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Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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I use the to think they couldn't top Amon. But then Zaheer was created. You've got to give it to the creators for creating two amazing villains that was highly enjoyable to watch every episode.
I never got a problem with Amon being a Bloodbender, I'd rather that than some other nonbending explanation. However, his childhood being dumped at the last second was pretty sloppy. He gave us some of the best and most surprising moments in all of the Avatar's episodes.
I never got a problem with Amon being a Bloodbender, I'd rather that than some other nonbending explanation. However, his childhood being dumped at the last second was pretty sloppy. He gave us some of the best and most surprising moments in all of the Avatar's episodes.
BKatastrophe
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That's not how it started with her, though. That's why I'm saying, we don't know what caused her to make the jump from good intentions to crazy. She went from "We should be helping these people because we have the ability to" to "We will take back the Earth Kingdom." So, at some point, she thought that the only way to maintain order would be to maintain an iron fist (so to speak) and then she got a bit too ambitious. It's not that complex of a scenario (even though I would like to see the genuine progression).
I made the comparison to Sozin in my post, and I really do see them as similar.
Sozin was: Raised as a Fire Lord, and then because the Fire Nation was prospering he decided "Yo Roku, let's be besties and 'help' these folks with our prosperousness, y'know? Prosper the fuck out of them." Roku said "No," and then Sozin colonized. Roku did the Avatar equivalent of a beatdown, said "No," again and then left to go do Avatar things. Years pass, Sozin betrays Roku and then immediately GENOCIDES THE AIR NOMADS using his Final Smash (Sozin's Comet). He then does some more (forced) colonizing and then dies (because he was super old). Azulon and Ozai carry on his grand scheme, with Ozai deciding "You know what our total world-domination needs right now? More genocide."
Kuvira: Raised as the daughter of (though not actually the daughter) a high-ranking Earth Kingdom official (The leader of Zaofu). She then made captain of the guard, and effectively became Su's right-hand. She then secedes from Zaofu saying "We're going to help those people, since we're prospering and have advanced technology," and takes a bunch of people with her. She then, during 3 years, places the entirety of the Earth Kingdom into a weird, totalitarian military state full of labor and reeducation camps under the guise of "The Great Uniter." Now she's going cray-cray with giant laser mechs.
I mean, it'd be some shit if Kuvira wins, kills Korra, and the next series involves in Earth Avatar leading his own people to freedom against the regime. Equalists and Red Lotus are good guys now. Lots of spirit stuff. It'll be great, I'm sure.
The Legend of Haru: Book 1 Tremors.
Or some shit. I dunno.
JadedWriter
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When did Toa write that? Go hop in a fire you ageist fool.
Of course, this is probably the last we'll get of the avatar world for a long time. Nick might make a crappy flash spin-off at the most.
BKatastrophe
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As soon as this book finishes, I'm doing a full re-watch of Legend of Korra. I 100% believe that going back and watching early seasons of a show after the later ones can change things. It usually does, and it's far more interesting that way. Seeing where the characters and arcs end up directly compared to how they start. Maybe there's a something I never saw before. One thing I've noticed (and I'll be paying attention to on the re-watch) is that The Legend of Korra seems to have a distinct theme in regards to power and how it's handled. Maybe I'm just seeing things and am going crazy, trying to read to much into it, but it makes sense.
Plus, if there's a bad season of a show I really enjoy, I especially want to re-watch that. I did it with Season 7 of Buffy and Season 4 of Angel, and my views definitely came out a lot differently than they were originally. I'm honestly looking forward to the re-watch, and yes, that includes Book 2 Spirits.
Plus, if there's a bad season of a show I really enjoy, I especially want to re-watch that. I did it with Season 7 of Buffy and Season 4 of Angel, and my views definitely came out a lot differently than they were originally. I'm honestly looking forward to the re-watch, and yes, that includes Book 2 Spirits.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Giant Mech outta nowhere...okay
Kuvira don't curr....okay
okay.
Wow we're on the last episode?!?
There can't possibly be enough time in the episode for a satisfying resolution to the entire series. =/
Kuvira don't curr....okay
okay.
Wow we're on the last episode?!?
There can't possibly be enough time in the episode for a satisfying resolution to the entire series. =/
Cloud Strife
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I don't think I'll be home, woooooow.
