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Why does anyone use more than one exotic if they all have the same Light level or attack rating?

People like the way some guns look better than others, or if they have better or different perks that suit their playstyle more. This particularly comes into play with class armor, where perks can directly benefit super abilities.

Exotics in Dark Below will have entirely new types of perks, which I would hope will elevate them over vanilla exotics.

 

[Omegasquash]

Because you aren't owed these guns from Bungie. They are new guns. Carrying over your progress would just be easy mode to the best level 32 weapons in the game.

It's ridiculous to think that if you turn in your maxxed exotic that you should receive a maxxed 32 exotic back.

That's not what's being said. We're talking perks, not damage. No one expects to not have to earn what's new, they just don't want to have to re-earn shit they've already earned, that's all.

 

[Z3M0G]

Sounds like they should upgrade with the perks active, and just allow you to upgrade the damage further. Or give new perks perhaps, on top of the already active old ones?

 

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Yes he did waste his marks. You need to turn in one commendation to be allowed to buy a single item from the crucible vendor. Gear is still bought using marks.

Where is this confirmed? Everything I've read leads me to believe that Crucible Commendations are a new currency for Dark Below gear. Currencies generally change when a new raid tier is released, to prevent people from hoarding the old currency to buy all the new gear on Day 1 of the new tier.

 

[Kodros]

That's not what's being said. We're talking perks, not damage. No one expects to not have to earn what's new, they just don't want to have to re-earn shit they've already earned, that's all.

It's a new level 32 exotic with the same name. There is nothing to re-earn since they never earned anything on the level 32 weapon.

 

[lt519]

bumping for new page; will pre-existing exotic bounties now give the new exotic weapon when turned in? I have the Bad Juju bounty done but don't want to turn it in if it's going to cost me a shard in a week.

 

[Izuna]

Because you aren't owed these guns from Bungie. They are new guns. Carrying over your progress would just be easy mode to the best level 32 weapons in the game.

It's ridiculous to think that if you turn in your maxxed exotic that you should receive a maxxed 32 exotic back.

"It's ridiculous if you think your progress should be carried over to the DLC. Should have just collected the weapons and never used them. In fact, for this next DLC, don't bother. Just use only Legendaries that will be obsolete in the next DLC as we upgrade the ATK on exotics again, making it pointless for you to level anything." ?

 

[cakely]

I recognise a couple posters who have never stated anything in any of these patches has been wrong. I spend a couple hours checking. I won't name names but sometimes a patch for an exploit or even things that have been reversed like the Vex being debuffed and buffed have both been praised.

I think it's less strange that people who hate these changes are still playing, than people who defend every damn decision Bungie makes. To clarify, you aren't who I looked at GlamFM.

I eagerly await the results of your inquisition. If there's one thing that that Destiny doesn't need is players that won't implode in a blind range every time a patch is announced.

 

[cilonen]

Where is this confirmed? Everything I've read leads me to believe that Crucible Commendations are a new currency for Dark Below gear. Currencies generally change when a new raid tier is released, to prevent people from hoarding the old currency to buy all the new gear on Day 1 of the new tier.

Bungie's clarifying blog post

In addition to Crucible or Vanguard Marks, purchasing new Legendary items will require a Crucible or Vanguard Commendation
Commendations are received in Reputation Reward Packages delivered by the Postmaster upon reaching a new Reputation Level

http://www.bungie.net/7_The-Dark-Below-Preview/en/News/News?aid=12442

Edit: it's not just Dark Below gear unfortunately. With the expansion all legendaries are changing for all players regardless whether they bought the expansion. The new level cap for the vanilla game is 32.

 

[Mindlog]

Because the Exotic armours enable other play styles and the weapons do the same by offering unique benefits. I haven't hit 30 but I've been having a blast since I've gotten a few exotic armours levelled. I have Helm of Saint 14 for blinding bubbles of awesome, Armamentarium for grenade party times, something light helm for free Titan smash perks in PVP, et, etc. The guns especially change play, IB melts NF strikes for fun and is essential for soloing high level content without using reloads every 5 mins, TLW is cowboy pistol fun time, Suros is great for PVP and I've heard Gjallerhorn is a little useful (goddammit Xur sell it again).

People like the way some guns look better than others, or if they have better or different perks that suit their playstyle more. This particularly comes into play with class armor, where perks can directly benefit super abilities.

Exotics in Dark Below will have entirely new types of perks, which I would hope will elevate them over vanilla exotics.

Exactly.

