LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

The lack of communication is the true failure here.

Okay the lack of the network overall but the communication is a close second.
 
Nokterian said:
My biggest problem with this if DDoS is happened like now to Sony that there lack of updates are horrible slow but even worse PSN will be longer offline last time they did this it was nearly 3/4 days before it came back up it is pathetic and when i look at microsoft they keep you updated by the hour when it works it works.

But i do find it more even more pathetic from those assholes kiddies from virgin squad ruining everything instead focus on let's say ISIS or other regimes but no it is fun to fuck around people who just want to play games.
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They're seeking attention man. They're not white hats.

Even if they were, targeting a nebulous entity like Isis with no central service to disrupt isn't exactly feasible. Even if they could nail down a specific target within that network or some other evil regime, say like N.Korea, they'd only be targeting one of thousands of potential targets.

With XBL/PSN they have a very specific target for their attack. And since the only reason they're really doing it is to gain attention and notoriety, that makes for a prime candidate.

They could theoretically target a specific website, like say a Jihadist extremist site of some sort or something like that, but then the ripples wouldn't be as big and they wouldn't get as much attention.
 
Pretty brutal for kids wanting to play their Christmas presents. Glad such an incident couldn't affect 1991 Mega Drive Christmas for me
 
Savitar said:
The lack of communication is the true failure here.

Okay the lack of the network overall but the communication is a close second.
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i agree even the standard our team is continuing to work on _ networks will continue to update type stuff works the silence is what is worry some
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Yup, they are a part of it, but they're not the whole world, so being outraged (perhaps too strong a word, but even bent out of shape, upset, whatever) about the 'online' portion of these games being shut off does still seem absurd to me. It's not like video games themselves have ceased to exist.

Of course people might do plenty of other stuff. And of course people might want this particular time to play some video games. The crazy thing is, they can. They just can't play the ONLINE component of the games (other than the few online-only console games, but those are a very small portion of the total list).

I also think you're reading too much into what I said, or are trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say I think the people upset spend all their time playing games.

All I am saying is that whether you play video games an hour a month or 100 hours a week, you can't very well go slay the dragon and stop the DDoS attack single-handedly. So rather than huffing and puffing about it (and thus giving these guys exactly what they want), why not just go on about doing something else you enjoy, or play what games you can offline if that's what you want to do?

We can't always have everything we want in life. If the service is down (or at least under severe strain, since some seem to have been getting through), them's the breaks. Time to do something else.
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I feel like you're missing the point here though which is that the new consoles are pretty heavily reliant on online. Yeah, you can do stuff to work around not having an internet connection, but if you got a new on one Christmas? Stuffed. Got a new game on Christmas that is broken without the massive Day One patch? Stuffed. Own more than one PS4 and want to play your digital games on the non-primary console? Stuffed. Can't afford more than one game so picked up Destiny, excited to play it on Christmas day? Not gunna happen.

It's not simple enough to just say "well play games offline!", considering the number of circumstances where these consoles need to be connected.
 
Chicagoland-GAF:

Right now I'm getting Music Unlimited working on my laptop but not on PS4. Haven't tried the PS3 yet.

Can anyone else near Chicago confirm Music Unlimited up?
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Yup, they are a part of it, but they're not the whole world, so being outraged (perhaps too strong a word, but even bent out of shape, upset, whatever) about the 'online' portion of these games being shut off does still seem absurd to me. It's not like video games themselves have ceased to exist.

Of course people might do plenty of other stuff. And of course people might want this particular time to play some video games. The crazy thing is, they can. They just can't play the ONLINE component of the games (other than the few online-only console games, but those are a very small portion of the total list).

I also think you're reading too much into what I said, or are trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say I think the people upset spend all their time playing games.

All I am saying is that whether you play video games an hour a month or 100 hours a week, you can't very well go slay the dragon and stop the DDoS attack single-handedly. So rather than huffing and puffing about it (and thus giving these guys exactly what they want), why not just go on about doing something else you enjoy, or play what games you can offline if that's what you want to do?

