i wonder why people aren't mentioning the fact that this director is the same director for school days.
hmmm....
well i have hope for this series regardless :3
Edit: JESUS CHRIST he also directed "Because I Don't Like My Big Brother At All!"
All hope is lost. Both of these are... well... High on my most hated anime list.
Damn it second edit:
Found this... like it better than the official one:
For those who don't know:
Daisuke = Davis
Miyako = Yolei
Iori = Cody
The epilogue and odd coupling of characters is the least of 02's problems.
What made the first season for me, is the children's relationships with one another and their "real-world problems". Divorce, adoption, living up to parent's expectations, etc.
02 barely had any of what made the original Adventure special. They go in and out of the Digital World as they please and never really grow as characters (with exception of Ken of course).
Here are my full thoughts on the issue:
Adventure 02 is worth watching. Concepts like DNA-digivolving and human villains are awesome. There is a more morally grey aspect to this season which I enjoyed.
Really, the reason I rage about it so much is that it had the chance to be amazing. I had fond memories of it and was pretty excited coming off the heels of Adventure to rewatch it.
So with that in mind, I present to you the list of bad things in 02:
- Dark Ocean... (Thought I'd get this out of the way.)
- Daisuke is a hot head like Tai, but unlike Tai, never changes. He is always right and when he's not, there is no consequences.
Notice he never has a problem with digivolving, unlike other lead characters in other seasons.
- Miyako is a Mary Sue to Daisuke's Gary Stu. Never learns anything.
- Iori, despite having character development, is the most boring character.
- Miyako should have received the Knowledge Digimental and Iori, Sincerity. Makes a lot more sense for both characters.
- Hikari and Takeru are background. Their involvement lessens as time goes on.
(As Daisuke's interest in Hikari lessens.)
- Ken has way too much time dedicated to his character.
- Blackwargreymon, as cool as he is, is inconsequential to the plot.
- The destiny stone arc is a repeat every episode and means nothing.
- The world tour also *gasp* goes nowhere.
- A ton of other people having Digimon ruins the magic of it.
- Hey, Demon's pretty cool- oh.
- The kids barely have a relationship with each other.
I mean this as in there is no real development between characters. (With exception of Ken and Daisuke.)
When the whole point of DNA digivolving is the relationship between two people, you think this would be pretty important.
- The kids barely have a relationship with their families. (Except Ken and maybe Iori.)
- I'm a little over hating Shakkoumon, but still... Iori and Takeru got shafted.
(Speaking of Takeru, he became a Law-aligned psychopath. Wonder how he plays Shin Megami Tensei games...)
- The girls' "visions" at the end are extremely superficial. It completely takes any good will towards Miyako away.
- Let's not mention the epilogue... I think enough has been said.
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Bringing back Vamdemon weakened the ending and impact of previously morally grey villains.
Xross Wars is divided into three seasons, all in the same world. The first two are basically two parts of the same story, but the final one, Hunters, is a story break with new protagonist and old characters in supporting roles, like 02.
Hunters also has crossovers episodes at the end with all the past heroes appearing, but they're coming from different worlds and that crossover itself ends up rather disappointing since the final episode is almost entirely focused on Hunters' main hero, with everyone else sidelined. It has quite a few good moments before that, but, before that final arc Hunters is likely the most episodic Digimon season ever, with basically no plot at all aside from some brief foreshadowing.
Adventure 2 had way too many problems due to all the writer changes. Hopefully this new season will be far more consistent, and have a higher quality than the past Digimon seasons.
It surprised me how angry I got at 02 after I rewatched it. Adventure got me invested in Digimon again and 02 fell off a cliff. Such a disappointing season. I wouldn't mind if they retcon it.
What we can hope for is that they make a real effort to make this something respectable. They can't want to make a fanservice series or a children's anime. They need to take what the original series did and really expand on it.
Yeah, I know I'm stating the obvious, but its the first step that may well be forgotten or ignored by the producers.