The problem that the writers face is that in order to match the scale of previous books we would need Kuvira to start talking about domination post Republic City. This would be extremely out of character for someone who already has a nebulous characterization. You end up with a situation no matter what happens, there will be problems.
Astral Dog
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Kinda weird, but it was said Amon hated bending, and considered the Avatar the most powerful bender in the world, instead of his father,so i suppose he wanted to get revenge on the Avatar , take republic city and saw bending as a curse, for this he made an alliance with Hiroshi and builded a persona to get to the common people.
At the same time, Tarrlock wanted the same, but he became a corrupt politician instead. Its kinda implied Yakone was the true villain, and Aang failed to properly stop him.
Thats all i get.
And it'll still be awesome the second time.
Though I really doubt it will turn into a megazord vs monster battle.
Even tho I won't get my 3rd cycle wish of a barren wasteland/hatred of an avatar (with better execution then what they tried to pull in s1) I still enjoyed the ride. Even if it had some lows I still enjoyed the trade off of the highs of Season 1 (till the end) and S3. Especially S3
I think at this point Bryke is burnt out on the series, probably close to the point of hate, and just wants to be done. Been working on this shit since what? 01? (at least in concept). That's the feeling I got over the past few episodes
I think at this point Bryke is burnt out on the series, probably close to the point of hate, and just wants to be done. Been working on this shit since what? 01? (at least in concept). That's the feeling I got over the past few episodes
Pretty much.
Jeremy, the animators and the voice actors are the main reasons I watch this show.
If the quality of everything else was not so high, I would have dropped this show a long time ago (I actually skipped much of the the middle part of season 2).
And_Gignac
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Nostalgia goggles at its best. Ozai had zero character development.
Meanwhile Kuvira's motivations are well explored and explained since episode one.
Naw. WW is a badass.
She also has depth
And she typically wins.
Kuvira feels a lot like a less interesting Azula. That's not a bad thing because Azula is great, but there's something missing. I think it's because she's less ruthless and it feels less personal with her. I don't blame her for not having a lot of depth, though. Ozai didn't have depth either. All of his depth was from Zuko's back story, so they should connect Kuvira more to Su if they want to give her more depth.
The Cool One
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how about a series where the avatar is the bad guy...... could that work?
It could, but Book 2 tainted that premise. It would be something along the lines of the avatar taking their job to an extreme and not only becoming the bridge between worlds, but working to merge the world's to the point where the land is half spirit half human like it was in Wan's time or like republic city but everywhere. The humans won't like this and will turn on the avatar, who will in turn see humanity as a selfish species who can't govern themselves, and for the sake of balance, the Avatar resorts to take over as humanity's ruler to keep them in check.
I would love that, having a team of normal everyday benders can force them to make every character important while bringing up interesting points.
Also, for those looking for a series with a Strong Female lead I'd recommend the Kara no Kyoukai movies. There is about 7 in all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGyg_MO2PI
m_shortpants
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Absolutely. I've said it a few times that it would be a great way to make another story in the universe.
The problem with the avatar as the protagonist is that the avatar is inherently OP as fuck. It worked with Aang because he was learning the elements. But with Korra she was a great bender. And her challenges have so far felt a bit artificial since she can just avatar state yip yip her way out of anything.
What they could do is have Vaatu be reborn inside of a future avatar. That avatar uses their power to become a tyrant like Superman in Injustice. And the plot follows a group of benders on their journey to "take the Avatar down". The avatar could be intelligent, benevolent, tyrannical, they could do so much with regards to that kind of character. It doesn't have to be EVIL like Ozai, Unalaq, or Kuvira. There can be grey sides to that struggle.
Way more promise than rehashing the TLA format anyway.
He gave us a great Kaiju battle.
Not joking, I too had a dream about the finale.
Toph came out of the desert with laser eyes after discovering some sort of green power bending, onboard a spaceship shaped like a Flying Boar (Beefing style) and just kicked-ass.
Honest to geezus, I dreamt that.
Icyflamez96
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man that wasn't even the same
The thing with Ozai is that he was almost never the focus of the story until the very end. He's the Emperor. He's there to explain why this Darth Vader guy is chasing the characters all over the galaxy, but Darth Vader is the major antagonist.