We can't always have everything we want in life. If the service is down (or at least under severe strain, since some seem to have been getting through), them's the breaks. Time to do something else.
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It's no different than being upset that any other device/object doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Especially when there's malice involved. If someone yanked the distributor cap out of your car, you wouldn't say, "Oh well, I could always ride my bike. It's no big deal."

You're right, we can't always have what we want in life. But there's nothing wrong with being upset that something that was paid for doesn't work. Again, especially when said thing doesn't work due to malice. People being upset is completely understandable.

I'm not one to get worked up over things generally, because stuff happens. I'm aware of the fact that we live in an imperfect world. If, for instance, PSN were down because of a power outage or a server crash, or even just due to overload because of Christmas injecting more users into the ecosystem than Sony expected, I'd roll with it. And I think everyone should take such things into consideration before blowing their stacks when things like that occur. This current outage has had minimal impact on me personally (all I really want to do is push the Driveclub DLC I bought yesterday to my PS4), so again, I'm basically rolling with it. But I completely understand the anger from those it is affecting more than me and it's completely justified. For no good reason other than to be assholes, assholes are preventing people from using something they paid for and want to get use of.

It's kind of like the bully stealing a kid's lunch money of the Internet.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
They're seeking attention man. They're not social justice warriors.

Even if they were, targeting a nebulous entity like Isis with no central service to disrupt isn't exactly feasible. Even if they could nail down a specific target within that network or some other evil regime, say like N.Korea, they'd only be targeting one of thousands of potential targets.

With XBL/PSN they have a very specific target for their attack. And since the only reason they're really doing it is to gain attention and notoriety, that makes for a prime candidate.
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I ignore them but looks like they what they got on all media websites and the news. The attention it didn't deserve at all i find it sad because everyone worked there asses of this year and want to play same games in these next few days. Now engineers are working there asses of because these idiots like to ruin it.

What stuns me even more the attention people are giving them to twitter have you seen it? I saw kids slicing there arms open saw other horrible things. It is sad and pathetic.

What kim dotcom did? Yeah i do not like that either because next time they will demand more and it will happen more frequent over consoles and pc.
 
tghm1801 said:
I feel like you're missing the point here though which is that the new consoles are pretty heavily reliant on online. Yeah, you can do stuff to work around not having an internet connection, but if you got a new on one Christmas? Stuffed. Got a new game on Christmas that is broken without the massive Day One patch? Stuffed. Own more than one PS4 and want to play your digital games on the non-primary console? Stuffed. Can't afford more than one game so picked up Destiny, excited to play it on Christmas day? Not gunna happen.

It's not simple enough to just say "well play games offline!", considering the number of circumstances where these consoles need to be connected.
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I realize that. But I also think that the likelihood that the majority of people being put out by this are in those specific scenarios is pretty low. And I don't know of too many games completely broken without the day 1 update. For instance, the day 1 update to Halo:MCC is required to play online, but that isn't an issue here, so if someone got that for Christmas, assuming their XB1 can play games offline, they could install it and play the campaign just fine. To my knowledge only the online-only games like Destiny would be completely unplayable without an update and/or steady connection. I'm trying to think of others... maybe driveclub?

Also, as I mentioned before I believe PS4 plays games offline out of the box just fine, does it not? I still haven't confirmed that or whether the 'day one update' is still required to play XB1 games offline out of the box.

Look, I've already said before that yeah, this would probably suck a bit for some kid that got an XB1 or PS4 for christmas. I'm sure if I were a kid and in this right now I'd be bummed, but at the same time in my household if this had happened my dad would've just told me to suck it up and find something else to do until it was working again.

Fnord said:
It's no different than being upset that any other device/object doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Especially when there's malice involved. If someone yanked the distributor cap out of your car, you wouldn't say, "Oh well, I could always ride my bike. It's no big deal."

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You didn't really just compare not being able to play video games online to someone yanking the distributor cap out of my car did you?

