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[Dead Man]

You can not make an assumption like that... all cops are on edge because of what happened last week, and this brainless wonder decides to dance behind a cop...

If you ask me, he got what he deserved.

Got what he deserved? For having the temerity to dance behind someone? Fuck off with that noise. The cop should have a better handle on his fucking emotions. The guy deserved a laugh and a suggestion to move on.

First off, if you were a cop, I wouldn't dance behind you, because thats stupid.

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

Nope, not ignoring you. You don't have some right to be free from criticism when you spout shit as stupid as your posts in here. If you danced behind me (well, not you, anyone else though) I would laugh it off as the joke it was intended to be.

 

[number47]

No, I'm pretty sure that's actually a textbook example of victim blaming.

So just make a kickstarter so you can harass cops while they are on the job here. Im sure you'll get tons of support.

 

[kmax]

Wow, the victim blaming defense force is strong today.

The cops had no right assaulting him for dancing. How can anyone conceivably justify that?

 

[xxracerxx]

First off, if you were a cop, I wouldn't dance behind you, because thats stupid.

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

What a fucking cop-out.

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ZING!

 

[uncredited male]

100% serious!

Seriously, how stupid can one person be to take an Ellen 'dance dare' and instead of picking a normal person, they go and pick a cop... A city full of 8 million people and this person picks a cop...

smh

This is an implication that police officers who legally bear a higher standard of civility in many states are actually more prone to lose their shit.

 

[Corpekata]

First off, if you were a cop, I wouldn't dance behind you, because thats stupid.

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

You're free to have any opinion. You're not free from having people recognize your opinions are shit and be called out for it, especially on a frigging discussion forum.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

What an idiot for dancing behind a cop's blind spot after 2 were gunned down. It's not victim blaming the dude was a dumb ass.

Dancing is not a crime.

So where would you have drawn the line here? If they punched him in the face would he have deserved that? What about being tased? Shot? Where do you draw the line?

If a direct family member of mine was recently shot and killed, that still does not grant me the right to assault someone for dancing.

 

[Jebusman]

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

Your free to have any opinion you want.

It doesn't mean your opinion is any less stupid because of this disclaimer.

If anything you just amplified the stupidity of your statement through this, as now everyone is going to focus on it.

Well done, you went full potato.

 

[Corpekata]

So just make a kickstarter so you can harass cops while they are on the job here. Im sure you'll get tons of support.

Really having trouble following this logic. Because I said he was victim blaming, I now want to start a kickstarter and harass cops?

 

[Beatofficer]

You can not make an assumption like that... all cops are on edge because of what happened last week, and this brainless wonder decides to dance behind a cop...

If you ask me, he got what he deserved.

So what you're saying is that nobody should walk, run, stand, kiss, dance or anything around any NYPD members because they're on edge and will assault you if you startle them?

 

[RumblingRosco]

First off, if you were a cop, I wouldn't dance behind you, because thats stupid.

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

It isn't an altercation between two people, it is assault by the person that threw the dancer into the car.

Also, it is pretty weak to post and then tell us that if we don't like it we have to ignore it. Stand your ground and be willing to listen to others if you post a controversial opinion.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Dont behave like a jackass trying to provoke the police, dont get thrown on the ground

Wat

 

[royalan]

Ok, was the guy stupid? Personally, I think hell yes. He should have known that, as a black man, even breathing next to a member of the Southside NYPD ("Suuuuu-weee!") was going to end badly for him.

But as has been said multiple times, the initial lapse in judgment is not justification for police brutality.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

You come into the thread saying that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.
And then you expect us to just ignore your opinion because its your opinion and we can't challenge you on it?

GTFO with that shit.

 

[megamerican]

The prank was in poor taste given recent events, but the cop really shouldn't have pushed the guy. Also I think saying the cop threw him to the ground is a little much, guy was pushed away from the cops and tripped.

 

[Derwind]

The problem with a lot of these discussions is the dividing line between the amount of leeway we want to give police to properly ensure nothing bad is going on and the amount of overreach they are showing by acting the way they are.

For example, let's say we agree that this guy shouldn't have been dancing in the officer's blind spot. In fact, I'd even say I understand the premise: not because dancing behind officer's is wrong, but because right now tensions are so high that people might overreact.

But, there is a far cry from understanding that - and then perhaps saying the officer had a right to question him politely - from saying the officer had a right to call four other officers over, bully and intimidate the guy, curse him into submission and then literally push him to the ground after they find no crime.

Their job should have stopped at politely questioning him to determine if a crime is committed. After that, they are completely in the wrong.

This guy is ZERO TO BLAME for the cops abusing their position to once again berate and assault a man innocent of any crimes.

Really all that needs to be said.

This is a joke, right?

Most definitely.