Well, if they don't release a DLC pack with better and more desirable weapons then they've pretty genuinely fucked up. The desire to re-level Exotics will probably decrease pretty significantly once people start getting Legendary drops that max at 332 with much less of an XP grind.

It seems to me that this is a solution to allow people to keep a few of their very favorite exotics around while adding new ones to their collection. Other people mistakenly view this as "OMG I HAVE TO RE-LEVEL EVERY SINGLE EXOTIC I HAVE ACQUIRED!"

Better and more desirable doesn't have to be tied to a higher attack rating and retreading old grind.

 

[Kodros]

"It's ridiculous if you think your progress should be carried over to the DLC. Should have just collected the weapons and never used them. In fact, for this next DLC, don't bother. Just use only Legendaries that will be obsolete in the next DLC as we upgrade the ATK on exotics again, making it pointless for you to level anything." ?

So you get no enjoyment out of the exotics, or any weapons, until it is fully maxed?

 

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Bungie's clarifying blog post



http://www.bungie.net/7_The-Dark-Below-Preview/en/News/News?aid=12442

That didn't clarify anything for me though. Is a Commendation merely a prerequisite for buying post-TDB Crucible gear? Or is it the currency itself?

Better and more desirable doesn't have to be tied to a higher attack rating and retreading old grind.

If new weapons aren't objectively better, most people will view them as an unnecessary sidegrade. Unless they have some kind of overpowered and indispensable perk (Icebreaker).

 

[Lalalandia]

So you get no enjoyment out of the exotics, or any weapons, until it is fully maxed?

PI is a slow charging small mage fusion for hours until perk 2, most armour pieces are underwhelming until perk 2. No one is asking for free +31 atk or free +Light just that our existing time investment isn't pissed on. If you have the free time to make up for weeks of lost kit xp bully for you but for me to enjoy the range of choices I do today is months of play.

 

[Haruko]

It's ridiculous to think that if you turn in your maxxed exotic that you should receive a maxxed 32 exotic back.

I agree, but it's not ridiculous to not want to have to re-grind to unlock the gun bonus effects one has already unlocked, or to not want to have to spend another exotic shard if they've already put one into their level 30 gun.

There are ways to resolve this fairly that don't involve extremes of instant "max 30 for max 32" trade-ins.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

That didn't clarify anything for me though. Is a Commendation merely a prerequisite for buying post-TDB Crucible gear? Or is it the currency itself?

I think it is pretty clear:

In addition to Crucible or Vanguard Marks, purchasing new Legendary items will require a Crucible or Vanguard Commendation

The new means TDB level weapons and armor. Not old vanilla weapons and armor.

 

[cilonen]

That didn't clarify anything for me though. Is a Commendation merely a prerequisite for buying post-TDB Crucible gear? Or is it the currency itself?



If new weapons aren't objectively better, most people will view them as an unnecessary sidegrade. Unless they have some kind of overpowered and indispensable perk (Icebreaker).

It's a prerequisite for buying post-expansion legendaries of any kind! The old ones we have now will be gone from the vendors. You still need marks too.

What I don't know is if the other factions (DO, NM or FWC) accept the crucible commendation or not. I would assume they do.

Existing Legendary gear on display in the Tower will be replaced
New Legendary gear will feature higher Attack and Defense values
Legendary items will still require Ascendant Materials for upgrades
This new, more powerful gear will be available to all players of Destiny
Legendary gear will not be as powerful as new Raid gear or Exotics

 

[Lalalandia]

That didn't clarify anything for me though. Is a Commendation merely a prerequisite for buying post-TDB Crucible gear? Or is it the currency itself?

The 'in addition to' line implies that the cost will be X Marks + 1 x Vanguard/Crucible commendation

 

[Izuna]

I eagerly await the results of your inquisition. If there's one thing that that Destiny doesn't need is players that won't implode in a blind range every time a patch is announced.

I think people should simply be left to their opinions, whether they are imploding or not, but like Daaj on twitter, there is always posts that are pretty much "no you see, it's not that bad look at the info" mixed with "lol it's an MMO though".

Resetting our progress and a higher ATK stats only serves to have more grind for players. They won't be more powerful or have more choices/abilities because of it, but instead will only be restricted. It's paid DLC 3 months in that is locking itself away until we rinse the same stuff over and over, like how we needed to be LV26-27 to do the Raid the first time. It took that long for my brother who has played more than occasionally to finally reach a LV to even do the initial Raid. That's fine and whatever, but it was only possible because of the Vanguard Marks giving him Legendary Armour. I also had to "boost" him through Nightfalls and stuff so he had the coins to buy a Legendary gear. With this patch, and I think he is still LV3 Vanguard, it means he is basically stuck out from levelling the way he did before.