Those are lightyears apart man. Hell, more than lightyears. :nerd cap on: A trans-warp drive could not bridge the gap between those two concepts.

Ok, I think I'm done here. There's just no reasoning with some people.
 
Femto. said:
I just got Dragon Age (which I can't play without an internet connection or w/o PSN being up, thanks EA) so I'm hoping this isn't going to be as severe as the 2011 incident.

On the bright side, I caught up on some shows today.
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You can play, you just have to manually disable your internet connection. This particular issue is a serious fuck up by sony, heaps of single player ps4 games just stop working if psn is down. It's been a problem for over a year now. Before i disabled internet connection my physical copy of LBP3 froze every time i launched it today, imagine all the kids who got it for christmas... Same thing has happened to me with ground zeroes and nearly every ea game i own. This should have been fixed a long time ago.
 
Savitar said:
The lack of communication is the true failure here.

Okay the lack of the network overall but the communication is a close second.
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This is something Sony needs to fix and fix soon. Their communication, or lack thereof, is terrible. I sympathize with their network admins and engineers, but their PR is a different story. Going back at least to the Driveclub launch.
 
Anyone not able to get to PS4 store, try logging out and back in. I have to do it every other session for some reason. For a long time I just thought the store was down.
 
Just this morning I was able to sign in (Germany) to initiate the downloads of BF4's map packs and I also saw some of my friends playing.
Now, an hour later, I can't sign in again.

I am so freaking pissed. Yesterday I bought my first ever digital game on Playstation because the Premium Edition of BF4 was so cheap (planning to ditch my physical version) and I haven't been abled to play it for even a minute, even though I planned to do so over the holidays.

I don't know if Sony could have prevented this considering the nature of DDoS attacks, but what is really tipping me of is their silence about it.
Send me an Email, Twitter something, open a thread on GAF I don't care, but f*cking communicate with us if you are being attacked. Otherwise most people (including me to some extent) will just think the cause of these problems is your stupid incompetence.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
I realize that. But I also think that the likelyhood that the majority of people being put out by this are in those specific scenarios is pretty low.

Also, as I mentioned before I believe PS4 plays games offline out of the box just fine, does it not? I still haven't confirmed that or whether the 'day one update' is still required to play XB1 games offline out of the box.
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I don't know about that, it's Christmas (the biggest commercial event of the year) so I imagine a lot of people would be unwrapping a new console. And even without new consoles, games like Wolfenstein, Halo: MCC, and Unity all require heavy patching to function properly. Then games like Destiny (one of this year's biggest releases) and Jackbox Party Pack (an amazing party/family game) don't even work without the internet.

I'm not saying that for a lot of people, gaming is the only thing they can do. It's just that on Christmas day many people WILL be looking to play with their new toys, play games with family, or even just use games to relax and get away from the stress of Christmas.
 
Savitar said:
The lack of communication is the true failure here.

Okay the lack of the network overall but the communication is a close second.
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fireworkfan said:
i agree even the standard our team is continuing to work on _ networks will continue to update type stuff works the silence is what is worry some
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Huh? They've kept the support page on play station.com updated, been posting periodic updates to Twitter as well as responding to tweets, etc. What do you want them to do?
 
henhowc said:
Huh? They've kept the support page on play station.com updated, been posting periodic updates to Twitter as well as responding to tweets, etc. What do you want them to do?
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Pretty much.


Honestly it's a hack - if you wanna be mad, fine, just direct it at the right people.
 
henhowc said:
Huh? They've kept the support page on play station.com updated, been posting periodic updates to Twitter as well as responding to tweets, etc. What do you want them to do?
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Maybe in the US, but over here I can't even reach playstation.com and the local playstation twitter just send out a tweet about the january sale and how you need to go buy stuff from the store...
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Yup, they are a part of it, but they're not the whole world, so being outraged (perhaps too strong a word, but even bent out of shape, upset, whatever) about the 'online' portion of these games being shut off does still seem absurd to me. It's not like video games themselves have ceased to exist.

