LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

I told him that. He linked the Kotaku article that says Xbox is back but PSN still down after ddos attack.

Not much I can say to him. I did tell him Xbox is still down for people here and there.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
What will be do when he hooks up his xone and has the same issue, move unto the wii-u? lol, some of these posts are embarassing.
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The funny thing is there's a lot of people like this who are truly out of the loop but i can't blame them not everyone follows the day to day scene of the gaming world. Casuals just buy and don't know nada about maintenance, DDos attacks, etc
 
Miktar said:
I'm saying that there is a fundamental problem with the Internet, one that needs to be addressed, and the longer it goes unaddressed the more of these kinds of events we'll be seeing. It only ramps up from here.

I don't think giving up on the internet is even an option, it's practically a municipal commodity now. I certainly don't think we should be paying "protection money" to people who could, or might, DDoS a corporation. I do think this is a problem way to big for a single person, or company, to solve. I know that places like Google are actively working to find a solution, but since there is no turn-key solution to it, it's going to take time, and a lot more cooperation from the economic world as a whole.

Perhaps the solution lay in a more unified infrastructure, like having only Google offer internet services for the entire planet, and then it's their responsibility to manage the system and prevent its abuse. But do I see that happening? Hell no - people would shout antitrust so fast it'd make Bill Gates flinch.

I don't claim to have the solution. I've only been explaining the reality of the situation as best I can, to those coming into the thread angry and confused that their consoles aren't working.
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It is a fundamental flaw in the entire structure of the internet. This is why it generally deemed unsolvable. Mitigation is possible, but no cure.

At least, not without changing the entire way the internet works world wide, and that isn't going to happen since everything functions that way, and no company is going to replace hardware for everyone world wide. Even if new servers and new devices start to work on a new styled network not based on the way it works now, it still has to be able to access the current network for anyone to even botherm and I would assume access it makes you vunerable, and then more unlikely to use the new network setup.

It's just a difficult slope. What would be nice is if someone could come up with a better way to trace DDoS attacks, because I have a feeling if they aren't already, being caught doing them is going to be considered a pretty major criminal offense.
 
Aroll said:
I never said it had to do with PSN. Man, people like to just make assumptions eh? My point was that Sony as a company had two really big hacks. Not DDoS, actual hacking. Two of them. Both of which compromised personal data. You would have figured after the PSN hack, they would have upgraded everything across the entire company, not JUST PSN. That seems silly, it just means you will be targeted at your less secure spots - this time, Sony Pictures. So what, did they upgrade Sony Pictures now but not anything else? Could be another branch next time.




I'm not, the editorial did that by saying Sony has better security today thanks to upgrades than Microsoft, infering Microsoft is like a open highway in comparison, Yet, what evidence is actually provided that this is the case? There wasn't any, accept proof that Sony upgraded security, not that Microsoft's security was actually poor.

Microsoft deals with database management in practicually every branch of their entire company. It's actually a lot more plausible they have had really good security the entire time, and if not, a lot better encryptions to protect the data if it does get accessed, becuase Microsoft hasn't had anything like this happen in any of their departments, yet it happened in two different departments at Sony.

And you can't tell me Microsoft isn't equally targetted by backing. Microsoft has arguably even more important data to protect, at least financially. I bet they deal with threats year round. Yet, nothing seem sto ever come of it outside of DDoS attacks, which no one can stop.

I'm not making this a "Sony vs Microsoft" thing, the editorial did that, to which my only response is that if Microsoft isn't that secure, than why has no one's personal data ever been accessed and released? Why has nothing of value been compromised in the entire history of the company, one of the largest in the entire world?

I just like evidence, not "Sony upgraded to the latest stuff, so they are better protected". Seems silly. Whatever Microsoft HAS been doing, it's worked.

As for "fan debates" on this silly nonsense, others were saying how PSN or whatever would never get up to Xbox Security levels. That was always a silly claim by xbox fans. Of course it could. But until Xbox Live is hacked nad has personal data and accounts released, the evidence isn't there to support it being easier to do antyhing with.

That's all. I am more upset Sony didn't use the PSN attack as a warning that hey, we should be upgrading company wide, not just on the video game platform side.

