LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

Miktar said:
I maintain the people who were just interviewed on the BBC aren't the actual people initiating the DDoS attacks under the name of LizardSquad. As for the motives of actually instigating such attacks, who knows. One can only guess. Personally, I think they're sociopaths who found a shiny button to press. They may even be the original people behind Lulsec and other DDoS happy faces over the last few years. It's all just a big game to them.
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Of course, that was all assuming they are even part of the group. Could easily just be unconnected people getting in on it.

I spent the evening learning instead of playing Destiny. Maybe I should be grateful...
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
I need your help GAF.

When I place a disc in my X1's drive it's still showing "insert disc" on the main screen. I know things haven't been working right since this has been going on, so should I be worried, or is this normal right now?
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It just happens sometimes. Try click on the game icon from games and apps or if you have it pinned.
 
Yep, PSN is actually getting worse for me, haha.

App doesn't work and now I can't even get to the part on my PS4 where I put it in my password. When I hit "Sign In" it just gives me an error before I can even enter my login info.

Welp! WiiU time :)
 
This says a lot.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/26/tech/playstation-xbox-problems/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews
 
I'm sure this was covered, but Live seems to work fine on XB1, but I can't connect to the Dragon Age servers. It seems like they should be a separate thing -- is this happening for everyone?
 
kitch9 said:
What do you think you should have advised him to get that is completely impervious to this?

I'd like to know so I can buy one.
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Oh come on. He probably didn't mean any console in particular. I got my friend NBA2k15 and that won't work offline either. Feels sort of like a shitty gift.
 
Noobcraft said:
Either a faulty disc or faulty drive. I put Driveclub in my XB1 once (no reason lol) and it still showed insert disc. Try another disc if possible.
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I tried both Forza Horiszon and GTA V, both of which have always worked. FH2 fired up when I selected it via Pin. Like I said though, it says "insert disc" on the main screen. The discs are in mint condition.

It just happens sometimes. Try click on the game icon from games and apps or if you have it pinned.
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Oh wow, so this is something that happens on occasion? Ugh, I don't feel good about that. Wonder if I should be calling Microsoft to send it in?
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
I tried both Forza Horiszon and GTA V, both of which have always worked. FH2 fired up when I selected it via Pin. Like I said though, it says "insert disc" on the main screen. The discs are in mint condition.
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Hard reset your console. Hopefully should be fine after that.
 
Miktar said:
I maintain the people who were just interviewed on the BBC aren't the actual people initiating the DDoS attacks under the name of LizardSquad. As for the motives of actually instigating such attacks, who knows. One can only guess. Personally, I think they're sociopaths who found a shiny button to press. They may even be the original people behind Lulsec and other DDoS happy faces over the last few years. It's all just a big game to them.
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Also thank you for your posts, especially the explanation of why it could be difficult to catch these guys.

Really interesting.
 
If I'm going to go down with my PSN tonight I might as well go down with the best cheap stuff that money can buy.

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Alcander said:
I'm sure this was covered, but Live seems to work fine on XB1, but I can't connect to the Dragon Age servers. It seems like they should be a separate thing -- is this happening for everyone?
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I got onto the servers about an hour ago and got the Christmas chest in multi but it won't connect anymore
 
The thing I'm sort of the most bummed about isn't the downtime, its the monetary repercussions for Sony.

I mean, I'd hate to see more people lose jobs because of those asshats, or worse yet, Sony going under (although I doubt the Japanese government would ever let that happen).
 
breakfuss said:
Oh come on. He probably didn't mean any console in particular. I got my friend NBA2k15 and that won't work offline either. Feels sort of like a shitty gift.
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Can he only play the machine for this particular time of the year and will be unable to use for for the rest?
 
IcyEyes said:
I always read your posts with attention and well, looks like there isn't a real permanent solution to this attack.

I'm curious to ask you something:
What is (in your opinion of course) the most radical solution to this problem? Any answer/solution is legit, even the most "bizarre" !

Thanks
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The reason why DDoS works, is because it uses the way the internet "talks", the Transmission Control Protocol, against itself. TCP is one of the most fundamental building blocks of the Internet (it's a part of the Internet Protocol Suite, or IP). That's where "TCP/IP" comes from.

The basics of TCP come from the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, from a paper published in 1974. It was a genius bit of work, but it didn't anticipate the sheer size of the internet today, how reliant people would be on it, and how easily it could be subverted.

There isn't just one style of DDoS attack, there are many, that's how numerous the issues with the TCP protocol are. And the best people can do, for now, is "mitigate", lessen the effects, slow things down and try to filter out the junk, etc. But it's a war that can't be won, because as long as TCP has its fundamental issues, people can abuse it.

The solution would be - write a new, modern protocol. In a way, that's not unlike how operating systems improved over the years. Windows 95 had so many exploitable issues, some got patched, but others were a hard-coded issue in the core of the OS. So Windows 98 comes out, those issues not present because it was a new core. Although that core had it's own issues. Even so, the viruses that used to plague home computers in the 90s, don't exist anymore because they simply can't function in the modern ecosystem. Except now we have a new paradigm: malware. Still kind of like a virus, but different enough that conventional protection doesn't catch it. Antivirus software doesn't defend against malware, although some antivirus companies are starting to release anti-malware as an addition to their antivirus. Anyway, malware is usually non-destructive, and the kind that add your computer to a zombie botnet are designed to basically do nothing to ever alert you to its existence, because if your computer started acting up, you might go looking for the problem and find it. Until the botnet is told to do something, and then your PC starts broadcasting its contribution to the DDoS attack.

So yeah, a totally new internet protocol that doesn't allow itself to be used for DDoS attacks! Sounds great, entirely possible - except you have to replace the entire current internet, with this new internet. And who will lead us to this brand new land? I'm sure every corporation has an idea, and perhaps there are a few coalitions that might form to suggest it. But you've seen how impossible it is for companies to agree on a global standard. Everyone wants to use the things they own the patent for, so that they can make money off ideas. It's a mess.

I sometimes think the only reason the internet exists as it does today, is because it was lucky enough to be born before anyone could really claim ownership of it. But that means it has no steward, nobody is responsible for it, or takes care of it. And therein lay our problem.

We need to replace it, but can't.
 
Their reasons for doing this aren't actually that crazy. If this forces companies to upgrade their security and have faster response times to these attacks then it's a good thing.

The bad thing is the many innocents getting caught in crossfire.
 
Can I ask a dumb question
and then get slapped down for it
?

The root cause of this is the way TCP/IP works and the presence of large botnets, right? If it was just the lizard idiots' own servers that were generating the traffic then they wouldn't be to generate sufficient volume to swamp services?

There must be a signature profile for a zombie PC (n pings to IPs in range this narrow, say), ISPs could identify and throttle identified zombies, couldn't they?

I'm not saying it's easy or even practical, but isn't it possible in theory?
 
*sigh* All I want to do is be able to redeem the PSN credit I bought with a gift card today and download Suikoden 2 and Munch's Oddysee for Vita. :(
 
EatMyFace said:
Their reasons for doing this aren't actually that crazy. If this forces companies to upgrade their security and have faster response times to these attacks then it's a good thing.

The bad thing is the many innocents getting caught in crossfire.
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There reason for doing it is completely crazy. We would all be gaming right now if if wasn't for them. Trying to white knight this shit by claiming its all for "future" security is so stupid.
 
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