 

[Boss Mog]

Yes let's arrest Ellen Degeneres. Enjoy your ban.

Wow so the same guy bitching about an oppressive and bullying authority does the exact same thing to a person that doesn't agree with him. Such hypocrisy on GAF.

What I don't like about off-topic on GAF is there can be no discussion, everything is either black or white, no in between (when in reality there are only shades of grey). If anybody tries to play devil's advocate for even a second against the "moral" majority they are torn apart and sometimes even banned without real cause. I understand bans for people that make stupid remarks that aren't constructive and such but I've also seen them when the person was just trying to look at the flip side of the coin to try and better grasp the whole picture.

While I definitely think the cops treated him horribly, I still think that what the guy did was inherently stupid. I mean cops have guns and they are trained to react to threats. I would never sneak up on a cop from behind. They're trained to react to people possibly trying to attack them from behind or trying to take their gun. Cops are not jokesters that you should fool around with.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

And people wonder why there are those that don't like the fucking police...

Bullies with a badge.

 

[Amir0x]

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Yes, and it would be a crime. It's assault.

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

The cops have a right to question the guys motive, and see if he committed a crime.
They do not have the right to insult him, intimidate him, and then assault him.

The line? Do you know it?

 

[akira28]

nypd been assholes for as long as I can remember. And definitely back to the 19th century.

And people wonder why there are those that don't like the fucking police...

Bullies with a badge.

real talk, at this point it's probably more people wondering why there are those that LIKE the police. People think rooting for the blue team will keep them out of trouble, until it doesn't, then they're all like "the police need serious reforms"

I know very few adults that like the cops. Most of them are cop family themselves.

 

[SummitAve]

Looked like the cop was moving him along and he went dramatically flying off camera. The music doesn't help either.

 

[OverBlood 3]

He wasn't really stood behind him either just to the side, surely he'll be disqualified from the dance dare.

 

[Manus]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

 

[NinjaTehFish]

"What you dancing in the street for?"

 

[Piecake]

What power-tripping d-bags

 

[xxracerxx]

Wow so the same guy bitching about an oppressive and bullying authority does the exact same thing to a person that doesn't agree with him. Such hypocrisy on GAF.

What I don't like about off-topic on GAF is there can be no discussion, everything is either black or white, no in between (when in reality there are only shades of grey). If anybody tries to play devil's advocate for even a second against the "moral" majority they are torn apart and sometimes even banned without real cause. I understand bans for people that make stupid remarks that aren't constructive and such but I've also seen them when the person was just trying to look at the flip side of the coin to try and better grasp the whole picture.

While I definitely think the cops treated him horribly, I still think that what the guy did was inherently stupid. I mean cops have guns and they are trained to react to threats. I would never sneak up on a cop from behind. They're trained to react to people possibly trying to attack them from behind or trying to take their gun. Cops are not jokesters that you should fool around with.

Please do not try to lump all discussions into this broad picture (which is complete bullshit) you are trying to paint here.

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

......I don't even.

 

[CrankyJay]

The prank was in poor taste given recent events, but the cop really shouldn't have pushed the guy. Also I think saying the cop threw him to the ground is a little much, guy was pushed away from the cops and tripped.

Can't really tell from the Paul Greengrass shaky cam footage. But I will say on second thought, a car rolls by right where he landed a few seconds later. That could have been bad. Real bad.

 

[royalan]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

Because it is assault. It is technically assault.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

Hurray for not understanding the definition of assault.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

What you talkin bout Willis?

Putting your hands on someone is an assault.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Anyone who is taking the dancers side on this, is an idiot!!!

Just remember. This is the same guy that just wants to say his opinion and not have it challenged.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

What do you call it? Flirting?

 

[Beatofficer]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

By legal definition, shoving someone down is assault and a quick Google search produces people talking about being charged for assaulting simply by shoving someone.

 

[The Cowboy]

That really did not look like they threw his to the ground to me, frankly it looks like a footballers dive to me in that he was gently pushed (if you could even call it that) and he decided to go with it and fall to the ground. The cops are in the wrong for even questioning him (i can agree on that) for the dancing, but from the footage and how the cops hand moves (with barely any force at all) to me it looks like he took a dive.

It may very well be he didn't, but it really does not look like any force at all was applied to making him fall to the ground.

 

[Omega Ultimus]

First off, if you were a cop, I wouldn't dance behind you, because thats stupid.

If I danced behind you, and you're a normal person, and you get annoyed and you throw me up against a car, then it turns into an altercation between two people...

Either way, I am with the cop on this.

Also, this goes out to anyone else commenting in this thread... if you do not like my opinion, then ignore it. It's my opinion to have.

We hold cop's to a higher standard because they have been given the privilege to protect and serve the people, by the people. They need to keep cooler heads because they are carrying more authority and power; if they refuse to remain civil themselves, then they are abusing that power and should be immediately stripped of their badge.

