperate to actually "do" something in game, but I really do not see the outrage, because nothing is actually "lost". It is a transition based on mechanics and processes we already experienced previously.

Again, I don't know, but since I have learned and understand the overall process more coherently, everything is fine. At least I will get rid of the majority purple weapons I am keeping (and upgrading) just for the sake of having them and focus on the new ones.

With 2 characters it takes me a week to max an exotic. Its only one at a time which pisses me off the most (100k's go to waste on maxed Purples). I just finished TLW, put a Shard in it and now this.

Its not natural progress to me. Leveling doesn't really work if you actually use the weapon, which would be natural progress imo. I do fucking boring bounties on 2 chars to max my Exotics and was looking forward to the day I had maxed all my favourites. Then I can just use them in IB, Raids, nightfall etc without drawbacks. Arbitrary using a super 20 times and kill 3 with it, or 20 fusion double kills, yeah thats fun to do. Try to do that without farming for it, lol.

I did that boring stuff to work towards a goal, just like I farmed monster arena in FFX. But this goal will constantly be reset it seems (probably again when House of Wolves hits?).

 

[Zakalwe]

I bought the DLC on Monday. I wouldn't have if I'd read this first.

Gutted.

 

[140.85]

I bought the DLC on Monday. I wouldn't have if I'd read this first.

Gutted.

I...I just logged in again. Please help me stop.

 

[IxmagicmanIx]

I have like 8 300 attack exotic guns I already slaved over getting there. Fuck doing it again.

 

[N30RYU]

I...I just logged in again. Please help me stop.

haven't touched it in two+ months... just play something else with story... and you won't bite it anymore.

 

[ChosenPredator]

sounds confusing ...i don't like confusing just let me have one step bungie..just trade in an exotic at a vendor and get a upgrade and coins

actually i have no idea what im saying because im still so confused.

 

[benjammin]

Because the game is fun to play and all. I know, hard to believe.

From someone who has put in over 100 hours, it's not fun enough to start all over again. And it won't be fun enough in 3 months when the next expansion comes out and you have to do it all over again.

 

[BokehKing]

That's a shame. Enjoy it I guess. Personally, I feel gross for even buying this game digitally to support such bullshit they're throwing at you and others like you.

but we don't find it as bullshit
we enjoy the game
us enjoying the game should not affect your life in the least

From someone who has put in over 100 hours, it's not fun enough to start all over again. And it won't be fun enough in 3 months when the next expansion comes out and you have to do it all over again.

you don't put a 100 hours into a game if you're not enjoying it

If i'm not enjoying a game I don't put more than 20 minutes into, 100 hours.....thats more than 10 and you still kept chugging along.

 

[BeforeU]

I haven't booted this game almost 2 months now. Expansion coming sometime this week right? Have season pass so might as well check it out. But I have no desire to, from what I am reading weapons are fucking unbalanced in PVP and loot drops and give away after each game are still fucking random.

 

[Mike Works]

Tell me whether or not this makes sense. What if they did this:

- All Exotics get "upgraded" by Xur (to the 302 base) when you buy the 7,000 glimmer upgrade.

- All Exotics have a new progress tree.

- However, the PERKS (such as radar always stays active, player is camoflauged when aiming, etc) DON'T have to be unlocked again. So essentially, players would just be leveling up their guns from 302 -> whatever number.

Why didn't Bungie just do this and frame it that they were giving players a chance to increase damage on the Exotics players know and love? That's all they had to do in terms of framing this to make people actually excited, instead of pissed off.

I don't understand the thinking that's coming from this company with some of their decisions. It feels like one or two people make a choice without consulting the rest of the developers as to whether or not something is a stupid fucking (PR or in-game) decision.

 

[140.85]

Tell me whether or not this makes sense. What if they did this:

- All Exotics get "upgraded" by Xur (to the 302 base) when you buy the 7,000 glimmer upgrade.

- All Exotics have a new progress tree.

- However, the PERKS (such as radar always stays active, player is camoflauged when aiming, etc) DON'T have to be unlocked again. So essentially, players would just be leveling up their guns from 302 -> whatever number.

Why didn't Bungie just do this and frame it that they were giving players a chance to increase damage on the Exotics players know and love? That's all they had to do in terms of framing this to make people actually excited, instead of pissed off.