The last patch was a step in the right direction. People were happy. It brought people back to the game. No one complained it was "too easy" to level Exotics without ass mats. So why do Bungie not see that people want to be rewarded for their time? It's because their £20 DLC has one strike and one raid, that will probably be cheesed in the first week.

Hard VoG Templar can STILL be cheesed. They can't patch them out because they know if you forced people to actually fight in boss rooms with no tethering or safe zones it would basically be borderline impossible, so the game boils down to patience and time.

So you get no enjoyment out of the exotics, or any weapons, until it is fully maxed?

Without their perks they're kinda shite no? Pocket Infinity is horrible to use until you get the perk for it, and TLW is just a shit Handcannon before perks are unlocked. Universal Remote is a shit shotgun without them etc etc.

 

[Mindlog]

If new weapons aren't objectively better, most people will view them as an unnecessary sidegrade. Unless they have some kind of overpowered and indispensable perk (Icebreaker).

OK.

 

[Ralemont]

So you get no enjoyment out of the exotics, or any weapons, until it is fully maxed?

Thorn is not an enjoyable weapon until you get its special perk. The perks are what make exotics useful, and therefore enjoyable to use over Legendary counterparts, in the first place.

I haven't leveled Thorn because it's fucking awful compared to TDYK for example until you get its special perk.

 

[Hiko]

Where is this confirmed? Everything I've read leads me to believe that Crucible Commendations are a new currency for Dark Below gear. Currencies generally change when a new raid tier is released, to prevent people from hoarding the old currency to buy all the new gear on Day 1 of the new tier.

It's not a new currency. Currency is still marks. You need to turn a commendation before you're allowed to buy something using your marks. You still need to be at rank 2 or 3 to buy gear. A commendation is acquired by ranking up. Ranking up is still done by grinding reputation.

Bungie figured everyone already has their factions of choice leveled up to at least rank three and that they've already bought most or all of the gear they wanted to buy and are sitting on a bunch of unused marks. So those are no longer progress gates. They added this commendation system as a way to slow down progress.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

It's a new level 32 exotic with the same name. There is nothing to re-earn since they never earned anything on the level 32 weapon.

They wouldn't call it an "upgrade" if that was they're mentality. They'd call it a "trade in".

Hell, why let your guardian be capable of getting to level 32? You should have to spend glimmer and shards so that you could reset restart a new guardian in the same class that's now capable of the new level cap. It's a new guardian. It's not re-earning anything since you never earned experience for that guardian.

Or you can just start a new guardian from scratch that can get to 32. Either or. Whatever.

 

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What I don't know is if the other factions (DO, NM or FWC) accept the crucible commendation or not. I would assume they do.

I did some googling. Future War Cult already requires a Crucible Commendation for some of their gear (this is apparently the result of a bug). So I suspect that after Dark Below launches the other factions will accept them too.

I hope they're going to make leveling Vanguard/Crucible a helluva lot easier, if it's going to take an entire rank just to get 1 piece of gear.

So glad I'm on the verge of leveling Crucible to 4. Just gonna let that sit there until Dark Below drops

 

[cilonen]

They wouldn't call it an "upgrade" if that was they're mentality. They'd call it a "trade in".

Hell, why let your guardian be capable of getting to level 32? You should have to spend glimmer and shards so that you could reset restart a new guardian in the same class that's now capable of the new level cap. It's a new guardian. It's not re-earning anything since you never earned experience for that guardian.

Only if they're handing out the free drugs necessary for the 'story' to make sense the second time through.

 

[joecanada]

Well duh the new dlc gear is suppose to be way better than your current gear. Yall should be happy Bungie is even letting you upgrade your current gear a bit further.

ya you should be happy bungie even let you buy their game you ingrates !!!

 

[cilonen]

I did some googling. Future War Cult already requires a Crucible Commendation for some of their gear (this is apparently the result of a bug). So I suspect that after Dark Below launches the other factions will accept them too.

I hope they're going to make leveling Vanguard/Crucible a helluva lot easier, if it's going to take an entire rank just to get 1 piece of gear.

So glad I'm on the verge of leveling Crucible to 4. Just gonna let that sit there until Dark Below drops

Yeah, I'm doing the same with Vanguard. As Hiko said, they needed new progression gates for us.

