Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER

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Hours Left said:
Abel and Juri are definitely the standouts of SFIV, I have no doubt they'll be in. I think C. Viper is probably a safe bet too.
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See, I think Viper's probably third on the SF4 list but way, way down on the overall list. Not just in popularity with players, but in things like story - her story is closed really unless they choose to open it back up, whereas there's obviously more Abel/Charlie/Guile story to tell hinted at in SF4, and Juri was given the honour of being made important enough to actually be the key cog of SF4 - in the 'canon' plot, she kills Seth and takes over SIN, so again, more to do there.

Can't believe I'm posting about SF 'lore' in a semi-serious fashion.
 
Zophar said:
Weirdos only. Put in Ryu/Ken/Chun, but fill the rest of the slots with Oro, Necro, Juri, El Fuerte, Hakan, Dhalsim, R. Mika, Poison, Rose, Ingrid, Urien, and Q. Newbies should be sufficiently strange and removed from the Shoto/grappler conventions, too. The fewer real-life fighting styles on display, the better!
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I'm on the other side and hope this wont happen lol. Q, Mika and some others are cool, but i dont want it to become Weirdo Fighter :P One of the reasons why i like KOFs character design is because most of 'em are just dudes. Imagine the Kof98 Cover with SF characters. Need a pic of Blanka and Sagat in suits now!
 
APZonerunner said:
See, I think Viper's probably third on the SF4 list but way, way down on the overall list. Not just in popularity with players, but in things like story - her story is closed really unless they choose to open it back up, whereas there's obviously more Abel/Charlie/Guile story to tell hinted at in SF4, and Juri was given the honour of being made important enough to actually be the key cog of SF4 - in the 'canon' plot, she kills Seth and takes over SIN, so again, more to do there.

Can't believe I'm posting about SF 'lore' in a semi-serious fashion.
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I love fighting game stories (I know), so no worries.

C. Viper was the poster girl of IV before Juri, and I think Capcom in general feel pretty highly of her. I think she'll make it in simply due to her "cool" factor.
 
APZonerunner said:
See, I think Viper's probably third on the SF4 list but way, way down on the overall list. Not just in popularity with players, but in things like story - her story is closed really unless they choose to open it back up, whereas there's obviously more Abel/Charlie/Guile story to tell hinted at in SF4, and Juri was given the honour of being made important enough to actually be the key cog of SF4 - in the 'canon' plot, she kills Seth and takes over SIN, so again, more to do there.

Can't believe I'm posting about SF 'lore' in a semi-serious fashion.
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I have a weird interest in SF stories and I hope to see some sort of developpement in the
Abel/Nash/Guile with V. I want Abel in if only for that reason.
I didn't know Juri taking over S.I.N. was cannon, though. Good to know, and more reason for her to make her comeback :-)
Also on a side note I kinda wished we were done with the Satsui no Hadou thing, but I guess it's a long shot.
 
Hours Left said:
Any excuse to post this man. Dammit Capcom, just do it.
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yes. do it.

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Depending on the exact timeline, Mel is around five. He's not going to be playable any time soon while Capcom are being conservative.
 
Assuming 40 characters would be the total number of characters across all iterations:

The ideal would be mostly newcomers. So 10 SF4 vets + 10 SF3/Alpha vets (mainly SF3) + Mike Haggar and Santamu, and then the rest would be new characters.

Failing that. 10 SF4 vets, Ryu, Ken, Chunners and Akuma included + most of the SF3 cast, + the remaining Alpha cast sans Juni/Juli, then Mike Haggar, Santamu, and the rest newcomers.

Or failing that. 9 SF2 vets, 9 alpha vets, 9 SF3 vets, 4 SF4 vets and 9 newcomers. Or some slight variant that'll add up to 40.

Retire the SSF2 cast. There are only so many super slaps, tigers and yoga fires I can take. The whole "SF3 was mostly new characters and tanked" business is just meaningless twaddle. There are many, more sensible reasons why SF3 tanked. Tekken 3 was mostly newcomers and it's the best-selling non-Smash fighter (although SF2 might have more versions across the board in total). But Street Fighter is doing well now, and thanks to SF4 people have gotten used to a lot of different characters. There is no point in playing safe. If they had played safe back then they would have been mostly out of characters now and would either have to recycle the SF4 cast or be forced to include mostly new ones anyway.
 
