I think there is precedent for that in the GB GOTY too. I remember a similar discussion about how a disappointing game can still be a great game. I dont think thats true fo Destiny, but Brad def does.
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I think there is precedent for that in the GB GOTY too. I remember a similar discussion about how a disappointing game can still be a great game. I dont think thats true fo Destiny, but Brad def does.
The Dear Leader
Banned
Asking a Smash fan to relax, is like asking Dan who crafted the One Ring.
Jeff Green
Those aren't half bad. Good job. Do you have a Tumblr or one of those new-fangled blogamajigs?
I approve.
What they don't tell you is that he died like over 300 times before he managed to craft it properly
These are sick! My only suggestion would be to put small bags under Alex's eyes. Otherwise you pretty much nailed'em.
I have a tumblr but I haven't updated it for half a year or so :-|
It's pretty hard to get Dan's beard just right; he's right on the edge of 'deranged woodsman' and... well... 'even more deranged woodsman'
Mister Negative
Member
I hope today's podcast is just four hours of Jeff eviscerating Destiny like he did on Day 2.
That was magical.
That was magical.
Then he immediately broke it running in some acid.
its a pretty neat twine game. the original site is down right now but jayisgames has a mirror if you want to play it
Messofanego
Banned
Interesting, thanks.
Yeah, the whole Smash discussion over the past few+ pages has been really strange.
"He (they w/Brad) doesn't get it. They're wrongfully dismissive of the game/fans and won't articulate why." accentuated with, "Well just look at their Top 10, they like CoD/DOTA!"...strikes me as both strange and at odds with with the entire foundation of the argument against them.
They're incompetent for not liking your fave, Smash, but they're also idiots for liking your not-fave, CoD/DOTA. I'm sensing incongruities here.
You are a treasure Myggen, this section was easily my favourite of the day.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Since he's part of the deliberations I feel like he has to. He probably played more games than Vinny and Drew this year.
Them not picking smash makes a lot of sense, and I really have no problems with it whatsoever. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but even I can understand them going with something a little more new and original than the fourth game in a series that's barely iterating at this point.
I think the reason Nintendo fans get bent out of shape over this kind of stuff is mainly because they want Nintendo to be held up to that AAA standard of "being included just because it's a big AAA game" even though it's been a niche for quite a while. GB tends to treat it like a niche, with Jeff and Brad (although, really just Jeff, Brad's pretty cool with a lot of Nintendo games) coming from a background that doesn't really line up with the majority of Nintendo fans here. Smash and many other Nintendo games have the whole added appeal of "being a Nintendo game" that really attracts Nintendo fans (duh) but does nothing if you didn't really grow up with that.
None of that logic makes any sense, but that's probably where the mindset's coming from. I've got a good lock on the GB's crew's personalities, likes, and dislikes, so I'm just used to at this point and I can enjoy their picks based on what I know the crew's into. That's why I'm glad they have these podcasts: Sure, X game may not have won the X of the year award, but you can see who did like it and why, even if it's not articulated well. Just like the rest of the site, it's built around their personalities, not just arbitrary scores and a veil of secrecy. It's also why I really like the personal top 10 lists and the guest lists more than the overall categories. They even know how dumb awards really are and build in some really funny content to frame it all in.
I think the reason Nintendo fans get bent out of shape over this kind of stuff is mainly because they want Nintendo to be held up to that AAA standard of "being included just because it's a big AAA game" even though it's been a niche for quite a while. GB tends to treat it like a niche, with Jeff and Brad (although, really just Jeff, Brad's pretty cool with a lot of Nintendo games) coming from a background that doesn't really line up with the majority of Nintendo fans here. Smash and many other Nintendo games have the whole added appeal of "being a Nintendo game" that really attracts Nintendo fans (duh) but does nothing if you didn't really grow up with that.
None of that logic makes any sense, but that's probably where the mindset's coming from. I've got a good lock on the GB's crew's personalities, likes, and dislikes, so I'm just used to at this point and I can enjoy their picks based on what I know the crew's into. That's why I'm glad they have these podcasts: Sure, X game may not have won the X of the year award, but you can see who did like it and why, even if it's not articulated well. Just like the rest of the site, it's built around their personalities, not just arbitrary scores and a veil of secrecy. It's also why I really like the personal top 10 lists and the guest lists more than the overall categories. They even know how dumb awards really are and build in some really funny content to frame it all in.
Seeing that character during their conversation is so helpful. I completely forgot which terrible game Blackbay asylum was.
bigwinnerx
Member
Sorry if discussed.
So with today's schedule of Vinny, Kasavin, Shawn Allen, Giancarlo and Zoe, do they put up more today or are we figuring tomorrow is Jason, Stardust, Alex and a couple others?
