LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

Ok US Government. Put my tax dollars to good use and shut down these losers!! And some jail time with bubba would be good also...
 
haven't been able to play online on the PS4 for 2 days now. the wife is pissed she can't play advanced warfare.

PS3 online was working earlier and we played a few rounds of BO2 zombies, but now that's dead too.
 
Yoshichan said:
6 minutes in and I finally managed to put my fist through my CRT screen

Now my hand hurts. Great.
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Don't hurt your self yoshi. I cannot watch it because i feel the cringe is so hard that the BBC even made a fool out of them self just giving what they wanted all the attention in the world.
 
SG-17 said:
So conceivably how long could an attack like this go on?
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Indefinitely. But it's unlikely it will - the longer it runs, the more the botnet reveals of itself, and the more parts of it can be attacked and taken offline. That would undo a lot of the growth it's made, so it's not really an ideal situation.

geordiemp said:
If USA companies and servers keep getting attacked from China Botnets then maybe this could happen and USA could throttle all internet coming from China / Korea ?
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Perhaps - but this would have such a massive impact on businesses in the US that trade with China, or have their HQs there, etc, it's unlikely it'll happen. You'd have a giant outcry from the industrial/commercial sector, that they're losing billions while their routes to China/Korea are being blocked. The US, as much as it likes to pretend otherwise, is a pretty central global industrial complex.
 
Stupid question of the year coming up...

If the internet is fundamentally flawed and is susceptible to this sort of thing, and in theory needs revolutionizing but it can't happen due to our reliance on it, what's stopping an industry creating their own internet, as it were? Maybe not one company, maybe several (it'd be in their interest, right?). What's stopping someone creating their own closed loop? If the language is utterly alien to what we already know, then it's possible?

I guess as with most things, it's cost. At some point you'd imagine we'd/they'd have to change the rules of the game once it starts becoming cost effecive?
 
divinedbullet said:
North Korea said they'd destroy sony if they released the interview

lol
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Yes and since the SOE are all in the same server farm as I've said previously how the hell woukd know that this hasnt been the reason many ppl habe complained about speeds from sony servers for years... For all we know it could be.
 
arevin01 said:
Has PSN been down all of yesterday and today? That's pretty unbelievable if true.
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Being down and being attacked by a DDOS are two different things actually (PSN/LIVE were hit by a DDOS).

The system was up, you could actually still play, as long as you actually got in.

The problem being is that a DDOS are millions of unneccesary handshakes. AKA, lots of things trying to get in that don't have to. In other words, too many damn people are trying to get into the door at the same time.

Once you're in, everything would be fine, but since you're competing with the DDOS, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than actually getting in.
 
AmyS said:
Yeah, that's the Internet2 I meant.
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I guess if the consortium that runs it decides they wanted to expand it beyond its original education and research scope, perhaps... But it isn't nearly big enough to handle, well, the planet's current Internet needs just being shoved on to it. It would take decades of laying additional infrastructure. And who would pay for that?

Nodnol said:
Stupid question of the year coming up...

If the internet is fundamentally flawed and is susceptible to this sort of thing, and in theory needs revolutionizing but it can't happen due to our reliance on it, what's stopping an industry creating their own internet, as it were? Maybe not one company, maybe several (it'd be in their interest, right?). What's stopping someone creating their own closed loop? If the language is utterly alien to what we already know, then it's possible?

I guess as with most things, it's cost. At some point you'd imagine we'd/they'd have to change the rules of the game once it starts becoming cost effecive?
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Been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet2 - except it's not big enough to handle the planet, not global enough, and who's going to pay to lay all the infrastructure out, globally, to make it the new go-to Internet?

It might still happen, if things get bad enough, that several corporations will decide it is in their best interest to revolutionize the internet. Quantum communications, or a billion balloons in orbit that give free Wi-Fi (hello Google, you Loon), whatever. And if it is appealing enough, people will switch to it, and we'll have a whole new set of problems to deal with, but at least some of the old ones will go away.
 
greenwolfe7 said:
We don't have any official answer yet so we are technically still in the dark. Wait for Sony to respond which will happen after everything is working again... they won't waste time talking to us :(
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If they said we are down because we want to catch the fuckers would be good but there direct competitor is now up so makes sony look real bad.
 
silentchiloner said:
If they said we are down because we want to catch the fuckers would be good but there direct competitor is now up so makes sony look real bad.
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They have the potential to be down for various reasons though apart from a ddos attack though they habe several things going on with Sony Pictures and a bunch of different issues woth SOE to deal with.
 