Sesha said:
Retire the SSF2 cast. There are only so many super slaps, tigers and yoga fires I can take. The whole "SF3 was mostly new characters and tanked" business is just meaningless twaddle. There are many, more sensible reasons why SF3 tanked. Tekken 3 was mostly newcomers and it's the best-selling non-Smash fighter (although SF2 might have more versions across the board in total). But Street Fighter is doing well now, and thanks to SF4 people have gotten used to a lot of different characters. There is no point in playing safe. If they had played safe back then they would have been mostly out of characters now and would either have to recycle the SF4 cast or be forced to include mostly new ones anyway.
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The very last thing current Capcom is likely to do is retire any of the original 8 + Bison 4. Cammy's probably immune too just due to being the second most recognizable lady. They're still banking on a lot of those SF2 memories and loves, after all.

Could easily lose Dee Jay, T. Hawk & Fei, though.
 
APZonerunner said:
The very last thing current Capcom is likely to do is retire any of the original 8 + Bison 4. Cammy's probably immune too just due to being the second most recognizable lady. They're still banking on a lot of those SF2 memories and loves, after all.

Could easily lose Dee Jay, T. Hawk & Fei, though.
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The damn near did it before and I hope they do it again. Third Strike still feels fresher than SFIV in the roster department.
 
Rayge said:
The damn near did it before and I hope they do it again. Third Strike still feels fresher than SFIV in the roster department.
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It was a different world, and in many senses SF3 was viewed as a failure compared to SF2 and later SF4, and a huge part of the backlash was a lack of the OG cast. I honestly don't expect it to happen again. I think this'll be like SF4.

SF4 was hardly barren for newcomers. SF4 was:
Returning: Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, E. Honda, Blanka, Zangief, Guile, Dhalsim, Balrog, Vega, Sagat, M. Bison and Akuma.
New: Abel, C. Viper, El Fuerte, Rufus, Seth & Gouken.
Added for Console Release: Dan, Fei Long, Sakura, Cammy, Gen, and Rose.

That's nearly a third newcomers on the original release, and 25% on the console release with its added Super/Alpha characters. I think that's pretty reasonable, and if SF5's initial release is about the same number of characters & newcomers, I'll be pretty happy, to be honest. So long as the existing cast are decently adjusted and given new properties by the new systems, anyway.

The newcomer % was decent on the original SF4, it's just that Super, AE & Ultra all made that overall percentage tank relatively speaking.
 
I have a feeling that all twelve of the original Street Fighter II's world warriors will be in from the jump. SF3 was extremely popular with hardcore fighting fans, but I think the lack of most of the iconic SF2 characters hurt it quite a bit as far as sales potential went, and the fact that SF4 was/is so hugely popular is, in part, due to that nostalgic familiarity of those twelve characters. Outside of that, I expect Akuma, some SF3 characters that didn't make it into SF4, some Alpha characters we didn't get, the remaining couple of Final Fight characters that haven't shown up in SF4 yet, and a bunch of new ones.
 
Is there any info on when SFV is supposed to be taking place? I thought I read something about it being between SFIII and SFIV but I'm not sure about the accuracy of that. It would help with narrowing down the roster a bit.

thetrin said:
My hope: all new characters outside of Ryu, Ken and Chun Li. Get dangerous with the lineup.
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They actually want this game to be successful though.

:P
 
give me no more than 4 shoto characters and I'll be happy. shit is getting ridiculous.

and none of this "evil" bullshit version of character padding either!

I'd love some more SF3 reps Oro, Q and Alex especially. I'd also love to see a mostly fresh cast.
 
I noticed Ryu and Chun-Li had unique visual motifs for their charged attacks in the trailer (lightning and water respectively), which leads me to speculate that the other characters will be ones that have some obvious elemental affinity or visual theme. Ken+Fire or Guile+Wind, for instance.
 
If the other thread's rumor that the game will launch with 16, I see 8 from SF2 and the rest being a mix of new characters and the other games. 16 is a believable number as the SF4 arcade original had 16 (17 with a time unlocked Akuma).

Here's my stab at the roster with a cap of 16.

1. Ryu
2. Chun-Li
3. Zangief
4. Guile
5. Dhalsim
6. Cammy
7. Ken
8. Bison
9. Alex
10. Makoto
11. Cody
12. R. Mika
13-16: New Challengers

I picked this list based on a mix of popularity, variety of playstyles, Ono's personal wishes (R. Mika) and characters that were missing from SF4.