So with today's schedule of Vinny, Kasavin, Shawn Allen, Giancarlo and Zoe, do they put up more today or are we figuring tomorrow is Jason, Stardust, Alex and a couple others?
Backfoggen
Banned
My condolences.
IMO the "Best Styyyyyllllleee" section was pretty unnecessary and the joke wore pretty thin after a while.
However, the "Hottest Mess" category is incredible. Drew's little rant was great. Incredible that DriveClub and Unity were overshadowed. Love the quips about EA not being nominated.
However, the "Hottest Mess" category is incredible. Drew's little rant was great. Incredible that DriveClub and Unity were overshadowed. Love the quips about EA not being nominated.
Vinny Caravella's nomination for "Best Style" game gets funnier the more I look at images of Black Bay Asylum:
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Vinny is the best.
I'm thinking they put up everything today. At least 6 guests, and all the other staff lists. They might push a couple of the staff lists to tomorrow though, no way to be sure.
Yeah, I can certainly see this. I think the big head-scratcher for me is the implication (painting in broad strokes here) that if one is not a vocal Nintendo fan then they're an Enemy of the State. What makes me put on the brakes is the understanding that not every GB member is going to be a Nintendo guy. Nor do they need to.
Dan is treated as a hero for bringing Nintendo into the conversation. Patrick and Alex to a lesser degree. But in my mind, all the guys have their unique tastes to bring to the table.
Brad is big on MOBAs. Drew gets jiggy with the hardcore flight sims. Jeff likes 1v1 fighters and retro classics. Patrick likes smaller indies & horror. Alex is the sports guy. And yes, Dan champions Nintendo.
So what's the problem here? That Jeff is dismissive of Nintendo? That's just one piece of a very diverse pie. And quite frankly, I find the insults thrown his way for not liking/supporting the company or its fans rather selfish. I personally think the podcast and video content from Giant Bomb would be an utter bore if every contributing member were clones of each other in regards to personal tastes.
I can see where Nintendo fans might feel slighted by Jeff's dismissive attitude toward the company/fans, but honestly isn't that liberally sprinkled around in other areas? How much griefing do Ubisoft, EA, Activision, etc. "enjoy" when they mess up? How much trashing has MS gotten over the past couple years over Xbox One?
Everyone takes their lumps in due course. Just as everyone enjoys their time in the sun when earned. Not sure why Nintendo has to be an unassailable special snowflake in this regard.
The guys are just gonna like what they like, simple as that. Seems kinda foolish to expect their personal tastes to line up with one's own. Even doubly so to get bent out of shape over it.
bigwinnerx
Member
Jeff and I are almost the same age and just something that comes with the territory. Takes a lot to impress me anymore.
YuriLowell
Member
He has just seen alot of shit.
Nintendo didn't really mess up though. They had one of their best years in a while. So your argument makes absolutely no sense.
But if you don't like Smash or MK that much, it doesn't really mater if they didn't mess up. Mario Kart is Mario Kart, and Smash is Smash. If you don't like the Smash franchise, the newest version won't convert you.
Even if you don't like those, its not like DKTF, Toad, Bayonetta 1/2, and from indies, Shovel Knight, The Fall, all didn't come out on the WiiU.
I'm not sure what your point is here. Jeff pushed for Wii U to win Best Exclusives and was pretty bullish on the system's current/future library yesterday.
It's at 1:02:55 for me on Day Three if you don't believe such words could ever pass his lips.
I don't think anyone's disputing that. But I'm talking about the two franchises Nintendo fans generally gets most upset about others not liking.
I'm not suggesting that they messed up. Only saying that when a company doesn't deliver, dirt gets kicked around on the podcast. And for Jeff, Nintendo hasn't delivered with their legacy IPs., hardware construction, or online infrastructure. You can chalk it up as, "That crazy old Jeff." but its hardly an unheard of sentiment.
You might also notice that he's been pretty high on Bayonetta 2 and Splatoon, so it's not even a black & white issue in spite of him being more skeptical of Nintendo than not.
Same day we also had the whole recommendation on WiiU subject segment that was very bizarre as well... he may have pushed the "best exclusives" but it felt incredibly begrudgingly and only because Sony may as well have lit itself on fire this year and Microsoft didn't have the # of quality titles.
He's got a definite fatigue and, seeming, bias against the Nintendo staples but all the same seems incredibly not-that on other franchises that have an even more regular and samey production cycle. That is definitely spilling over into other discussions and titles unless the game is entirely NotNintendo Nintendo.
I know he said it, lol. Its more the overall.
I think the problem there was the way they were dismissed. Smash came down to a tautology, and Mario Kart was nonsensical "it becomes unplayable in four player" with the title getting marked down for working at a locked 30FPS (an industry standard) because it works at 60FPS otherwise.
