Are you implying that the vastly technologically superior PS4 can put out better visuals than the Wii U? Gee, what a bold statement! I thought this was just supposed to be a thread about many Wii U games looking darn good for what's under the hood. Why are PS4 games getting compared to them?
The Wii U and its ability to produce amazing visuals.
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Are you implying that the vastly technologically superior PS4 can put out better visuals than the Wii U? Gee, what a bold statement! I thought this was just supposed to be a thread about many Wii U games looking darn good for what's under the hood. Why are PS4 games getting compared to them?
Interceptor
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What I learned in this thread: colors will make a game run smooth, they also make polygons easier to render.
Nintendo is not allowed to be good at tech, it makes poeple angry.
Nintendo is not allowed to be good at tech, it makes poeple angry.
ChronotriggerJM
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Well I don't want to get into a conversation about politics in gaming lol. But games like the Last of Us PS3, or Halo 4 on the 360 or GTA 5 might not hold up in 10 years, but they were raising the watermark for their time,
In 10 years, Flower, Super Stardust HD, Wipeout, Journey, Ratchet and Clank ACIT, etc etc will still be gorgeous.
Arondight
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Having a game less than 1080p 60 FPS does not takeway it's visual excellence so long as it's consistent with performance. People don't go back and look at SOC or OOT and say they don't have amazing visuals because of these issues when at the time, they were breathtaking visual experiences.
Less realistic, more simple geometrical and colourful games generally for games look much better overall. This isn't just relegated to Nintendo.
Tearaway and KZ:M is a perfect example of this. Released on the same platform around the same time. Both are completely in the opposite ends of the spectrum. KZ:M has far more things going on in it but the colourful, cartoonish look of Tearaway makes it look far more visually pleasing and cleaner and where I'm less likely to notice visual faults in the game than KZ.
Same reason why WW and SS look better than TP.
Lack of good AA (especially in MK8), textures, shadows are pretty apparent in some of Nintendo games and in the screenshots in OP.
It's for this reason why I'm looking forward to see how the realistic type games stand in time. Huge amounts of games only a year or two ago to me have already aged quite a bit.
No, I'm saying IQ is more important than 60 fps and compared it to Smash.
You don't have to get your panties in a twist, don't worry.
It's not really powerful enough when MK8 is 720p with zero AA and Pikmin 3 is 30fps. It's "good enough" but could have easily been a lot better. If they had made the hardware powerful enough to run their games at 1080p with the same visuals they really would have blew everyone away.
Ulysses 31
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Yeah, so underwhelming...
Any impressive DC footage without bad/rainy weather? =P
CrunchyFrog
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It's called artistic cohesion and working within the limits of your hardware. Plus, it's much easier to make a visually appealing game when you're not shooting for photo-realism and trying to traverse the uncanny valley.
EatinOlives
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This. It's the art style more than anything. And yes, funnily enough all the people ragging on about how useless HD was and anyone who wanted it was a graphics whore are mysteriously nowhere to be found.
Ulysses 31
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Very hard to gauge the texture quality in those YT vids though, they seem to have above average blockyness than most other 720p videos I've seen so far.
Katzenjammer
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The thread title should replace "Wii U" with Nintendo" (not that there is huge a difference). Nintendo has always had excellent output in the graphics department and worked wonders with the hardware their games have run on.
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qizah
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Dull certainly isn't a word I'd use to describe the visuals of those those two games. Actually, it's not a word I'd use to describe the visuals of any Nintendo games.
I'm playing Shadow of Mordor right now. While that game is a ton of fun, that game is far more dull visually than MK8 or SM3DW. It's actually my only flaw against the entire game, everything is brownish, greyish, and lacks variety in environments. I can't say the same thing about the MK8 or SM3DW.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii U successor wasn't much more powerful than the Wii U itself. Nintendo creates it's systems based on games it wants to develop. So with the fact that Nintendo can achieve the art style it always wants to use with Wii U power, there is no real need to invest in graphical capabilities.