Of course people might do plenty of other stuff. And of course people might want this particular time to play some video games. The crazy thing is, they can. They just can't play the ONLINE component of the games (other than the few online-only console games, but those are a very small portion of the total list).

I also think you're reading too much into what I said, or are trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say I think the people upset spend all their time playing games.

All I am saying is that whether you play video games an hour a month or 100 hours a week, you can't very well go slay the dragon and stop the DDoS attack single-handedly. So rather than huffing and puffing about it (and thus giving these guys exactly what they want), why not just go on about doing something else you enjoy, or play what games you can offline if that's what you want to do?

We can't always have everything we want in life. If the service is down (or at least under severe strain, since some seem to have been getting through), them's the breaks. Time to do something else.
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I am glad you are finding this comical.

I'm not allowed to take holidays at Christmas as my job entails saving lives.
The hours I get to spend with my family at Christmas are precious to me. Some of my son's presents are gaming related. He has a bunch of PSN points he wants to spend on his FIFA game (amongst other things) and he wanted to do that with me in the relatively small amount of time we have together at Christmas.

Instead of coming on here and being amused and patronisingly telling people to read a book etc etc why don't you keep your self centred opinion to yourself and go and play on your rollerskates or whatever it is you do to maintain your air of self satisfied smugness.

I hope the little tosspots who perpetrated these attacks get to see the inside of a jail cell for Christmas next year.
 
XBL has been fine this morning in the UK for me.

Console logged me straight in, Destiny loaded up fine too. Last night I had to keep trying.

Fingers crossed we are over the worst?
 
Did I miss everything? Yesterday XBL was up and when I'm on SO it's still working.

e: even the status page for Live says up and running, so I guess so.
 
>-Baron-Spamedi-< said:
I am glad you are finding this comical.

I'm not allowed to take holidays at Christmas as my job entails saving lives.
The hours I get to spend with my family at Christmas are precious to me. Some of my son's presents are gaming related. He has a bunch of PSN points he wants to spend on his FIFA game (amongst other things) and he wanted to do that with me in the relatively small amount of time we have together at Christmas.

Instead of coming on here and being amused and patronisingly telling people to read a book etc etc why don't you keep your self centred opinion to yourself and go and play on your rollerskates or whatever it is you do to maintain your air of self satisfied smugness.

I hope the little tosspots who perpetrated these attacks get to see the inside of a jail cell for Christmas next year.
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Great post, fully agreed. Hope your son can get online soon :)
 
Wow, PSN is still down for me. It is really, really sad that a bunch of 12 year olds can cripple services like this whenever they want.
 
I wish they targeted other large companies instead if this is completely unavoidable and "has to happen". People would have more sympathy for these morons if they demanded substantive change, as in corporation XYZ paying taxes instead of off shoring and shipping jobs to third world countries in order to use slave labor for manufacturing purposes and gaining a few more billion in profit. Or demand that all employees in China receive a better salary and are not worked to death.
It is so pointless to mess with a bunch of gamers. Would it not make them feel more special if they had progressive goals? Then again, they are immature and just going after notoriety so...

But I have to say the infrastructure Sony is using is utter garbage if the cool down period is so long, I understand the attacks stopped a while ago? How can it be so difficult to get the system back and running? What are people even paying for.
 
Fnord said:
It's no different than being upset that any other device/object doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Especially when there's malice involved. If someone yanked the distributor cap out of your car, you wouldn't say, "Oh well, I could always ride my bike. It's no big deal."

You're right, we can't always have what we want in life. But there's nothing wrong with being upset that something that was paid for doesn't work. Again, especially when said thing doesn't work due to malice. People being upset is completely understandable.

I'm not one to get worked up over things generally, because stuff happens. I'm aware of the fact that we live in an imperfect world. If, for instance, PSN were down because of a power outage or a server crash, or even just due to overload because of Christmas injecting more users into the ecosystem than Sony expected, I'd roll with it. And I think everyone should take such things into consideration before blowing their stacks when things like that occur. This current outage has had minimal impact on me personally (all I really want to do is push the Driveclub DLC I bought yesterday to my PS4), so again, I'm basically rolling with it. But I completely understand the anger from those it is affecting more than me and it's completely justified. For no good reason other than to be assholes, assholes are preventing people from using something they paid for and want to get use of.