What we can hope for is that they make a real effort to make this something respectable. They can't want to make a fanservice series or a children's anime. They need to take what the original series did and really expand on it.
Yeah, I know I'm stating the obvious, but its the first step that may well be forgotten or ignored by the producers.
I don't remember the villians being grey so much as having sympatetich stories or moments. Then you remember that the main motivation is
an adult wanting to visit the Digital World because grief
an doing that in the most Supervillian and creepy way possible and that the bad guy sideckicks were quite assholes in their first apparences before devolving in Team Rocket after BlackWarGreymon shenigans.
Oh I agree with you, but their motives were hardly in the gray spectrum of morality. Just that the villians of 1 were literal monsters that were threatening most of time (and was awesome in it, in what other show a bunch of kids runing from monkey with sunglasses and a teddy bear will be serious and self doubting moment for the protagonists).
Oh I agree with you, but their motives were hardly in the gray spectrum of morality. Just that the villians of 1 were literal monsters that were threatening most of time (and was awesome in it, in what other show a bunch of kids runing from monkey with sunglasses and a teddy bear will be serious and self doubting moment for the protagonists).
I don't think they ever reached the "true morally grey area" but I think it was heading in the right direction. The season focused more on its villains development than its main cast (to its detriment honestly).
Ken, Blackwargreymon, and even Oikawa are more memorable to me than Adventure's villains (except Vamdemon). I think what 02 was attempting to do was one of the few commendable aspects of the season.
Then Tamers came, shook its head, and said "This is how it's done."
i wonder why people aren't mentioning the fact that this director is the same director for school days.
hmmm....
well i have hope for this series regardless :3
Edit: JESUS CHRIST he also directed "Because I Don't Like My Big Brother At All!"
All hope is lost. Both of these are... well... High on my most hated anime list.
Damn it second edit:
Found this... like it better than the official one:
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This looks infinitely better than the design in the OP.
Feels like the anime is aiming towards a more "mature" audience (not only kids but teenagers and even young adults, since they were kids when the season 1 was aired)
Cencoroll is fantastic by the way, everyone should watch it and pray to the gods that the one man machine behind it finishes the second one sometime this decade.
I don't think they ever reached the "true morally grey area" but I think it was heading in the right direction. The season focused more on its villains development than its main cast (to its detriment honestly).
Ken, Blackwargreymon, and even Oikawa are more memorable to me than Adventure's villains (except Vamdemon). I think what 02 was attempting to do was one of the few commendable aspects of the season.
Then Tamers came, shook its head, and said "This is how it's done."
I liked Ken in both villain and hero characterizations and Oikawa could have worked better. But honestly they were less memorable to me even well better developed. In the end I don't remember what was the point of blackwargreymon outside "we need someone threatening but not being the main bad"
It'll be interesting to see where we go from here if the Season goes well. Like would they do a special for Tamers? Or stick with the proven global popularity of the Adventure kids, and turn it serial? I guess we'll see.
Here's hoping we get some story details on the 20th. Maybe even a small trailer. I doubt it, but one can hope.
I like the old designs mostly out of a place of nostalgia. It would have looked really out of place to keep those around and would have lost a lot of interest from potential new viewers, so it only makes sense they went with a more modern approach.
At the very least I know this show will be gorgeous to look at, after having seen Tsuritama. I definitely wouldn't call this art style "generic anime" though, it's weird seeing people say that.
I liked Ken in both villain and hero characterizations and Oikawa could have worked better. But honestly they were less memorable to me even well better developed. In the end I don't remember what was the point of blackwargreymon outside "we need someone threatening but not being the main bad"
Blackwargreymon was pointless and way too angsty, but I remember his deal better than Etemon. However, I think at this point it comes down to personal preference.
I like the old designs mostly out of a place of nostalgia. It would have looked really out of place to keep those around and would have lost a lot of interest from potential new viewers, so it only makes sense they went with a more modern approach.
At the very least I know this show will be gorgeous to look at, after having seen Tsuritama. I definitely wouldn't call this art style "generic anime" though, it's weird seeing people say that.