Is it wrong to look if someone is showing cleavage?

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ultraspank said:
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Dats some bull tho

Why can't a brother love and want both?

This is not a black and white issue LOL
 
This thread reminds me of those twitch streamers who wore really low cut tops and had their camera angled down to look at them, for quite clearly obvious reasons as it attracted more viewers and they'd have their camera scene bigger than the game. When you do something like that, then complain that people are staring at your boobs, then I think you're the one in the wrong.
 
BreezyLimbo said:
Thats the key. Too much of anything is bad. Seriously. Except sex. Never enough intercourse.

Ahem. But yeah, obviously if the person asks you to atop, you stop. If they make a physical sign that they're uncomfortable, you stop. But you shouldnt assume that all women DON'T want to be stared at. The opposite is true too. Moderation is key.
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Sure; some want to be stared at, at least by some people.. they enjoy it.

I once made a girl angry by not looking at her breasts; it was quite rude of me in retrospect.
 
Nothing wrong with a quick glance. Just know that every time you look, that's one more chance of being caught. It's like making money at the casino, you have to wonder how far you are willing to push your luck.
 
StayDead said:
This thread reminds me of those twitch streamers who wore really low cut tops and had their camera angled down to look at them, for quite clearly obvious reasons as it attracted more viewers and they'd have their camera scene bigger than the game. When you do something like that, then complain that people are staring at your boobs, then I think you're the one in the wrong.
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But are the girls on Twitch playing games while having the camera pointed at their chests the same girls complaining about unwanted attention in public?
 
StayDead said:
This thread reminds me of those twitch streamers who wore really low cut tops and had their camera angled down to look at them, for quite clearly obvious reasons as it attracted more viewers and they'd have their camera scene bigger than the game. When you do something like that, then complain that people are staring at your boobs, then I think you're the one in the wrong.
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Did those specific people complain, or are all women one thing now?
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Did those specific people complain, or are all women one thing now?
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This was a good few of the twitch streamers I was mentioning. I'm not claiming this is a thing everyone does. Some of the twitch streamers who were doing similar things even revelled in it since they were living off donations of people with a lot of money to burn paying to have their name written on a text scene on the stream who they claimed were their "stream boyfriends" for the day.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
You keep saying words are being put in your mouth, but no one said that looking at cleavage once means you're probably a rapist.

Using biology as an excuse for ogling women is straight up weird. You're not the one doing that and you're not who I was referring to.

But you can't get defensive if you make a thread claiming that every time you talk to a coworker, you can't help but look at her boobs. I think we are in universal agreement in this thread that it's very much okay to look. But you're asking for trouble if you stare or you can't avert your gaze at least once for a simple conversation.

She may not even know what she's doing, but in a work environment it's the polite thing to do to not tell her breasts that they need to turn in their report before they leave.
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You know what? You're right. My earlier comments were uncalled for and I should not have said that. For that I apologize.
 
If the higher power had not wanted us to look at cleavage, he would have not separated the boobs. it would be one giant boob straining the sweater.
 
Bronetta said:
You know what? You're right. My earlier comments were uncalled for and I should not have said that. For that I apologize.
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It's all good I think everyone in this thread (myself included) has done a fair share of lumping people together. Hey, I just did it again.

But I think your questions have been answered at this point, as long as you're not going overboard it's pretty socially acceptable to take a brief gander at the boobage.
 
Glancing is fine, staring is not. Doesn't bother me too much though, they're there and I can't do too much about it so if they bring some enjoyment to other people that's good. But there is a difference between appreciating and perving. Where that line is depends on how well I know you though, I've had friends be unable to stop staring and I just laugh it off but I wouldn't tolerate that from a stranger.
 
royalan said:
I didn't say men face no social pressure, I said they don't face a lot. May sound a bit defensive but honestly there's an important distinction there.

Yeah, obviously a man can be creepy enough to a point that society just acknowledges him as creepy. But look at popular media just in the US going back decades: straight men openly displaying their sexuality and attraction to females is often encouraged (typically by other men), thought of as flattering, and often even when it's derided it's only done so comically or half-hearted (an "Oh, you boys!" sort of reaction).

You have a point that women can behave the same way and not be seen as creepy, but there are other reasons for that (nor is this universally true) and, again, this is unrelated to anything I said.
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We may be going round and round in circles however I still think creep is probably the strongest words you can call a man. The only thing I think of a stronger are murderer, rapist or paedophile. Dudes don't want to be viewed as creepy. That's how you get 30+ page threads that initially were with the started of discussing the prevalence of drink spiking, and dickheads contorted to make it about my ego being bruised over a girl palming her drink.

Oh and as for male behaviour being viewed as boys being boys. To some extent I agree with you. The cat calling threads support that a little.
 
you dont hang a painting on the wall you know is nice unless you want someone to admire

i mean its just looking. whats the harm?

there is of course a limit to the admiration.

i mean if i run around with a shirt that shows off a 6 pack around the office im sure it would draw womens eyes too.

its just the thing with breasts is ... they are large ( usually ), and right out in the open and front and center in the womans body lol. Its impossible not to look, seriously ( unless of course you are obvious and excessive about it ). Even when staring at the womans face you still see the tits in your peripheral vision. So always baffled me when women get angry about it. I've never personally experienced that though
 
I agree that "creepy" is a pretty gendered term these days. Some women can definitely act "creepy" but do they specifically get called our for creepy behavior or are directly called "creeps" as often?

Some of the women in my office are definitely creepy. I actively avoid office parties because I do not want to be around them when they're drunk.
 
HellofaMouse said:
i remember once i was staring into empty space, didnt even notice there was a big pair of boobs right in the center of my view.

she was looking at me like i just punched her mother in the face. didnt even try to explain myself, just walked away.
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"I wasn't looking at you, I was looking THROUGH you."
 
Best to be both an Assman and a Boobman at the same level. That way you can complement her on what she's most confident and happy with.

I don't stare though, unless I know her well and can pull of a proper joke of admiration on it.

What about eyes though? I love to watch the eye(colour)s too, but eye contact can be quite intense, I'm the type who greet with eye contact, it's the proper greeting any way.
 
Anyone else have a problem with eye contact? If I'm having a conversation and someone is looking at me, I naturally just tend to look down a lot. When I'm talking to a woman showing cleavage, it's like holy shit, of course I want to look down even more. It takes every amount of will power to keep my eyes up. So much so that I can't concentrate on what they're saying. I just keep thinking "Oh god, don't look down, don't look down."
 
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