It's kind of like the bully stealing a kid's lunch money of the Internet.
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>-Baron-Spamedi-< said:
I am glad you are finding this comical.

I'm not allowed to take holidays at Christmas as my job entails saving lives.
The hours I get to spend with my family at Christmas are precious to me. Some of my son's presents are gaming related. He has a bunch of PSN points he wants to spend on his FIFA game (amongst other things) and he wanted to do that with me in the relatively small amount of time we have together at Christmas.

Instead of coming on here and being amused and patronisingly telling people to read a book etc etc why don't you keep your self centred opinion to yourself and go and play on your rollerskates or whatever it is you do to maintain your air of self satisfied smugness.

I hope the little tosspots who perpetrated these attacks get to see the inside of a jail cell for Christmas next year.
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Maybe someone could explain this to me.. Talking only about PSN because thats all I use

- Lol crew or whoever announce they are going to attack PSN
- PSN is hacked and goes down
- We get no official statement or updates on whats going on
- Eventually it'll come back online slowly for people ( I guess the hackers ease up on the hacking dial)
- Sony "Okay guys what shall we do to prevent this happening again?"
- Sony do seemingly nothing

Repeat cycle.

Is this the case? How can Sony who are targeted and attacked so often seemingly have nothing in place to prevent this happening? I just don't get it. It's like they know its coming so just let it happen.
 
Man how can there be such a delay from when it goes up for some of you and the rest of us unfortunate folk? Saw people in here hours ago saying it was coming back and I've been spamming sign in ever since with no luck
 
<-Baron-Spamedi-< said:
I am glad you are finding this comical.

I'm not allowed to take holidays at Christmas as my job entails saving lives.
The hours I get to spend with my family at Christmas are precious to me. Some of my son's presents are gaming related. He has a bunch of PSN points he wants to spend on his FIFA game (amongst other things) and he wanted to do that with me in the relatively small amount of time we have together at Christmas.

Instead of coming on here and being amused and patronisingly telling people to read a book etc etc why don't you keep your self centred opinion to yourself and go and play on your rollerskates or whatever it is you do to maintain your air of self satisfied smugness.

I hope the little tosspots who perpetrated these attacks get to see the inside of a jail cell for Christmas next year.
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If it makes you feel any better, the hackers are probably spending Christmas alone and will never know the warmth of a lover's smile.
 
Femto. said:
I just got Dragon Age (which I can't play without an internet connection or w/o PSN being up, thanks EA) so I'm hoping this isn't going to be as severe as the 2011 incident.

On the bright side, I caught up on some shows today.
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I've been able to play with both down. I'm not sure what did it, but I noticed that when I would swap to Netflix it would disconnect from the EA servers after suspending it, but would still allow me to play. When I got the never ending 'connecting' thing, I decided to try that out. I also specifically turned off the 'Connect to Internet' setting in the options on the PS4 while it was suspended.

In any case, I was able to play. Hopefully this helps.
 
Managed to stay online nearly all day yesterday and even played The Crew.

Made the mistake of turning off the PS4 and now can't even sign in.
 
I'm mildly annoyed about this as I bought a $50 US PSN card christmas morning intending to buy Shadow of Mordor and Outlast at their sale prices but haven't been able to log in. I live in Australia so the 55 usd I paid for the card tends to come to like 70 aud, but it's still better value than the Aus PSN haha.

Far from seriously pissed off the way some people are though, it's more of a kind of pity feeling. It's just sad that anyone be fucked doing something that has no purpose or cause or statement behind it at all, for nothing but a bit of negative attention...

Pretty weak, but I guess some people's lives are just empty like that.

(I do sound salty I'll admit but really idgaf)
 
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