Lionel Richie
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Oh boy, this thread got a sad turn. Why can't we appreciate something without turning it into a pissing contest? Why not save the DriveClub gifs for a thread about amazing visuals on the PS4 or about games that launched completely broken?
The Hermit
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I think what needs to be said is that Nintendo respects the limit of its console and creates great games minding those limits, hence the camera in 3D World being most of the times fixed,and no AA in Mario Kart. But they do in such a smart way and polish everything else so much that you end having a blast with that illusion.
You often see other developers treating the ps4 or xbox1 like another PC and the result, while technically more intensive graphically, ends underwhelming most of the players, with frame rate issues or inconsistent texture work
You often see other developers treating the ps4 or xbox1 like another PC and the result, while technically more intensive graphically, ends underwhelming most of the players, with frame rate issues or inconsistent texture work
StrongBlackVine
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Gaf isn't most players and even if it were this is still false.
Nintendo creates it's systems based on what will allow them to sell hardware with a profit. They don't like taking a loss on hardware sales and that's likely the main driving factor behind their choosing low power hardware.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Wtf this thread has become a Driveclub vs Mario Kart 8 graphic war?
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Pops Maellard
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I don't think I've been in a thread today that didn't have a post gushing about Drive Club. Yes, Evolution is very good at rendering wet cars. So are a lot of other developers.
EdwardTeach
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Sad how this has descended into a comparison thread, when that was clearly not intended in the op.
Ulysses 31
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M1ch04c4n0
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Great visuals in the WiiU (or any Nintendo platform) = "Is the art style"
Great visuals in other machines = "Is the machine"
GAF gonna GAF :/
Great visuals in other machines = "Is the machine"
GAF gonna GAF :/
Relentless 757
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Nintendo's ability to push their own hardware and utilize fantastic art-styles is why many of their games hold their own. Super Mario Sunshine looks good to this day, for example.
However, its not even close to comparable to what the Xbox One and PS4 are capable of, simply because the Wii U is vastly inferior in graphical capabilities. Playing Infamous SS for the first time had my jaw-dropping.
Of course, this does not stop me from enjoying the games and their visuals. SSB4 looks fantastic on the Wii U for instance, and its a great game. I just hope Nintendo catches up next-gen. This tactic of being a gen-behind in terms of specs is starting to lose me. It is also hurting their relevance in the video game market as a hole.
Just imagining what Nintendo could create visually with a powerful console makes me excited for the potential. Nintendo has proven time and time again that they are capable of making the best, I just wish they would harness such talents.
However, its not even close to comparable to what the Xbox One and PS4 are capable of, simply because the Wii U is vastly inferior in graphical capabilities. Playing Infamous SS for the first time had my jaw-dropping.
Of course, this does not stop me from enjoying the games and their visuals. SSB4 looks fantastic on the Wii U for instance, and its a great game. I just hope Nintendo catches up next-gen. This tactic of being a gen-behind in terms of specs is starting to lose me. It is also hurting their relevance in the video game market as a hole.
Just imagining what Nintendo could create visually with a powerful console makes me excited for the potential. Nintendo has proven time and time again that they are capable of making the best, I just wish they would harness such talents.
Because this is what always happens in a Nintendo thread. Can't let those Nintendo fanboys get to cocky, ya know?
SenjutsuSage
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Having the most powerful possible hardware was never a requirement for making stunning games with fantastic visuals, something which people obviously seem to forget time and time again.
King Cobra
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Its nice if you aren't tired of bloom set to the max artwork. Is the art direction bright and colorful? Yes, is it graphically boundary pushing and impressive? Not by a long shot. GTA V is more graphically impressive than what Nintendo is producing.
If you haven't played Captain Toad, some of the most beautiful GFX I've seen all year.
ArtHands
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I think a correction would be "Nintendo and their amazing ability to put out great graphics even on underpowered platforms"
Any third party game on Wii U is kinda eh, especially when they don't even run as well as on PS3 or XB360 but nonetheless.