Miktar said:
You're not wrong, and that is how a lot of DDoS mitigation works. It's a several step process.

1. Darknet of Mitigation Company reports that there is a lot of DDoS like activity starting to flood a specific IP range.
2. Said IP range is used by Company B who has hired the Mitigation Company to help protect them.
3. Mitigation Company analyzes what their darknet honeypots and scanners are seeing, identifies the type and scale of attack.
4. Mitigation Company alerts Company B, and tells them to switch their routing tables for their services to funnel everything through Mitigation Company's servers.
5. Now Mitigation Company is filtering all the DDoS junk flooding in, using their expert knowledge. They are also in contact with all the major ISPs and trunks along the route the DDoS is coming from, but a lot of this comes from other nations. There's only so much you can do in the telecoms industry when dealing with national divides, and how responsible other countries might feel about what's coming out of their ISPs. While the target of a botnet exists in one place, the botnet itself can exist in multiple countries, all around the world, all attacking at the same time, from all those locations. We're talking millions of PCs all simultaneously doing a thing. It's like if your entire yard suddenly exploded with ant nests, and you have one spraycan. You can call for help, others that will come and spray, but that will take some time. Or you can hire a full platoon to stand in your yard all day, just in case. And if ants never come, wow you're spending a lot of money to have people stand in your yard.
6. Mitigation Company is using its knowledge of the style of DDoS to mitigate the attack somewhat, but there are always false positives, and so users of Company B are still seeing timeouts, disconnections, or other issues.
7. Mitigation Company is also reporting back anything they learn about the DDoS to anti-malware companies, so that the anti-malware people can create innoculations or removals for the style of malware that might be causing this particular DDoS.
8. DDoS starts to dial down, Company B can resume normal operations, and Mitigation Company gets paid for services rendered if they're not already on retainer.

Wash rinse repeat each time the malware changes, the style of attack changes, etc. It's an arms race. The problem being, while anti-malware and mitigation does get more complex and sophisticated, botnets grow exponentially and have brute force on their side. If a botnet can't take down the datacenter of Company B, it might try to take down the ISP that provides them access, or the ISPs that connect to the ISP that provides them access, and so on.
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Learning so much from your posts here. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.
 
Nodnol said:
Stupid question of the year coming up...

If the internet is fundamentally flawed and is susceptible to this sort of thing, and in theory needs revolutionizing but it can't happen due to our reliance on it, what's stopping an industry creating their own internet, as it were? Maybe not one company, maybe several (it'd be in their interest, right?). What's stopping someone creating their own closed loop? If the language is utterly alien to what we already know, then it's possible?

I guess as with most things, it's cost. At some point you'd imagine we'd/they'd have to change the rules of the game once it starts becoming cost effecive?
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It IS being worked on. There's things like Internet2. But it takes time and lots of research before something new could possibly replace the current internet infrastructure.
 
Where is the PSN and the XBL? Where is the online that was flowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
How did it come to this?
fuck lizard squad
 
Fix The Scientist said:
Where is the PSN and the XBL? Where is the online that was flowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
How did it come to this?
fuck lizard squad
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dammit, I recognized this too. Topkek.
 
mreddie said:
Hello offline, my old friend
I've come to play with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its connection while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted
In my brain still remains
With the sound of silence
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"Offline Gaf" reminds me of college all nighters when everyone has been driven crazy by lack of sleep and stress. Good poem, I enjoyed!
 
EscoBlades said:
Learning so much from your posts here. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.
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You're welcome - but don't take everything I say as gospel either. I'm not all that clued up on how these things worked, which I realized when this all started, so I've been spending the last few days just... reading. It's really fun to learn new things - my favorite being discovering how network telescopes work. I'm bound to have a lot of stuff wrong too, which I hope someone will correct if they notice I'm talking out my arse.
 
I know this is completely reactionary and short sided, but I will consider this next time around when choosing which console to buy first.
 
I hope Sony keeps the flash sale thing going. I wanted dragon age for 38 dollars. Is there anyway at all to get to the playstation store right now?
 
I'm away from all my dedicated game devices for the holidays, so I'm not directly affected by this, but I'm still frustrated and upset by it. It's the lack of goal is the most frustrating part. It's the kind of thing people end up attaching conspiracy theories to to make them feel better.
 
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