 

[Hiko]

I did some googling. Future War Cult already requires a Crucible Commendation for some of their gear (this is apparently the result of a bug). So I suspect that after Dark Below launches the other factions will accept them too.

I hope they're going to make leveling Vanguard/Crucible a helluva lot easier, if it's going to take an entire rank just to get 1 piece of gear.

So glad I'm on the verge of leveling Crucible to 4. Just gonna let that sit there until Dark Below drops

They won't. That would defeat the whole point of the commendation. The point is to make people grind like crazy for one piece of gear. You will need to grind 2500 rep every single time you want to buy something.

If they wanted things to be easy and quick, this entire DLC would be handled differently.

 

[Mindlog]

I did some googling. Future War Cult already requires a Crucible Commendation for some of their gear (this is apparently the result of a bug). So I suspect that after Dark Below launches the other factions will accept them too.

That's incorrect too. There was a bug with upgrading one of the FWC armors because of a misspelling. It had nothing to do with commendations. I have all of my factions at 3 except Dead Orbit which is much higher.

 

[Kodros]

They wouldn't call it an "upgrade" if that was they're mentality. They'd call it a "trade in".

Hell, why let your guardian be capable of getting to level 32? You should have to spend glimmer and shards so that you could reset restart a new guardian in the same class that's now capable of the new level cap. It's a new guardian. It's not re-earning anything since you never earned experience for that guardian.

Or you can just start a new guardian from scratch that can get to 32. Either or. Whatever.

Upgrading simply means you are getting a better item than what you have.

The restarting your character is a ridiculous argument.

 

[cilonen]

They won't. That would defeat the whole point of the commendation. The point is to make people grind like crazy for one piece of gear. You will need to grind 2500 rep every single time you want to buy something.

If they wanted things to be easy and quick, this entire DLC would be handled differently.

Or, you could look at it from the angle that they're just doing it so we'll only have one or two TDB legendaries to be pissed about by the time the second expansion hits next year

 

[Kodros]

PI is a slow charging small mage fusion for hours until perk 2, most armour pieces are underwhelming until perk 2. No one is asking for free +31 atk or free +Light just that our existing time investment isn't pissed on. If you have the free time to make up for weeks of lost kit xp bully for you but for me to enjoy the range of choices I do today is months of play.

You existing time investment will constantly be pissed on in a game based on loot and levels. You will be replacing all of the gear you currently use by the end of this DLC. And then the same thing will happen next DLC.

 

[Lalalandia]

Upgrading simply means you are getting a better item than what you have.

The restarting your character is a ridiculous argument.

Why? You lose the perks you would get from your char just as you will your exotics. If arbitrarily forcing you to dump hours of grind is good for the goose why not the gander?

You existing time investment will constantly be pissed on in a game based on loot and levels. You will be replacing all of the gear you currently use by the end of this DLC. And then the same thing will happen next DLC.

Which is why I don't play those games and never would have played this one if they were up front with their 'fuck your free time' attitude. Also you don't need to XP grind gear in most loot games instead the better thing is better straight away to encourage you to use it and drop it when the better tool drops. This is not a normal loot game, BL is a loot game and it managed multiple expansions w/o this bullshit.

 

[Mindwipe]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Upgraded weapons only matters when you are doing hard mode raid, which no one will be doing for a while anyway. For everything else, your normal weapons are fine.

Level 25 ish players are fucked, because the route to obtain Legendary weapons was doubled or tripped in length.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Upgrading simply means you are getting a better item than what you have.

The restarting your character is a ridiculous argument.

It's an extreme example to illustrate my point. In a game where your weapons are more or less the equivalent to skills in other loot/level style games and have the largest affect on the style of gameplay, resetting those skills to a point where you have to re-earn them is a big deal and similar to resetting your subclass.

I've already said many times, the main problem is that it doesn't matter if you have a fully maxed exotic or a brand new one. Upgrading gets the same result. There are ways to respect that time while still making it a trade off for upgrading. The original post you replied to was a suggestion for doing that.

 

[hawk2025]

What happens if I currently have an exotic bounty that's almost finished?

Should I wait to finish it up?

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Upgrading simply means you are getting a better item than what you have.

The restarting your character is a ridiculous argument.

It's more XP, but exactly the same in every other way.

 

[cilonen]

Level 25 ish players are fucked, because the route to obtain Legendary weapons was doubled or tripped in length.

Yes. Eris will have new legendaries too which you'll need Eris rep to buy and there's been no word on her needing a commendation, but from the database leaks it looks like there's only one piece per class (it's gauntlets for Titan IIRC) but they do have re rollable perks.