Also, this was on PS3 and 360:
I like Nintendo but there's no need to sugarcoat it. It's not as if we haven't seen anything like it before, but it is wonderful how Nintendo games are good at putting a smile on your face because they are so cheerful and colorful.
tbh i think this screenshot isn't impressive at all, and you are really proving this thread to be right.
The Journey screenshot is too bright and is burning out the details of everything a little. I did a slight photoshop here to illustrate my point. Check out the sun and the sun's reflection on the water to see how much details has been lost.
You could actually think about why it's being said instead of jumping to conclusions about hypocrisy or whatever. If Nintendo were to try to make a photorealistic game akin to Uncharted, the hardware would hold them back severely. They understand that, which is why they use an art style more suited for the hardware available to them. It's the much smarter move.
Wha? Nothing bizarre about their hardware at all. Very straightforward compared to the others actually.
nintendork666
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Wii U doesn't have this perfection :
What exactly am I looking at here? New Tales game? PS4?
KratosEnergyDrink
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Many Wii U games are graphically impressive but not technically impressive within the meaning of running on high end hardware. Nonetheless the Nintendo wizards seems to easily push the Wii U hardware far beyond the point many expected after hardware details had been revealed. With PS4/XOne its the other way round, many expected better graphics from these consoles and 1080p/60FPS expected as minimum graphical fidelity. But its obvious now the developers could not deliver this.
It's the other way around really. They're using the lowest hardware available that can still produce the graphics suited to their art style.
nephilimdj
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Yes but its the same cycle as last gen, in 1-2 years we will be back to this: http://kotaku.com/5672980/the-wii-game-that-was-briefly-mistaken-for-an-xbox-360-game
Read the Nintendo fan comments, those threads will be on neogaf in 2 years
Nintendo are doing a amazing job, but its a bit silly to say they wont end up being left behind
Well yeah, when you use this approach there's really no future proofing whatsoever.
Captain Europe
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I think a correction would be "Nintendo and their amazing ability to put out great graphics even on underpowered platforms"
Any third party game on Wii U is kinda eh, especially when they don't even run as well as on PS3 or XB360 but nonetheless.
Also, this was on PS3 and 360:
I like Nintendo but there's no need to sugarcoat it. It's not as if we haven't seen anything like it before, but it is wonderful how Nintendo games are good at putting a smile on your face because they are so cheerful and colorful.
Games like Sonic Unleashed, Sega All-Stars Racing and Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts all looked fantastic, but they're 30fps games(with dips) and sometimes even sub-HD. Not the case at all with Nintendo's Wii U games, that's what makes them impressive to me.
Considering the hardware (which is only impressive from an efficiency standpoint), I've been really impressed with the system so far. Going back to PS4 and PC games sort of puts things in perspective though. It would be nice if Nintendo had hardware more similar to the PS4 to work with, because what they can do with the relatively weak hardware they have now is pretty amazing. Games like Mario Kart would really benefit from having better IQ, and Nintendo probably wouldn't have the third party issues they're having now.
Eh, not really. Mario Galaxy and even Wind Waker still look good. Hell, Wind Waker is even listed in the OP, and all that got on Wii U was a new lighting setup and a res boost - with a lot of people saying the lighting looked better on GameCube regardless.
They had hardware that could produce graphics suited to their style over a decade ago now haha, they're just tuning it to take advantage of the new tech every time a new generation rolls around.
Infernal Monkey
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Guilty Gear Xrd (PS4, PS3).
A Ubisoft Cloth Physics test from GDC implies otherwise. All I said was CELL outperformed PS4's CPU in certain respects and that certifiably true. PS3 and 360 had insanely overengineered CPUs for their time. It's why those systems broke the bank in terms of pricepoints and upfront losses, but modern GPUs have basically taken gaming hardware in an entirely different direction now architecturally. All the consoles and even handhelds now have relatively weak CPUs paired with more capable GPUs.