That being said, yay Wii U? NBo idea how secure they are and they probably don't get targeted as much, but something about accounts tied to hardware feels like a solid measure to prevent any real data getting stolen.
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Between social engineering and brute forcing, its very easy to get inside a network. Im afraid to know how many of my users would just give out their username and password to anyone that asked posing as a MS rep or some other bullshit. If you open anything up to the internet, its vulnerable to attack, its that simple. No amount of money will keep 100% safe. You can get pretty damn close, but if someone wants to mess up your day, they are going to, simple as that.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
I don't at all. Sony being hacked if anything probably caused them to over compensate. Never said Ms didn't upgrade either, but it is not crazy to suggest that PSN could be more secure then LIVE.
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It isnt crazy to suggest anything in life to be honest. but we disagree, just because Sony upgraded their security doesnt makes it better than MS. but given MS nature I highly doubt it, just like anyone here will doubt that MS can produce a better hardware than Sony, even tough MS was hit with RRoD.

And the ording in that article make it seem as Live is an open house for Hackers, which is an incorrect statement.
 
NoctisVsStar said:
The funny thing is there's a lot of people like this who are truly out of the loop but i can't blame them not everyone follows the day to day scene of the gaming world. Casuals just buy and don't know nada.
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This news is not just gaming news now, its been om Fox, CNN all major outlets, even my wife heard about it effecting live and PSN. I doubt many people return consoles because of a 1 day Network outage.
 
JetBlackPanda said:
I told him that. He linked the Kotaku artivle that says Xbox is back but PSN still down after ddos attack.

Not much I can say to him.
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He sounds pretty insecure of his purchases, tbh.

Woke up this morning, saw a spider on the wall after spraying some Black Flag in the same fucking spot the other day. Time to return my Wii U.
 
brandonh83 said:
He sounds pretty insecure of his purchases, tbh.

Woke up this morning, saw a spider on the wall after spraying some Black Flag in the same fucking spot the other day. Time to return my Wii U.
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I agree. I also think he wanted a Xbox to start with and the group of guys at work all have ps4s so he went that way.

I say he should do whatever makes him happy but this outage isn't sonys fault.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
This news is not just gaming news now, its been om Fox, CNN all major outlets, even my wife heard about it effecting live and PSN. I doubt many people return consoles because of a 1 day Network outage.
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I sure hope so bro on the bright side go outside and grab some fresh air in the meantime XD although it sucks for people like my cousin who on his day off wanted to play but it was down.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
Yeah totally idiotic to return a ps4 over a DDOs attack, I find it hard to believe, either most self entitled people on the planet or it's not true.
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I can bet it happens more than people who've gamed for their entire lives would like to think. Some people will take a $30 cut when they trade in a brand new game. I can see people returning it or calling Sony just to tell them off. I couldn't imagine doing that either, but I can imagine someone telling off the customer service rep at MS and Sony.

Sony Rep: How can I help you?
Person A: I can't go online on my PS4!!!!
Sony Rep: Sorry sir, we're having maintenance done and we will notify you through our website or on Twitter!
Person A: Oh Yeah! Well I want my money back! This is BS! I paid $400 for a console and I can't even connect to their services. This is the worst business out there. I won't do business with you any more!!!

I can honestly guarantee this has happened. If someone can call GameStop for console support and complain about intricate details GameStop can't even fix themselves; then something like this is bound to happen.
 
Caja 117 said:
It isnt crazy to suggest anything in life to be honest. but we disagree, just because Sony upgraded their security doesnt makes it better than MS. but given MS nature I highly doubt it, just like anyone here will doubt that MS can produce a better hardware than Sony, even tough MS was hit with RRoD.

And the ording in that article make it seem as Live is an open house for Hackers, which is an incorrect statement.
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I''ve seen many suggesting the x1 build quality being superior to ps4...There is no reason PSN security wise cannot be on par or further ahead then live....MS didnt invent security.
 
Fallout-with-swords said:
Otherwise they would have to pay apple for every purchase that was made through the app.
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No they wouldn't. That's a common misconception. Apple only does that when you buy stuff within an app that you can/will use on the iOS device, like an ebook. Amazon, Steam, Best Buy all have shopping apps on iOS and apple doesn't make them hand over 30% of the sales.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
This news is not just gaming news now, its been om Fox, CNN all major outlets, even my wife heard about it effecting live and PSN. I doubt many people return consoles because of a 1 day Network outage.
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Some of the stories say they're being 'hacked' and attacked by 'hackers'. It's like they're still in the early 90s.
 
Fallout-with-swords said:
Is it true that the DDOS has stopped and Sony is keeping the network down to investigate?
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It is speculation on both counts. The group that claimed responsibility for the botnet attacking PSN yesterday claims they've stopped. Sony has not made any official statements about the outage at all, only that "they are aware there are issues". That PSN for PS4 is still having troubles might be due to the Christmas flood of users, leftover issues from the DDoS, all of the above, and possibly maintenance to try and mitigate any future attacks. It's all just speculation though.

