Because all movies are based on reality? Crazy amounts of people die in movies all the time without people batting an eyelid.
And before anyone suggests Indie doesn't kill that many people in the movies, take a look.
Neil Druckmann talks about Nathan Drake mass murderer discussion, calls out NeoGAF
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Because all movies are based on reality? Crazy amounts of people die in movies all the time without people batting an eyelid.
And before anyone suggests Indie doesn't kill that many people in the movies, take a look.
Movies are only two hours long. If you had 10+ hour movies, I have no doubt the body count would be just as high.
everyday math
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CyclopsRock
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Totally reasonable to me. For an action game, the action should really be coming first - now, people might complain about the gameplay for gameplay reasons, but personally I have no problems with a happy-go-lucky explorer killings tons of people because I don't need every game to accurately hold a mirror up to reality.
LOL have you watched Rambo or Indiana Jones or any other action movie with guns?
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
and that's exactly how i played it. coolness.
TheLostBigBoss
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err, did you even listen to what he said?
gundamkyoukai
Member
well nothing he says is wrong .
CambriaRising
Member
This shit is bannable, fyi.
If it's an action games (especially some sort of shooter), yes, we accept that we kill lots of dudes. Just as we accept that people in action movies kills a bunch of dudes.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
People are outsmarting themselves with leaps in logic to "mass murderer" classification.
-Pyromaniac-
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He is absolutely right. He also looks like he'd fit in on the walking dead tv show. He should join!
Yes it does...because often the movies it emulates is exaggerating real life.
He's talking about a lot of art in general. Immersion isn't just "is this like my world, does this thing mirror my world?", immersion is about creating something that engages with the audience constantly, where the audience is drawn into what's happening and wants to continue engagement with the art in question.
For some people immersion amounts to dialog and characterization, for others its the attention to detail and how deep someone could look into that world, mechanics and gameplay also tie into that. There isn't a piece of art on this planet that is engaging for every single living person.
For some Nathan Drake's actions aren't desirable for escapism, for others everything in Uncharted drives that feeling of escapism.
For some people immersion amounts to dialog and characterization, for others its the attention to detail and how deep someone could look into that world, mechanics and gameplay also tie into that. There isn't a piece of art on this planet that is engaging for every single living person.
For some Nathan Drake's actions aren't desirable for escapism, for others everything in Uncharted drives that feeling of escapism.
Yeah I can't wrap my head around it. It's incredible.
bananafactory
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I always thought it was just a joke. I don't think there's many people that seriously have a problem with it.
My problem with the action in Uncharted isn't a moral one, it's because it clashes a lot with the tone the game sets and most of all, the games are filled with too many action sequences that last too long while you're dealing with bullet sponges and dodgy stealth. Shorter, more toned down action sequences would serve the game much better imo.
Or he just responded to criticism? LOL
dripdripsplash
Member
Jesus, have you even watched the video, he talks about exactly that point.
Have you ever seen an Indiana Jones or Expendables movie ?
Yeah. I find games where you heal your character instantly by eating 15 apples or 4 loafs of bread far more troubling, but to each his own.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Some body just showed how much people indy kill in his movies and they only 2 hours long.
NullPointer
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Well hell, can't argue with that.
GreyOcelot
Member
it doesn't clash with the tone of the game at all. it's basically the same exact tone as indiana jones, which actually went further with it and incorporated a lot dark humor into some of the killing
Lion Heart
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Agreed with everything he said including "Ignore neogaf whenever you can".
The problem is when you have sequences like in Uncharted 3 where the place is falling down and Drake points out, "Why are you guys still shooting at me? The place is collapsing". And he's absolutely right. The writers recently have been breaking the immersion themselves by pointing this stuff out with a quick line.
The other aspect of this is that the enemies don't act like actual human beings but rather targets to be killed. They don't react after you kill thousands of their comrades or when you're mowing people down left and right. Not to mention the effect that it would have on the person committing those acts.
Interesting, this lead me to see what else on youtube mentioned Gaf and came across this, about to watch while I sit down for some dinner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhaNkHRF8pM
history of neogaf, interview with evillore, seems very informative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhaNkHRF8pM
history of neogaf, interview with evillore, seems very informative
His comparison was very stupid. Next to Nathan Drake, Indy barely kills anyone.
Not that I care about Drake's murders or anything in that debate, but it made no sense.
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Not that I care about Drake's murders or anything in that debate, but it made no sense.
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Did you even read the text in the picture? It means Indy himself killed 45 people in three films.
The Shogun
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BTW the crowd applauds when he says ignore NeoGAF. Come on we're not that bad are we?
Right?
Portugeezer
Member
Sometimes you just have to, for the sake of your own sanity.
The key difference between cinematic action games vs action movies for the most part,
Movie heroes until the final encounter, tend to be more about getting out of a tough situation than killing everyone.
Players are often actively encourage to kill all enemies because they can't progress otherwise
defensive shooting versus offensive.
There are naturally exceptions, but thats how I felt its been like for most games the past gen.
Seems like uncharted 4 will have more freedom around there, but I still imagine there being 'locked arena' scenarios.
Movie heroes until the final encounter, tend to be more about getting out of a tough situation than killing everyone.
Players are often actively encourage to kill all enemies because they can't progress otherwise
defensive shooting versus offensive.
There are naturally exceptions, but thats how I felt its been like for most games the past gen.
Seems like uncharted 4 will have more freedom around there, but I still imagine there being 'locked arena' scenarios.
Why is Druckmann calling out GAF ?
The majority of posters idealize his work and praise it to the heavens,probably more than it deserves anyway.
He gets worshipped around here and that's what GAF gets ?lol
Some other developers get truly destroyed here,Druckmann isn't one of them.
The majority of posters idealize his work and praise it to the heavens,probably more than it deserves anyway.
He gets worshipped around here and that's what GAF gets ?lol
Some other developers get truly destroyed here,Druckmann isn't one of them.
Ultimadrago
Member
"Ignore NeoGAF as much as you can."
Truer words never spoken.
Truer words never spoken.
bananafactory
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To me it's just Drake vs bad guys. I don't overthink it.
But seriously this is the Death Star and ethics speech from Clerks all over again. Many of the people on the Death Star when it blew up could have been independent contractors since it was under construction. Roofers, plumbers, etc. They take the job as it comes because they need the money, but aren't actually part of the evil empire. And those rebel scum killed thousands or millions of them.
But seriously this is the Death Star and ethics speech from Clerks all over again. Many of the people on the Death Star when it blew up could have been independent contractors since it was under construction. Roofers, plumbers, etc. They take the job as it comes because they need the money, but aren't actually part of the evil empire. And those rebel scum killed thousands or millions of them.
snoopeasystreet
Member
I was being a bit reductive with that sentence, yeah. I actually think Uncharted 2 does a decent job of setting up that there's just a load of highly efficient adventures/murders in this world so when Nate does it, it isn't all that out of the ordinary.
I don't have a problem with high body counts in games just like I don't have a problem with high body counts in action movies. My problem is that almost every game in the AAA space takes the act of killing for granted instead of seeing it as a problem that could possibly solved through writing or mechanics. It's not exclusive to Uncharted.
It works because the movie its emulating does the same. Try harder.
cheezcake
Member
That's valuable advice for any game dev
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
As a NeoGAF poster, I agree with his point.
*puts myself on ignore list*
*puts myself on ignore list*
You think Indy's killing number would be closer if his movies lasted 10-15 hours? Have to look at that also.