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[iamblades]

This is correct.

However, while no art form should need a particular group of people to legitimize it for said art form to be considered worthy, Hip-Hop/Rap to this day hasn't been respected as a real artistic form of expression and music by White America since its inception, despite it being the most influential form of music to date.

But, ever since Iggy and Macklemore got involved, not only is rap suddenly getting more respect from White America, but those two artists are placed on a pedestal as the absolute best of the genre. The same thing happens with Eminem. The difference is, at least Eminem and Macklemore have publicly acknowledged that they don't consider themselves that way, and Eminem has publicly stated that people only see him in that light because of his race. Iggy has done no such thing.

You see nothing wrong with this?

Yeah I'm not sure what this means, Hip Hop has been popular with white america since just about the beginning, it never would have become financially viable if this were not the case.

Unless you are strictly talking about bullshit like the grammys, rap has receives just as much 'respect'(which in terms of popular music is properly measured in dollars) as any other form of pop music, and there are plenty of other genres that are completely ignored by the grammys as well. Especially the main other 'aggressive' music genre, Metal.

When have the old guys in charge of the music institutions ever actually treated any popular music with respect as a valid artform? Going back to the beatles or Elvis it's always been a grudging 'well you made a lot of money, but we don't get it' recognition.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Well yes everyone has the right to be fake, I'm not sure what point you are arguing?

What? Fake? How old are you? As you said, it's a persona. Not that strange for a performer.

 

[DC R1D3R]

LOL
iggy probably shittin bullets right now....

Spoiler

for her sake, hope it aint nathan bad

 

[Switch Back 9]

The thing that disgusts me about that article-and really this being a "thing" in the first place particularly in America-is the notion that there's "white" or "black" music in any capacity. Who's to say there's some genetic block preventing a white person from liking ATCQ naturally, or a black person from enjoying Green Day or Sum 41? How the actual hell do you designate frequencies, chords, and melodies as belonging or resonating w/ a specific ethnicity? That's beyond stupid.

Not everyone has to like every type of music, but music...melody, by it's nature, isn't discriminative. It's not like a clef note decided to go "I think I'll only let white people hear me" or some shit like that. It's honestly disgusting how this mentality has pervaded into the mainstream music scenes of America.

That's why you could never have had movements like Jungle and Drum and Bass (two of the 3 absolute BEST new genres of music that have come about in the past 2+ decades, alongside UK and speed garage) originate here, and that makes me really, really sad. I don't need an education on what cultural appropriation is, but the fact that there's a mentality where you have to define music by race/ethnicity is just very shallow, even for political reasons.

And if being technical for a moment.....hiphop, jazz, rock and roll....they are all technically "black" music but....where are the young black musicians in the latter two these days? I mean, if I search hard enough...really hard mind you, but still, with enough looking I guess I can find one or two. Maybe three. I don't say that to be smarmy or funny; it's just an unfortunate reality.

Just because people of other ethnicities start to dig into music you may have created, doesn't mean you have to feel like you're being "squeezed out". There's room in all music for everybody; it comes down to fortitude and how much you love music for the sake of the music vs. being in it for the money. When I see a lot of black rappers talking about hiphop being "black" music and it being appropriated, it's really just code talk about money; hiphop has a lot of money involved in it, people don't want to feel like they're being cut off from the money. Understandable.

But at least frame it as you actually mean it, not in loaded racial talk that just further creates unnecessary boundaries and divisions.

I love this post. You've articulated exactly how I feel about this nonsense. America's fucked up race situation pervades everything.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

The only thing I see wrong with this is how skewed you view things. "White" America has had plenty of representation throughout rap's history. Yet, the biggest names in the game have almost always been black people. Em had a short reign in that space compared to say, Jay-Z. The Beastie Boys aren't more highly regarded than Pac or Big. Illmatic is well-known as the best rap album of all time. Also, Eminem absolutely called himself the greatest rapper and still does.

Iggy is hot this year, like every other pop artist in her lane, she'll be forgotten about soon enough. White America has loved rap for quite some time. She definitely didn't do shit for that, save for maybe the tweens she appeals to.

I remember the last thread with the guy saying white people didn't care about rap until Eminem. :lol

Agreed. But apparently that's "well within her rights".