For most of ATLA, Ozai is just the necessary final authority that the story requires in order to account for Fire Nation politics. Why is Zuko banished and why is he trying to regain his honor? Why is there this big war going on? Why is Zhao prosecuting it? Why does Azula suddenly show up and take over? Because Ozai's kind of a dick is why.
Ozai as a character rather than a narrative device becomes more relevant to Zuko's story, but as far as Aang is concerned Ozai really never matters much as a character. Aang's final conflict is in many ways an internal one about an abstract principle, and Ozai is just the narratively convenient thing that forces the issue.
For most of ATLA, Ozai is just the necessary final authority that the story requires in order to account for Fire Nation politics. Why is Zuko banished and why is he trying to regain his honor? Why is there this big war going on? Why is Zhao prosecuting it? Why does Azula suddenly show up and take over? Because Ozai's kind of a dick is why.
Ozai as a character rather than a narrative device becomes more relevant to Zuko's story, but as far as Aang is concerned Ozai really never matters much as a character. Aang's final conflict is in many ways an internal one about an abstract principle, and Ozai is just the narratively convenient thing that forces the issue.
I'd still like to see an evil avatar done better. Like one where the main focus is a young master of an element and the avatar hasn't been seen for years, then the avatar burns down the protagonist's house and destroys their life, and they go on a revenge quest to find out why, all the while seeing other things that the Avatar has done to spite humanity and deciding that they need to be stopped, and the Avatar's past lives are yelling at him for his decisions and eventually help the protagonist to defeat him, then at the end we're left with a moral dilemma as the avatar points out all of the bad stuff humanity has done to the spirits that was always in the background but never fleshed out.
I'm always bugged by him being the dark avatar. Not just because he sucks, but he really kinda wasn't.
I mean, the avatar is defined by 3 things: The ability to bend all 4 elements, bringing balance to the world, and (as of the LoK retcon) the connection to Raava.
He can only ever bend water.
He brings chaos...but that's not really a unique role that ONLY the dark avatar can bring. Ozai was bringing chaos, Amon was bringing chaos...basically, any disruption of the balance can be attributed to chaos. You'd think that the role of chaos the dark avatar is supposed to bring would be something more unique to it.
Lastly, he is connected to Vaatu, Raava's opposite...which works, but it's such a recent addition to avatar that it's hard for me to buy that Unalaq was the Avatar's Antithesis just based on that. It's not established enough.
I don't know how they'd pull it off regarding technological advances, but an avatar series with Vatuu regaining strength in Rava would be a really great premise. Unfortunately, it'd have to be set thousands of years in the future. Sci-Fi Avatar could be awesome though...
SilentMatthew
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As m_shortpants mentioned, it is possible if the show dip toes into the gray area instead of a quick pinkie dip. His take was, correct if I'm wrong, a Übermensch Avatar. E.g. what if there is a fifth season of LOK, some years past by and the Earth Kingdom has gone to shit because of King Wu. During those years Korra consults with Zaheer on spirituality and really mediates on the ideas of her main villains. Then Korra basically snaps into Injustice Superman or Red Son Superman because of something something. The Avatar no longer keeps the status quo, there is only the Avatar or whatever.
My idea was basically just #AmonWasRight of seasons 1-4 of LOK.
Noooo
Yep, that's how this season will end. Kuvira will trick Korra into killing Asami which sets of a nuke, destroying republic city.
WrenchNinja
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It's not nostalgia goggles. There is not much to Ozai, he is a racist nutjob. A product and representation of what the Fire Nation has been changing into over a hundred years. His motivations are clear.
Kuvira has zero character development as well. So I'm not sure why you're acting like she does. She just goes from Point A (normal guard) to Point B (crazy dictator) without any real explanation for how she got to Point B. What are her motivations? Why does she want to rule the Earth Kingdom? Does she believe she's the only one who can do it because she brought order? Because this is not well explored at all. What brought the idea of internment camps in her head? How was being raised by Su Beifong and living in Zao fu lead her into a path of dictatorship?
Kuvira is actually Reverse Flash
Same here. Really excited to hear what jeremy has in store for us with these last two episodes. It'll be hard to top the fantastic zaheer vs korra fight from last season.
Atraveller
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But Batman is not a background character.
Only competent person in the show though.
Infinite Justice
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thats cold
JadedWriter
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Duly noted, I love gaf anime suggestions.
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