I don't understand the thinking that's coming from this company with some of their decisions. It feels like one or two people make a choice without consulting the rest of the developers as to whether or not something is a stupid fucking (PR or in-game) decision.

Yup. This could have SO easily been something to celebrate instead of pissing everyone off.

 

[broony]

Probably posted already but this reddit post makes some sense:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2o77l6/sga_relax_all_of_our_current_maxed_gear_will/

Ok, when I first saw the updates and articles describing the new exotic upgrade process and learned that all of our current legendaries won't be seeing a damage increase, I too freaked out for a minute.

But then I thought about it some more and realized that the ONLY content in the DLC where this will matter will be the new hard mode version of the raid. Why? Because that will be the only content in the entire DLC that includes level 31-32 enemies.

The new missions, strikes, nightfall, and even the new normal mode raid WILL ALL MAX OUT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE CURRENT HARD MODE RAID! And, our current weapons and gear work just fine for level 28-30 mobs, don't they? Yes, yes they do.

Later, in order to attempt the new hard mode version of the raid, we simply equip some of the new weapons and gear that we get from the normal mode version of the new raid -- just like we did with VoG!!

Too easy!

In other words, you won't have to start over with very many exotic pieces, and you'll have plenty of time to do so with a few of them before you're even ready to think about the new hard mode version of the raid anyways (Note: hard mode won't be unlocked/available until "sometime in January").

Yes, the exotic upgrade process does seem a bit stupid, and cumbersome, but it's certainly not going to cause anyone that much pain anytime soon; and, it's certainly not required before you can enjoy ALL of the new content next week.

So, my fellow guardians, please take a minute to relax... you don't want to be in too big a hurry to finish this journey. We're also all in this ride together and we're all dealing with the same wild changes... so, nobody will ever really be left behind or be left without good company.

TLW: Our current maxed gear will be 100% effective for all new content except the new hard mode raid. We're all going to be ok, and we'll all continue to have fun pwning the new and old content, I promise!

 

[Manp]

Tell me whether or not this makes sense. What if they did this:

- All Exotics get "upgraded" by Xur (to the 302 base) when you buy the 7,000 glimmer upgrade.

- All Exotics have a new progress tree.

- However, the PERKS (such as radar always stays active, player is camoflauged when aiming, etc) DON'T have to be unlocked again. So essentially, players would just be leveling up their guns from 302 -> whatever number.

Why didn't Bungie just do this and frame it that they were giving players a chance to increase damage on the Exotics players know and love? That's all they had to do in terms of framing this to make people actually excited, instead of pissed off.

I don't understand the thinking that's coming from this company with some of their decisions. It feels like one or two people make a choice without consulting the rest of the developers as to whether or not something is a stupid fucking (PR or in-game) decision.

that makes sense, that's the problem.

instead they go for stupid ass decisions and then spend their precious community manager's time trying to convince us that we just don't understand how good is what they're giving us.
that's game development in a nutshell.

 

[WITHE1982]

Stupid, stupid move by Bungie IMO.

I've grinded out around 200 hours (8 days +) of this game since launch and for me that a HELL of a lot of my spare time taken up. I work full time (6 days a week) and I'm lucky if I get an hour or 2 a night to game. So to be told that the hours, no the days, I've put into upgrading the 9 exotics I have were for nothing is a gigantic kick in the bollocks to me. I value my play-time immensely and have chosen Destiny to take up, what for me, is a lot of that time. I just feel sad that with every backwards step they take my love for this game is slowly waning.

I do realize that the new exotics will have a higher attack power eventually but I just cannot spare the 20-30 hours + it will take to re-level my weapons just to get the perks back that I've already unlocked. I mean come on, just lock the perks and let us re-grind for extra attack, It's not rocket science is it?

I'm really starting to regret buying these 2 expansion packs TBH. If this is how they're going to handle the level increases then I'm sorry but I'd rather play a game that keeps me hooked with exciting and fresh new content. Not one that forces me to re-live the same old shit again and again and again then grind for days just to stay competitive.

Even the upcoming DLC bosses are just copy and paste mobs that have been shift+dragged to make them larger then re-skinned.

For shame Bungie, for shame. I'm going to have to turn my back on you now.