You're seriously saying rappers rap like they talk and don't use personas? Were you this offended by Nicki minaj doing the same thing? Because I'd like to see all the pays you made flipping out about that. If you're listening to rap because they're "real" then I have a bridge to sell you...

 

[SYNTAX182]

So are white people not allowed to rap now or something? Or asians or latinos? Shouldn't she be attacking the head honchos giving the awards as they are the ones that she thinks is pushing out the rewards to these white rappers. I don't know man seems like her hate is misplaced here. And white people have been rapping since forever too like what about mc serch etc back in the 80's/90's. Beastie boys? Cmon banks has weird reasoning.

 

[BajiBoxer]

I'm so dead right now. LMFAO.

What makes it worse, I looked at the pictures before the words and thought it was Iggy in both.

Lol, I did to but thought both were Marlon. I'd probably recognize some of her music, but I really have no clue who she is. Thought at first maybe someone was making some sort of "white face" argument before going back and reading ;-)

 

[Z_Y]

I had to look up the first three people mentioned.


I feel old.

Me too. But hey...Q-tip, right? I bet these kids don't even know about A Tribe Called Quest.

 

[newjeruse]

Would people have an issue with Iggy if she were from the Bay Area? Or rural Kentucky? I don't think her problem is as much white/black as it is American/un-American. The way she appropriates the culture is not phony to me because she is white, it's because she's Australian.

 

[Infinite]

So are white people not allowed to rap now or something? Or asians or latinos? Shouldn't she be attacking the head honchos giving the awards as they are the ones that she thinks is pushing out the rewards to these white rappers. I don't know man seems like her hate is misplaced here. And white people have been rapping since forever too like what about mc serch etc back in the 80's/90's. Beastie boys? Cmon banks has weird reasoning.

It's not about white people rapping it's more about erasure and the commodifying of it. But of course this discussion will be filled with strawmen and a bunch of people trying to be "colorblind" here thus missing the point.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Would people have an issue with Iggy if she were from the Bay Area? Or rural Kentucky? I don't think her problem is as much white/black as it is American/un-American. The way she appropriates the culture is not phony to me because she is white, it's because she's Australian.

apart from lil debbie...which other white female artist (can't believe I'm gonna type this) spits harder? bar for bar?

 

[Degen]

fuck

This is good music now

I'm old

 

[kamorra]

It's not about white people rapping it's more about erasure and the commodifying of it. But of course this discussion will be filled with strawmen and a bunch of people trying to be "colorblind" here thus missing the point.

For Banks it is. Maybe you're just missing how openly racist she is.

 

[Floridian]

fuck

This is good music now

I'm old

Nobody said Iggy's music is good. Azealia's music is good imo but that's not the issue here.

 

[Infinite]

For Banks it is. Maybe you're just missing how openly racist she is.

Whatever man. Read what you want.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Would people have an issue with Iggy if she were from the Bay Area? Or rural Kentucky? I don't think her problem is as much white/black as it is American/un-American. The way she appropriates the culture is not phony to me because she is white, it's because she's Australian.

Wait, so you can only be a rapper if you're from the US? The fuck?

 

[zeemumu]

I really don't think that there's anything that Iggy could have done short of murdering a few people or being a huge child molester that would be worse than Cosby.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Can someone please explain to me what the issue is?

 

[Majestad]

Ugh, I was forced to listen to her while in jail, that was the worst part of being there...

They play Iggy behind bars? Damn, jails goin' soft.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Wait, so you can only be a rapper if you're from the US? The fuck?

can u rep shaolin if ur not chinese?

@Ray Wonder

authenticity!

 

[Infinite]

Wait, so you can only be a rapper if you're from the US? The fuck?

This is what I'm talking about. Where did they say that? Where is the implication as to that is what they meant? This is why these discussions are annoying because people do this in these threads all day. He's clearly not saying that because iggy is from Australia that she's not allowed to be a rapper. He's saying that her style and her entire rap persona is phony and it's even more transparent because she's clearly just the pretty bankable white face a bunch of suits gave a microphone and some bars too.

 

[Ithil]

Them trying to sound cool and badass in their messages is always funny.