I don't think anyone (not crazy) has any actual dislike for people who don't like the titles. Its more a matter of being honest with the fact not coming up with closed logic loops (also was there really a need to insult people who like competitive Smash?) or otherwise.
Vire
Member
Smash is a game that has literally changed nothing in mechanics over the course of a decade. That's primarily my criticism of it, I'm bored of it. It's the same game every four years with slight increments to the graphics and tweaks to physics. It's kind of sad that the Call of Duty series has advanced more than Smash Brothers.
Another reason why I think the Bomb crew doesn't like Smash is that it's an extremely methodical fighter that is incredibly basic in its move set. The combination of these things makes it feel "boring" to Brad.
Even if Nintendo had their best year ever, it's absolutely fine to not be really big on that stuff.
Liking Nintendo's output is not mandatory. That said, Nintendo have - and I'm sure with todays podcast, will continue to - get its fare amount of dues for their output this year on these podcasts. I feel like Jeff has been plenty positive on Nintendo where he's felt he wanted to be, and that's totally fine. There's absolutely no harm in not pushing for Smash Bros in a world where Nidhogg exists.
Same. "Oh that one!!!!!!" feels like an understatement.
XANDER CAGE
Member
If Smash Bros. had as many games as Call of Duty I might see your point, but as it stands there are only four major iterations of Smash and they all have different rosters, stages, physics, and feature sets, which is about all Call of Duty changes year to year as well. I'm not sure what else you could ask for from a fighting franchise.
Also, calling Smash's movesets "incredibly basic" is a bit... completely wrong? It has a simpler control setup than traditional fighting games but that's about it.
Its seven years between Smash titles except the original to Melee. CoD launches every year, of course it'd need constant changes to the gameplay.
Their E3 roundtable discussions are really fun to watch.
Jeff's "they're crazy people" at people who like competitive Smash is of course not meant as a serious insult. I've not played Mario Kart with 4 players, but that was Alex and to a lesser degree Dan: Alex just didn't like how it felt with 4 players. And he likes the game. That wasn't them trying to find a reason to push the game off the list, it was mostly Alex not liking how that felt. Jeff and Brad didn't weigh in on that.
I mean, I'm guessing there's more nuance to your opinion here, but it seems like you're basically saying that Jeff only argued Nintendo had the best library this year because it clearly had the best library this year.
Nor do I think Jeff gives other annualized or frequently produced franchises any sort of pass. He is very hard on Assassin's Creed. He is very hard on Halo. He is very hard on Call of Duty most years (yep; he liked this years, but go back and hear what he said about Ghosts last year). He is very hard on Forza.
That he finds Smash unappealing when it serves up the same thing core aspects he's found unappealing several iterations in a row is not shocking or hypocritical to me honestly.
ThreePiMatt
Member
I'm behind, only on the Day 2 podcast. Jeff's Destiny rant is legendary. God-tier ranting.
It's hard to tell what is meant seriously and what isn't, that whole thing just was a clusterfuck of Smash for Jeff with the whole: its too chaotic, the game is only fun when its chaotic. The added jab, even if in jest, just didn't really feel right when the whole segment was a mess.
MK8 drops to 30FPS which is likely what Alex means when he says he doesn't like how it feels but to call it an unplayable mess was complete hyperbole. In that part I felt like Dan had no idea what Alex was even saying. But yes, you're right that it didn't have Jeff or Brad doing much chiming in.
Of course they got the award for winning the award. To have it feel like a begrudgingly (that part comes in more when they get to the "would you recommend a WiiU" part) handed out award doesn't take away from there simply being no competition.
Like I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with not liking Smash or finding it unappealing in how it plays. Its the way the segment went about with how he criticized it via a tautology and fought fairly hard against it to the point where Dan had to actually call him out on it. There was definitely something very off with that part for him (Jeff) when it came to Smash. There's nothing wrong with him being critical and not liking the title, he just needs to articulate that and not do what he did that got a lot of people to reply in this thread with big ?wtf? posts.
Vire
Member
How is the moveset not incredibly basic? Every character uses the exact same control scheme and there is little to no variation between them? I don't think that's an insane criticism, that's just the way it is.
As for the iterations between games, I don't see why Smash Brothers should get a free pass because it has four years in between each game. If anything, I'd expect a lot more differences in between each title with that much time being spent on it. (See the Halo franchise). The additional new features added for the Wii U version are unexciting aside from the awesome addition of 8 player multiplayer, that being said (the board game nonsense and the removal of the Subspace Emissary) were pretty big disappointments.
Now I realize Smash purists don't want to hear that since they want the game to remain mostly the same. But this is coming from people who are tired of the formula or didn't like the formula to begin with in Brad's case.