 

[Jinjo]

that makes sense, that's the problem.

instead they go for stupid ass decisions and then spend their precious community manager's time trying to convince us that we just don't understand how good is what they're giving us.
that's game development in a nutshell.

I'm kinda starting to feel for Deej. Taking accountability for and trying to explain these ridiculously dumb design decisions by the devteam must be a frustrating job.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

I'm really annoyed that I'm already locked into the season pass. Have absolutely no motivation to grind out exotics all over again, and then most likely have to do so in three months time also. Not to mention that legendaries get no upgrade path whatsoever.

Went from being extremely happy with the patch earlier this week (thinking that Bungie was slowly but surely figuring shit out), to losing absolutely all motivation to play. What a weird week. At least this means that I can finally do something to address my backlog though.

 

[GlamFM]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!


Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.


The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.

They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.

Seems completely logical to me.

I don´t see what the problem is.

 

[Jinjo]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!


Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.


The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.

They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.

Seems completely logical to me.

I don´t see what the problem is.

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Exotic perks are what makes the exotics exotic, without them a Gjallarhorn for instance is just a rocket launcher. We all fucking got how it works. We just don't feel like losing all our previously gained progress just for a higher number. People who spend hours upgrading their precious exotics will be hit hard, not a single benefit for all the time and energy spend in upgrading those. People who didn't upgrade a single exotic are actually way better off. That's what doesn't seem logical. I'm not sure if you're the one that does "get it".

 

[WITHE1982]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!


Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.


The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.

They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.

Seems completely logical to me.

I don´t see what the problem is.

Personally I do see the reasoning behind increasing the power of existing exotics so you can still use your favorite weapons in the new content. That's great and a fantastic addition.

The problem is the system used to do so. For the privilege of getting these 30+ points of attack damage you have to pay 7000 glimmer, spend 7 strange coins, buy 2 exotic shards then grind again to get the perks back that you have already unlocked. That's if you're lucky enough to have Xur sell the upgrade for your weapon of choice.

That's not to mention the people who have already used exotic shards in the meantime to upgrade their exotics, essentially wasting them. Bungie should have announced this at the same time as the recent patch.

So in conclusion: great idea - poorly executed. I guess that could be the tagline for Destiny in general.

 

[geordiemp]

Why do bungie want people putting so many hours into grinding the same strikes and missions ?

I just don't get it.

If they had say 25 % of the grind to level gear and armour, then

1, More people would level up quicker and get to experience the raid and end game

2. OK, many will finish and leave destiny once stuff is acquired, but they will have had a more enjoyable experience, and more likely to come back when new content arrives.

3. Bungie would see more DLC sales and more happy consumers.


Player numbers must be well down, and they have just kept the grinders and lost the casual players who bought the game.

Surely it would of been better to just let player numbers fall off after a month or 2 and have hem all come back happy for each next DLC instalment.

 

[GlamFM]

Exotic perks are what makes the exotics exotic, without them a Gjallarhorn for instance is just a rocket launcher. We all fucking got how it works. We just don't feel like losing all our previously gained progress just for a higher number. People who spend hours upgrading their precious exotics will be hit hard, not a single benefit for all the time and energy spend in upgrading those. People who didn't upgrade a single exotic are actually way better off. That's what doesn't seem logical.

If you don´t care for a higher number why don´t just keep your exotic as it is and don´t upgrade it?

I honestly feel everybody is making a big deal out of nothing.

Looking forward to grinding out my gear again, because honestly, this is what the game is all about.

I´m kind of bored at level 30 right now with my maxed Hawkmoon, Suros, IceBreaker and Ballerhorn.

 

[140.85]

Probably posted already but this reddit post makes some sense:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2o77l6/sga_relax_all_of_our_current_maxed_gear_will/

I agree with this dude. But they need to change the exotic upgrade process to respect the players prior investments.

 

[Jinjo]

If you don´t care for a higher number why don´t just keep your exotic as it is and don´t upgrade it?

I honestly feel everybody is making a big deal out of nothing.

Looking forward to grinding out my gear again, because honestly, this is what the game is all about.

I´m kind of bored at level 30 right now with my maxed Hawkmoon, Suros, IceBreaker and Ballerhorn.