 

[JackLongRod]

Iggy does have a sex tape could they be leaking that ?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

This is what I'm talking about. Where did they say that? Where is the implication as to that is what they meant? This is why these discussions are annoying because people do this in these threads all day. He's clearly not saying that because iggy is from Australia that she's not allowed to be a rapper. He's saying that her style and her entire rap persona is phony and it's even more transparent because she's clearly just the pretty bankable white face a bunch of suits gave a microphone and some bars too.

All rappers are fake, read my other post.

:lol Her persona is fake. WOW. I really hope you despise rap if that's your stance on this.

 

[newjeruse]

Wait, so you can only be a rapper if you're from the US? The fuck?

You can be a rapper and be from anywhere. But if you're from the other side of the world and you appropriate a culture that isn't yours, it's going to ring false. She comes off as a caricature of a Southern rapper. That's why she's getting pushback that other white rappers haven't received.

 

[Kusagari]

They play Iggy behind bars? Damn, jails goin' soft.

Maybe she really is the realest.

 

[rambis]

Wait, so you can only be a rapper if you're from the US? The fuck?

She raps and carries herself like she grew up in Atlanta, not Australia. Some people don't like what they consider to be their authentic life culture imitated and abused for profit.

 

[And_Gignac]

Didnt Iggy learn to rap in the Florida scene? Then why is it so surprising that she has a black-southern accent?

She raps and carries herself like she grew up in Atlanta, not Australia. Some people don't like what they consider to be their authentic life culture imitated and abused for profit.

She move at 16 to Miami though. It is not like she stopped "growing up" after 16. You have a lot of formative experiences during your late 10s and considering the circles she hanged around during that time it is not surprising that her lyrics, music and persona became infused with black culture.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Them trying to sound cool and badass in their messages is always funny.

sooooo authentic it hurts my brainz.

can't wait till gang signs are openly expressed in boardroom meetings.

Spoiler

O BLOCK

 

[Sou Da]

Wait, what are the demands?

 

[Infinite]

All rappers are fake, read my other post.

I'm calling iggy a marketing gimmick, a transparent one at that. Also, not all rappers are fake.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

She raps and carries herself like she grew up in Atlanta, not Australia. Some people don't like what they consider to be their authentic life culture imitated and abused for profit.

Rap? Authentic? Holy shit. I'm honestly speechless.

I'm calling iggy a marketing gimmick, a transparent one at that. Also, not all rappers are fake.

No, they're not just 99.99999999999% of them are.

 

[MoodyFog]

All rappers are fake, read my other post.

:lol Her persona is fake. WOW. I really hope you despise rap if that's your stance on this.

Say that to Bobby Shmurda

 

[Majestad]

Lmao at Action Bronson's tweet:

@AZEALIABANKS I WILL MELT THOSE LITTLE TITS OFF THAT LITTLE BOY BODY., CHILL. I USED TO ALMOST LIKE YOU.

 

[Infinite]

Rap? Authentic? Holy shit. I'm honestly speechless.

No, they're not just 99.99999999999% of them are.

You know nothing about rap and hip-hop.

 

[JackLongRod]

Lmao at Action Bronson's tweet:

@AZEALIABANKS I WILL MELT THOSE LITTLE TITS OFF THAT LITTLE BOY BODY., CHILL. I USED TO ALMOST LIKE YOU.

Dat ether

 

[Jokab]

She raps and carries herself like she grew up in Atlanta, not Australia. Some people don't like what they consider to be their authentic life culture imitated and abused for profit.

Does this mean that a polish artist can't sing reggae, as it "abuses" Jamaican culture? This seems like an odd stance to take.

 

[RP912]

Lmao at Action Bronson's tweet:

@AZEALIABANKS I WILL MELT THOSE LITTLE TITS OFF THAT LITTLE BOY BODY., CHILL. I USED TO ALMOST LIKE YOU.

fucking roflmao at "I used to almost like you".

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

You know nothing about rap and hip-hop.

Oh, please educate me. Because you've said nothing this whole thread like usual, you just passive aggressive write people off and call them ignorant. Educate me on how real these rappers personas and songs are. You're clueless if you're listening to it for "truth" and "realness"

 

[rambis]

Rap? Authentic? Holy shit. I'm honestly speechless.

No, they're not just 99.99999999999% of them are.