This list doesn't include inevitable bosses and secret characters. I also only threw Ken in because he's been in every single Street Fighter, like Ryu.
 
TomcatTheLion said:
Is there any info on when SFV is supposed to be taking place? I thought I read something about it being between SFIII and SFIV but I'm not sure about the accuracy of that. It would help with narrowing down the roster a bit.
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Yes SF4 takes place between SF2 and 3. I think maybe a year after 2? My memory is hazy atm but I think SF3 took place like 5ish years after 2.
 
C.Viper is imo the best new character in IV. As for returning characters... give me my Necro back and Urien.

Edit: On when V takes place in the timeline: Ryu uses a denjin hadouken which we only saw in 3s. So either after or right before 3.
 
Cutting Characters are difficult because the hardcore dudes are often character loyalists and generally play THAT character in every game and cutting them makes it so they often don't even want to play the game. SF3 was great but the cuts probably hurt it a bit...especially since the replacements weren't the same and or sucked (IMO).


The fact that I play most of the cast (very poorly), I don't want many cuts but at the same time....it is getting pretty crazy. 16 is a little to low for my (selfish) tastes but 20-22 is probably just right...just enough variety and should allow for most fighting styles to be in the game.

Locks (IMO):
Ryu
Ken
Chun
Akuma (even if late...you gotta have Akuma yo).
Bison (He's still alive so he probably is the boss of the game)

Should Bes
Guile
Gief
Yun/Yang (the reveal looks so close to their stage...plus easy padding)
Vega and Rog (if there is a Bison...)

The Rest
Another Grappler
Rekka Character
Sim standing...or just Sim
Blanka (fuuuuuuuuck)
Joke Character (or just Dan)
4 New Guys (if they don't fall into the previous categories)
Probably another Shoto (Sean?)

I just hope the final cast has something for every playstyle...
 
Muchi Muchi Pink said:
C.Viper is imo the best new character in IV. As for returning characters... give me my Necro back and Urien.

Edit: On when V takes place in the timeline: Ryu uses a denjin hadouken which we only saw in 3s. So either after or right before 3.
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Apparently right before.

Little upset they we still haven't move passed 3s but hey, maybe as soon as we do we can get old man Ryu.

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Sesha said:
Assuming 40 characters would be the total number of characters across all iterations:

The ideal would be mostly newcomers. So 10 SF4 vets + 10 SF3/Alpha vets (mainly SF3) + Mike Haggar and Santamu, and then the rest would be new characters.

Failing that. 10 SF4 vets, Ryu, Ken, Chunners and Akuma included + most of the SF3 cast, + the remaining Alpha cast sans Juni/Juli, then Mike Haggar, Santamu, and the rest newcomers.

Or failing that. 9 SF2 vets, 9 alpha vets, 9 SF3 vets, 4 SF4 vets and 9 newcomers. Or some slight variant that'll add up to 40.

Retire the SSF2 cast. There are only so many super slaps, tigers and yoga fires I can take. The whole "SF3 was mostly new characters and tanked" business is just meaningless twaddle. There are many, more sensible reasons why SF3 tanked. Tekken 3 was mostly newcomers and it's the best-selling non-Smash fighter (although SF2 might have more versions across the board in total). But Street Fighter is doing well now, and thanks to SF4 people have gotten used to a lot of different characters. There is no point in playing safe. If they had played safe back then they would have been mostly out of characters now and would either have to recycle the SF4 cast or be forced to include mostly new ones anyway.
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And the almost completely new roster is one of those reasons.
 
Jeeze, 16 sounds crazy. I'd be surprised if it's not, like, 50+% of the Ultra cast and then 4-8 newcomers including older characters like Urien and Karin making their 3D debuts.
 
16 characters rumour is extremely disappointing. If that's the case the game better come out earlier (fall 2015 the latest) and at $40 instead of $60. Then have seasons similar to Killer Instinct, perhaps 2 seasons a year consisting of 8 characters per season.

If the rumour is true I would like the game to launch with the following characters.

1. Ryu
2. Chunli
3. Ken
4. Cammy
5. Sagat
6. Abel
7. Juri
8. Alex
9. Urien
10. Ibuki
11. Makoto
12. Dudley
13. Karin
14. Hagger
15. Remy
16. Hugo
 
When it's all said and done, I'll take 100 shotos or the SF2 cast 10 times over something like Lucky Chloe. Hell, not even Ingrid is that bad.