We want the higher number, we want to upgrade our gear further, we don't want to lose our previously attained stuff. I don't care if they add damage nodes that take an insane amount of XP, but don't force us to reset our stuff in order to play new content. That goes against the concept of continued progression in gaming, even in Destiny.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

If you don´t care for a higher number why don´t just keep your exotic as it is and don´t upgrade it?

I honestly feel everybody is making a big deal out of nothing.

Looking forward to grinding out my gear again, because honestly, this is what the game is all about.

I´m kind of bored at level 30 right now with my maxed Hawkmoon, Suros, IceBreaker and Ballerhorn.

It's fully explained multiple times on this very page. We don't want to lose existing progress and perks.

 

[Atkison04]

Probably posted already but this reddit post makes some sense:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2o77l6/sga_relax_all_of_our_current_maxed_gear_will/

Damn, that's a positive perspective and the dude is right. Everything we have worked to level up is just fine for everything but hard raid dlc. I think we are just obsessed with having everything maxed out. It won't be so bad to pick and choose one or two exotics to redo up to that higher damage stat (gjallorhorn/ice breaker).

 

[E92 M3]

So if I'm reading this correctly, I can upgrade my exotics to a 302 version but my progress resets......regardless of whether or not I fully upgraded it? I guess I would be ok with it if it first required the exotic to be maxed out as it would be almost like the next level up....

...but if I can upgrade it to 302 without having ever put a single point into it first.....that's a real kick in the stones.

Exactly and something not everyone is grasping. Essentially it puts the core players on the same playing field as someone that plays casually. What that means is that there is no point in investing if Bungie completely disregards everything.

 

[GlamFM]

We want the higher number, we want to upgrade our gear further, we don't want to lose our previously attained stuff. I don't care if they add damage nodes that take an insane amount of XP, but don't force us to reset our stuff in order to play new content. That goes against the concept of continued progression in gaming, even in Destiny.

It's fully explained multiple times on this very page. We don't want to lose existing progress and perks.

Putting on my Raid armor dropped me back to 27 at first and I had to grind it out again to reach the level that I had before. I also lost all my armors perks.

People who didn´t upgrade their first set of legendary armor and got the raid gear didn´t "lose" as much progress as I have I guess.

Still seems logical to me.

Why should it be different with exotics?

 

[Victrix]

Putting on my Raid armor dropped me back to 27 at first and I had to grind it out again to reach the level that I had before. I also lost all my armors perks.

People who didn´t upgrade their first set of legendary armor and got the raid gear didn´t "lose" as much progress as I have I guess.

Still seems logical to me.

Why should it be different with exotics?

Because they take a metric fuckton more experience and have game altering perks that are entirely unlike legendaries?

 

[Lockjaw333]

From the department of "How can we keep people playing/grinding?"

Gotta keep em hooked so they buy that DLC.

 

[GlamFM]

Because they take a metric fuckton more experience and have game altering perks that are entirely unlike legendaries?

But why should you get them for free?

It´s a new exotic after all.

From the department of "How can we keep people playing/grinding?"

Gotta keep em hooked so they buy that DLC.

Would you prefer just to pay 20 bucks for a level increase?

 

[Einhandr]

Putting on my Raid armor dropped me back to 27 at first and I had to grind it out again to reach the level that I had before. I also lost all my armors perks.

People who didn´t upgrade their first set of legendary armor and got the raid gear didn´t "lose" as much progress as I have I guess.

Still seems logical to me.

Why should it be different with exotics?

If you would have known you'd have gotten that piece of raid gear the very next day would you have bothered to level up your existing legendary gear today? It's the same feeling here. You get a weapon with 302 damage whether you previously maxed it or not. It's a lot of wasted effort for those who spent a lot of time maxing all their exotics in anticipation for the new content.

 

[Victrix]

But why should you get them for free?

It´s a new exotic after all.

Good lord. No it's not, it's the same fucking exotic with a bigger attack number, the same exotic that I spent days leveling.

Respect the time I invested in that weapon, in the game. Want to make me grind up to a larger attack number because bigger numbers are better? Fine, add another column of attack boosts to my weapon after I pay the upgrade fee. Don't reset the entire fucking progression on the weapon.