Are you the guy that only listens to rappers that make the billboard charts?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Are you the guy that only listens to rappers that make the billboard charts?

Are you daft?

 

[Floridian]

Oh, please educate me. Because you've said nothing this whole thread like usual, you just passive aggressive write people off and call them ignorant. Educate me on how real these rappers personas and songs are. You're clueless if you're listening to it for "truth" and "realness"

What rappers do u listen to?

 

[The Beard]

Wow, the double standard in society is sickening.

It's ok for Banks to say Iggy shouldn't be allowed to rap because she's white?

If Toby Keith got upset because Darius Rucker is singing Country and taking awards from the more deserving white singers, I'm sure a civilized, understanding discussion would ensue.

 

[Dice//]

Iggy saying really fucked up questionable things isn't new. Chick wears her privilege and ignorance on her sleeve.

^

 

[Infinite]

Oh, please educate me. Because you've said nothing this whole thread like usual, you just passive aggressive write people off and call them ignorant. Educate me on how real these rappers personas and songs are. You're clueless if you're listening to it for "truth" and "realness"

I'm not being "passive agressive" I call that telling it like I see it.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

The thing that disgusts me about that article-and really this being a "thing" in the first place particularly in America-is the notion that there's "white" or "black" music in any capacity. Who's to say there's some genetic block preventing a white person from liking ATCQ naturally, or a black person from enjoying Green Day or Sum 41? How the actual hell do you designate frequencies, chords, and melodies as belonging or resonating w/ a specific ethnicity? That's beyond stupid.

Not everyone has to like every type of music, but music...melody, by it's nature, isn't discriminative. It's not like a clef note decided to go "I think I'll only let white people hear me" or some shit like that. It's honestly disgusting how this mentality has pervaded into the mainstream music scenes of America.

That's why you could never have had movements like Jungle and Drum and Bass (two of the 3 absolute BEST new genres of music that have come about in the past 2+ decades, alongside UK and speed garage) originate here, and that makes me really, really sad. I don't need an education on what cultural appropriation is, but the fact that there's a mentality where you have to define music by race/ethnicity is just very shallow, even for political reasons.

And if being technical for a moment.....hiphop, jazz, rock and roll....they are all technically "black" music but....where are the young black musicians in the latter two these days? I mean, if I search hard enough...really hard mind you, but still, with enough looking I guess I can find one or two. Maybe three. I don't say that to be smarmy or funny; it's just an unfortunate reality.

Just because people of other ethnicities start to dig into music you may have created, doesn't mean you have to feel like you're being "squeezed out". There's room in all music for everybody; it comes down to fortitude and how much you love music for the sake of the music vs. being in it for the money. When I see a lot of black rappers talking about hiphop being "black" music and it being appropriated, it's really just code talk about money; hiphop has a lot of money involved in it, people don't want to feel like they're being cut off from the money. Understandable.

But at least frame it as you actually mean it, not in loaded racial talk that just further creates unnecessary boundaries and divisions.

Yeah you haven't really read any posts in this thread. It isn't white vs black music.

 

[Courage]

Wow, the double standard in society is sickening.

It's ok for Banks to say Iggy shouldn't be allowed to rap because she's white?

If Toby Keith got upset because Darius Rucker is singing Country and taking awards from the more deserving white singers, I'm sure a civilized, understanding discussion would ensue.

While Banks is excessively aggressive and hateful with her attitude, she's mostly referring to Iggy's meticulously crafted persona, with the prime element being her blatantly fake Southern accent. I wish some other artist other than Banks would step up and talk about it, because no one takes Banks seriously at this point with all the bridges she's burnt throughout the years.

 

[kamorra]

Yeah you haven't really read any posts in this thread. It isn't white vs black music.

Take a quick look at Banks Twitter account, see how she uses the word "white" as an insult, come back and tell me how it isn't in this particularly case.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Rap? Authentic? Holy shit. I'm honestly speechless.

No, they're not just 99.99999999999% of them are.

Ehh, it's clear you only have knowledge of popular rap. Because this statement is ridiculous.

 

[MoodyFog]

Take a quick look at Banks Twitter account, see how she uses the word "white" as an insult, come back and tell me how it isn't in this particularly case.

What a white post, you disgust me you little white neogaf poster