I'm not saying it wasn't a bad idea for the man to dance behind a cop, but their reaction should've been calm, as they responsibly asked him what he was doing, and made their point through a polite discourse that it unnerved them (understandably, as per the recent events).

Also, if you post an opinion, then you are engaging in a conversation. People want to help others realize the importance of the truth of this event, and if they see a contradictory statement, then they also have a right to voice their's, as well.

EDIT: I may have been a little late on this reply...

 

[royalan]

What do you call it? Flirting?

Well, I mean, Tuesday nights down at the leather bar can get a little kinky...

 

[Amir0x]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

.

1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

Man that "LOL" looks pretty dumb now

 

[CrankyJay]

What you talkin bout Willis?

Putting your hands on someone is an assault.

Cops won't arrest solely for that (unless you do it to them). I got lit up in high school by some bullies but because I had no visible marks they said they couldn't charge anyone with assault. Maybe they just didn't want to get involved, but we can't go arrestmg everyone who lays their hands on someone of no real harm has occurred.

 

[Dead Man]

Lol at people in here calling a shove an assault.

Go and shove someone in front of a cop and see what happens.

Cops won't arrest solely for that. I got lit up in high school by some bullies but because I had no visible marks they said they couldn't charge anyone with assault. Maybe they just didn't want to get involved, but we can't go arrestmg everyone who lays their hands on someone of no real harm has occurred.

No, but if they see it happening most cops will step in. And it is enough to constitute a charge in lots of places if the cop feels like it. Especially if the person shoved is an authority figure.

 

[akira28]

Anyone who is taking the dancers side on this, is an idiot!!!

but are we human or are we dancer?

 

[mercenar1e]

if any changes will come to the NYPD it has to start from the bottom up.. de blasio and the rookies at the graduation ceremony is a clear example of that.

 

[ramuh]

I think the Cops had the right to frisk the guy to make sure he wasn't up to no good, and then just release him. They didn't have to shove him.

 

[Tangeroo]

In the cops' defense, they recently transferred to the NYPD from the FLPD

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Footloose Police Department

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[Angelus Errare]

You can not make an assumption like that... all cops are on edge because of what happened last week, and this brainless wonder decides to dance behind a cop...

If you ask me, he got what he deserved.

Black people have been on edge for what's been happening to them for the last 300+ years. Yet if this was a discussion about those stupid "prank" videos and how said pranksters get beat up for doing really fucked up shit to said black people, everyone would be going "Wow there was no need to attack him! SMH, just walk away! Violence never solves anything!"

 

[xxracerxx]

That really did not look like they threw his to the ground to me, frankly it looks like a footballers dive to me in that he was gently pushed (if you could even call it that) and he decided to go with it and fall to the ground. The cops are in the wrong for even questioning him (i can agree on that) for the dancing, but from the footage and how the cops hand moves (with barely any force at all) to me it looks like he took a dive.

It may very well be he didn't, but it really does not look like any force at all was applied to making him fall to the ground.

There is force there, add in slippery conditions and you have a fall. The guy did not take a dive.

 

[TheStruggler]

*looks at thread*

 

[CrankyJay]

I think the Cops had the right to frisk the guy to make sure he wasn't up to no good, and then just release him. They didn't have to shove him.

The thing is, the video was editing for commentary and you can't really hear what the guy was saying to the cops. Maybe he was being an ass. Who can say?

 

[samn]

Bad idea for that guy to be doing it, honestly. As a civilian I would be a little upset if someone started picking on me like that, perhaps a little creeped out if I was a woman. And police are trained, rightly or wrongly, to be suspicious of everyone they interact with, and seeing someone acting frantically in your blind spot might cause an instinctual negative reaction.

But after the initial shock, when he's explained what he's doing and when it's obvious his dumb activity is law abiding and poses no threat? They should have let him go, not been physically abusive. It's disgusting for anyone to act that way, let alone a police officer. And would anyone be surprised if race was a factor here?

Sure you can say 'both sides are in the wrong', but only one of them is paid by our taxes to act in a professional and upstanding manner at all times, and they're the ones that have earned far more scrutiny.

 

[royalan]

I think the Cops had the right to frisk the guy to make sure he wasn't up to no good, and then just release him. They didn't have to shove him.

The verbal insults were also completely shameful of them. Especially considering that when the dancing stopped he was completely compliant.

This was just completely thuggish, shameful behavior on the part of those cops.

 

[ZoddGutts]

What? I've publicly bashed the NYPD far more than I've defended them, look through some of my threads and posts.

Go away and stop trying to backseat mod.

Stop targeting him, enjoy your BAN

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jk

. It was cute that he did that though. lol