 

[GlamFM]

If you would have known you'd have gotten that piece of raid gear the very next day would you have bothered to level up your existing legendary gear today? It's the same feeling here. You get a weapon with 302 damage whether you previously maxed it or not. It's a lot of wasted effort for those who spent a lot of time maxing all their exotics in anticipation for the new content.

The "wasted effort" part is the one I don´t get.

Are you guys having fun playing destiny?

 

[Jinjo]

Putting on my Raid armor dropped me back to 27 at first and I had to grind it out again to reach the level that I had before. I also lost all my armors perks.

People who didn´t upgrade their first set of legendary armor and got the raid gear didn´t "lose" as much progress as I have I guess.

Still seems logical to me.

Why should it be different with exotics?

But you didn't lose your old armor in the process. You got NEW items that slowly put you further along the progression curve. We are resetting OLD, fully upgraded gear.

But why should you get them for free?

It´s a new exotic after all.

It is not a "new" exotic. These are literally our old exotics, we've had most of them for months. Nothing new about them, we just start at point zero again. Also, nobody is saying we should be able to upgrade them for free, please dude.

The "wasted effort" part is the one I don´t get.

Are you guys having fun playing destiny?

We wouldn't be arguing here if we didn't have fun playing Destiny. Stop with the rhetorical questions man. The wasted effort is compared to people who didn't upgrade their exotics. They are better off, while the people that spend hundreds of hours levelling everything get zero benefit from it. That's wasted effort, textbook style.

 

[Persona RS]

Talking about Hawkmoon, how can we upgrade the Playstation exclusive exotics like the Hawkmoon? Xur always brings the same items on Playstation and Xbox plataforms.

 

[Sweet Ivy]

Fair thing: have Xur offer an item to upgrade whatever Exotic.
The fully-upgraded exotics won't reset, the other will.

I have IceBreaker, Suros, HardLight, Hawkmoon and Monte Carlo fully upgraded.
I'm never going to be able to do that again (time-wise and because when it's Xur going to bring all of them!?) and why shouldn't I be able to fully exploit the arsenal I've been building so far.
Actually it feels counter-productive. People have also played/upgraded to be prepared for DLC, this is quite a kick in their bottoms.

You really should have the privilege of having a tag that says "I don't even have time to explain why i don't have time to explain".

Personal attacks really have no meaning nor place here.
We're talking about game changes in Destiny, let's focus on that.

 

[Einhandr]

The "wasted effort" part is the one I don´t get.

Are you guys having fun playing destiny?

It's wasted when I could have just let my exotic sit in my vault untouched, and literally pay 7000 glimmer to have a gun with more damage potential then one I spent hours and materials on upgrading.

 

[amar212]

Good lord. No it's not, it's the same fucking exotic with a bigger attack number, the same exotic that I spent days leveling.

Respect the time I invested in that weapon, in the game. Want to make me grind up to a larger attack number because bigger numbers are better? Fine, add another column of attack boosts to my weapon after I pay the upgrade fee. Don't reset the entire fucking progression on the weapon.

But it is not /*trollface

It is completely new weapon/gear, forged to go over 300+

You can perfectly keep your original weapon/gear in the upgraded state and wait for new version (let us call it V.2) to either drop or become available to buy.

Those are not the same two items.

Basically, you get a option to get a completely new version because you are owner of the old onw. However, since it is a new version, it has to be upgraded, because it is NEW

Logical. Shrugs.

 

[GlamFM]

The wasted effort is compared to people who didn't upgrade their exotics. They are better off, while the people that spend hundreds of hours levelling everything get zero benefit from it. That's wasted effort, textbook style.

It's wasted when I could have just let my exotic sit in my vault untouched, and literally pay 7000 glimmer to have a gun with more damage potential then one I spent hours and materials on upgrading.

See, I don´t fucking care what other people do with their exotics.

 

[140.85]

But why should you get them for free?

It´s a new exotic after all.

Nobody minds having to work towards higher damage. That's fine.

 

[Jinjo]

See, I don´t fucking care what other people do with their exotics.

So high and mighty of you. I don't care about that either, I care what happens with my exotics. It devalues my personal time investment in this game. It does for everyone that upgraded their exotics. Maybe you have all the time in the fucking world and will do it gladly all over again because you have nothing better to do, but I do.

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I can play that game too bro, gg