There is still serious botnet action, but it's impossible to know what the botnet is attacking, unless the attacked entity speaks up. The group who allegedly DDoSed yesterday, says they're focusing on the Tor network right now (that was 2 hours ago).
 
danowat said:
Why have Sony completely turned PSN off, where MS have managed to get XBL stable?
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Because cows eat grass? Why does that even matter? Maybe Sony is fixing things or making things work better. It's not like a store that's been robbed and they open up their doors the next day. I logged onto my Vita and downloaded Resogun.

Some people also don't have patience. They all assume technology is like the air you breathe. It should come natural; fast and free. Maybe some things take some work?
 
Blearth said:
Steams still up
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Which is nice. And hopefully the botnet doesn't go after Steam next, like it has before, which kept Steam offline for almost a full day.

danowat said:
Why have Sony completely turned PSN off, where MS have managed to get XBL stable?
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Different companies, different infrastructure, different setups. PSN is a multi-system setup, PSN for Vita and PS3 seem to be fine again, while PS4 is struggling for whatever reason (leftover damage from the attack, maintenance, who knows). Microsoft have proven to be better at managing the aftereffects of these kinds of attacks (since their corporation does include a specialization in enterprise server solutions), whereas Sony is still Sony, with problematic infrastructure, and a lack of technical expertise in this exact field (or whoever they pay to manage their networks third-party, I don't know).
 
Sorry, I'm really out of the loop with all of this and way behind on things (been a busy holiday week) but I thought another hacker group outed these Lizard guys a couple weeks ago? Did that turn out not to be true or did it not really do anything to stop them from still doing this kind of stuff?

I thought after that happened the police would have gotten involved or something.
 
brandonh83 said:
I returned the Wii U and then nuked my place from orbit; it was the only way to be sure.
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Those space spiders, they'll get ya next.

(I'm now picturing spiders in space and I'm nonplussed by this.)

So Xbox Live is back, but achievements aren't tracking. Likely they won't pop and will take weeks/a month to unlock, for those interested.
 
Aroll said:
I understand. I just figured 3+ years later, they would have had this sorted, you know? I know companies can be slow anbd sit on their hands and debate for eons on what should or shouldn't be done, but then, it's still their fault either way.

I think we can all agree it sucks that hackers even want to target companies and get people's personal information. It sucks that people want to DDoS and "hurt" millions of gamers and their ability to play games just for the hell of it. It does suck, no matter who you enjoy.

I'm a Wii U and Xbox One guy, but I want a PS4 pretty bad. Just waiting for the right time. I just... am not really sure what to think when this stuff happens. I'm not like rah rah Microsoft is awesome! Just more so that I as a consumer feel more secure on their account systems, because they haven't been compromised anywhere that I am aware of, and security and server stuff is exactly what the company does every day in most departments, making me feel like Live is secure. Now, that's not obviously 100% factual evidence, but as I said, for me, the proof is in teh results. I never once stated PSN was worse than Xbox Live security today, but I am not really trying to compare them. Just that neither should really be put down unless something happens again.
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I think if this attack has taught us anything it's that this can happen to anyone really doesn't matter how big or small the company is if it can't be prevented anyone can be subject to this type of attack. And Sony has to be transparent because of security lapses in the past but on the other hand MS prides themselves on their software skills and they've undoubtedly been hacked before but you won't ever hear MS talk about it for obvious reasons.
 
I am able to log into my account online on my Vita and access my download list, but there are times when it fails to connect to PSN. So it is possible to connect, but it's mainly a matter of luck I guess.

Blearth said:
Steams still up
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That's cuz it isn't Tuesday.
 
I haven't turned on my PS4 since the 23rd. Just turned it on and PSN is working fine for me.
Even have a large Far Cry 4 update downloading.
 
Hoodbury said:
Sorry, I'm really out of the loop with all of this and way behind on things (been a busy holiday week) but I thought another hacker group outed these Lizard guys a couple weeks ago? Did that turn out not to be true or did it not really do anything to stop them from still doing this kind of stuff?

I thought after that happened the police would have gotten involved or something.
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I and many others think Finest Squad is Lizard Squad messing about. So I doubt the dox was real.
 
I love the non-satire "Christmas ruined" comments doing the rounds and in the media.

Please, remind me again what you THINK Christmas is about..?
 
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