 

[Heroman]

WHy is there so much grinding, Grinding is the worst part of this game and they keep on making it worst.

 

[KingV]

Yeah, I'm doing the same with Vanguard. As Hiko said, they needed new progression gates for us.

Or they could just make all the new shit more expensive, like 125-150. That would still limit everyone to at best two pieces per week.

 

[Nephtes]

What happens if I currently have an exotic bounty that's almost finished?

Should I wait to finish it up?

I'd like to know the answer to this as well....

Will the bounty spit out an Exotic or an Exotic +1 post Dark Below?

 

[duessano]

Yeah right! Let´s just pay for better stuff and get rid of all the gameplay in between.

Seems brilliant, we need a catchy term for that.

"Pay2win" - how does that sound to you?



I´ll keep an eye on that in the OT

How is that pay2win when Bungie can make the upgrades free? They already bought the damn game and expansions.

 

[cilonen]

Or they could just make all the new shit more expensive, like 125-150. That would still limit everyone to at best two pieces per week.

I think that's too fast for them. You can only level every 1.5 weeks roughly if you do every bounty every day, maybe a little faster. Including daily stories and weekly heroics.

Of course your suggestion makes far too much sense to be in the game

 

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That's incorrect too. There was a bug with upgrading one of the FWC armors because of a misspelling. It had nothing to do with commendations. I have all of my factions at 3 except Dead Orbit which is much higher.

So does every piece of gear require a Commendation that is then exchanged?

Or does the Commendation merely act as a prerequisite that is never consumed? That would simply make it a way of tracking ranks post-TDB, rather than a currency.

 

[benicillin]

I'd like to know the answer to this as well....

Will the bounty spit out an Exotic or an Exotic +1 post Dark Below?

It will just be a regular exotic. It will always cost a shard to upgrade a tier 1 exotic to a tier 2 exotic. The only gun in base Destiny that doesn't cost a shard to be tier 2 is the Mythoclast.

 

[Acorn]

Is mythoclast safe to upgrade?

 

[benicillin]

Is mythoclast safe to upgrade?

Yes, Mythoclast is fine.

 

[Mutanthands]

So does every piece of gear require a Commendation that is then exchanged?

Or does the Commendation merely act as a prerequisite that is never consumed? That would simply make it a way of tracking ranks post-TDB, rather than a currency.

The wording implies that you get a commendation with each level up, which points toward them being consumable.

Bungie is really rubbibg me the wrong way with the new legendary gear system. More so than the exotics. It really hurts the people with less time to play. And if you are new, forget it, it's going to take forever to properly gear up to even think about raiding. And with the Daily heroic and Nightfall going up two levels, instead of adding a new difficulty tier...

That's the real story here.

 

[benicillin]

The wording implies that you get a commendation with each level up, which points toward them being consumable.

Bungie is really rubbibg me the wrong way with the new legendary gear system. More so than the exotics. It really hurts the people with less time to play. And if you are new, forget it, it's going to take forever to properly gear up to even think about raiding. And with the Daily heroic and Nightfall going up two levels, instead of adding a new difficulty tier...

That's the real story here.

The new gear is going to probably going to be able to get you to 30 or 31 though, so that's probably why they decided to gate it - so you can't just hit rank 3 of Vanguard and buy up all the gear to go up multiple levels at once. Everything about the last few updates actually makes it easier for newer players to get up to speed - less grinding for materials, exotics don't require ascendant materials to farm, etc.

 

[Micromegas]

Why can't any of this stuff be simple?

Poor design choices.

It's like Bungie took the most unappealing parts of MMOs and Shooters and made a game: Farming crafting materials, grinding (oh fucking hate it), closing off high-level content to playlists, bland PVP maps, bland PVP.

Want to love this game so much, but... why couldn't they take fun parts of MMOs + Shooters and made _that_ game?

 

[Mindlog]

So does every piece of gear require a Commendation that is then exchanged?

Or does the Commendation merely act as a prerequisite that is never consumed? That would simply make it a way of tracking ranks post-TDB, rather than a currency.

As far as I know...

Whether you purchase the DLC or not ALL of the current Legendary gear is being replaced next week. To buy anything you will need faction rep, a commendation pack (redundant currencies) and the relevant crucible or vanguard marks. It's like reforging in Iron Banner.

Note to everyone that intends to keep playing. Increase your light level before buying the 'better' guns. Yes, it is going to take a lot of commendation packs.