Neoxon said:
And the almost completely new roster is one of those reasons.
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Arcades dying outside of Japan, 3D fighters being more popular, Capcom oversaturating the market with countless SFs, Marvels and what have yous, lack of console port outside of the fucking Dreamcast of all things.

No, you're totally right, it was the roster when no popular fighting game series with a mostly new roster has ever tanked in the way SF3 did.
 
16 makes sense with this game going directly to PS4/PC. SF4 Vanilla launched with 16 + Akuma as a secret in the arcades. Seth and Gouken weren't even playable. Console version launched with 25. If the rumours about sequels not happening this time around are true we can expect to see characters added in quick succession after launch.
 
CountAntonius said:
They won't go crazy and add mostly new characters. Capcom considered what they did with SFIII a huge mistake that almost killed the franchise for them. They'll play it safe.


His son Datta! Along with Mel Masters I'd love to see some of the children take over their parents styles.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT

Dhalsim has a son?
 
Sesha said:
When it's all said and done, I'll take 100 shotos or the SF2 cast 10 times over something like Lucky Chloe. Hell, not even Ingrid is that bad.



Arcades dying outside of Japan, 3D fighters being more popular, Capcom oversaturating the market with countless SFs, Marvels and what have yous, lack of console port outside of the fucking Dreamcast of all things.

No, you're totally right, it was the roster when no popular fighting game series with a mostly new roster has ever tanked in the way SF3 did.
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I said one of the reasons, not the reason.
 
Did Ono say the roster is 16? I saw that number rolling around Twitter today.

APZonerunner said:
See, I think Viper's probably third on the SF4 list but way, way down on the overall list. Not just in popularity with players, but in things like story - her story is closed really unless they choose to open it back up, whereas there's obviously more Abel/Charlie/Guile story to tell hinted at in SF4, and Juri was given the honour of being made important enough to actually be the key cog of SF4 - in the 'canon' plot, she kills Seth and takes over SIN, so again, more to do there.

Can't believe I'm posting about SF 'lore' in a semi-serious fashion.
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Exactly what I was thinking as I read it, haha.
 
Sesha said:
When it's all said and done, I'll take 100 shotos or the SF2 cast 10 times over something like Lucky Chloe. Hell, not even Ingrid is that bad.



Arcades dying outside of Japan, 3D fighters being more popular, Capcom oversaturating the market with countless SFs, Marvels and what have yous, lack of console port outside of the fucking Dreamcast of all things.

No, you're totally right, it was the roster when no popular fighting game series with a mostly new roster has ever tanked in the way SF3 did.
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There were other reasons, but... Garou tanked and ended the series. AoF3 tanked and ended the series. Toshinden Subaru tanked and ended the series. It's possible that SC5 ended the series as we know it. Tekken is pretty much the only one to survive a cast reset, and then it replaced almost everyone eventually.
 
I'd like Oni and Abel back. Can never have too many shotos. Juri can stay too.

El Fuerte can go to Street Fighter Hell.

Viper can stay if they redo her a bit to be less mixup heavy, give her good normals, more footsies.

Bring back the SF3 characters that didn't make it into SFIV like Urien, Q, Oro, Alex, maybe Sean. Makoto, Hugo, Poison, and Dudley should be back from SFIV.
 
I have favorites, but I notice that I main different characters with every major version of the series. Choosing a main really comes down to how I adapt to the new fighting mechanics.

I think I prefer to see new characters created. Then juri, birdie, Q and oro.
 
I don't expect the roster to be more 20-24. I'll be content with 16. Capcom focuses on mechanics first then roster during updates. I don't think they have the man power behind them to make a Tekken sized cast right off the bat.
 
Rayge said:
I don't expect the roster to be more 20-24. I'll be content with 16. Capcom focuses on mechanics first then roster during updates. I don't think they have the man power behind them to make a Tekken sized cast right off the bat.
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I'd be fine with 16 to start with if that's what it takes to get this game out by Spring 2016 or earlier. Just get the game out and in peoples hands and let the hype take over. They can get back in there labs and work on DLC packs or whatever they plan on doing to roll out more characters. And after 3 years or so after release we can settle on 30+ characters which should be satisfying enough for most folks. More is fine by me though. I would love a even larger cast like what we have with USF4.
 
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