RespectThySole
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Yeah that's better.
Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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Yeah that's better.
meanspartan
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I don't WANT them to fail (though I'm glad they received a sales punishment for trying to push anti-consumer bullshit and Kinect).
But the 360 even wasn't that successful in regards to profit, especially since they needed it to make back the OG Xbox's huge losses.
Crimson_Gold
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The flux capacitor gave out. We have to wait for the inevitable Hollywood remake to get the rest
Iacobellis
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360 was successful due to Sony's weaknesses. Year late launch, complex hardware, high price, underdeveloped online ecosystem, lack of third party partnerships, and so on.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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How am I only finding out about this?
Yoo, that's crazy. With things lining up as they are I'll be adding to that sometime this year.
EDIT: Could someone use this to do the the impossible task of figuring out how much they sold in Dec in NA? There has to be some way...
....and then secretly tell me, and only me, the answer so I can look all badass in a NPD prediction thread for once?
Yoo, that's crazy. With things lining up as they are I'll be adding to that sometime this year.
EDIT: Could someone use this to do the the impossible task of figuring out how much they sold in Dec in NA? There has to be some way...
....and then secretly tell me, and only me, the answer so I can look all badass in a NPD prediction thread for once?
RespectThySole
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Yeah very unlikely figure there.
SwiftDeath
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Eh generally I don't think you try to mix numbers like that in one PR statement. Sony has so far only tried to mention sold-through numbers in their official PR statements to press and what not aside from that layden remark in an interview when MS won November or whatever.
I strongly suspect Sony will have shipped 20M PS4 this holiday season but I guess we'll find out soonish. When is their next quarterly anyways?
Absolutely. The numbers are the numbers. I do not dispute that. I'm only stating that the value of establishing an audience through a branded portal is likely attractive to some shareholders whom think that in say 10 years - those whom have the network infrastructure and established subscribers will be best positioned to make the real money.
I don't see MS leaving behind LIVE any time soon and hence XBOX as a brand remains...perhaps without traditional console.
In other words - the pain of selling hardware continues.
Puppet Shadow
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Poimandres
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You have to remember Microsoft got into "the game" because they wanted to take over your living room/not let Sony take over the living room. But, things have changed a lot since the OG Xbox days.
These days no one really expects a video game console to be THE living room entertainment device. Not with the rise of tablets, streaming solutions like Chromecast etc. Video games were only a means to an end with Microsoft, never the ultimate goal.
Maybe their direction/expectations have changed though, I don't know!
Yes they are full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Seems a bit silly to word it like that, takes all the credit from Xbox. It was Microsoft who realized the importance of online and correctly invested in it. They also realized the importance of an easy to develop for platform, third party relations, the XBLA program, the Kinect which became the de-facto "Wii 2", etc.
Chobel
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Feb 5th, 2015.
Prevolition
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This is what a healthy console looks like.
Wasn't that the goal of the pre-180 Xbox One, to cash in on the goodwill they made with the Xbox and the 360? I don't think they're going down that path again any time soon. And shareholders aren't exactly known for their patience.
Dragonborn
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Why would it look silly when it has a good chance of being true?
3rdamention
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Nobody really knows for sure if the PS4 was being sold at a loss, or profit, at launch. It was never confirmed. All we did know was that the PS4 was designed to turn a profit very quickly after launch, unlike the PS3.
You had TechInsights estimating the PS4 to cost about $332 to make as of November 2013.including testing and assembly, that wouldn't include packaging and shipping.
But Eurogamer estimated in September of 2013 that the PS4 was being sold at a $60 loss at launch, but would make a profit, as you stated, if a user bought a game (or 2) and/or a PS Plus Subscription.
AllThingsSD estimated in November of 2013 the PS4 was being manufactured at $381 and the Xbox One at $471 (with Kinect).
Kaz said the Ps4 console was "contributing" a profit in May of 2014. This would be, of course, as production costs started going down for certain hardware parts 6 months after launch.
Nobody is going to know for sure whether the system is being sold at a loss, turning a profit, or very close to either. We do know that, most likely based on console history, production costs have and/or will go down. Sony has just never confirmed themselves if the unit is being sold at a loss or a profit, neither has Microsoft.
In previous years what sales numbers did the ps3 average in December for Europe?
Sony announced 14.4 million nov.15. They sold about 800k in November minus whatever they sold up to the 15th.
So lets say:
550k nov
1million dec
250k Japan
That leaves Europe to account for a majority of 2.3 million units. There were no must haves this season and I'm not sure what deals Sony had in that region but that seems high especially for 6 weeks of sales. That why I'm curious about European numbers.
Sony announced 14.4 million nov.15. They sold about 800k in November minus whatever they sold up to the 15th.
So lets say:
550k nov
1million dec
250k Japan
That leaves Europe to account for a majority of 2.3 million units. There were no must haves this season and I'm not sure what deals Sony had in that region but that seems high especially for 6 weeks of sales. That why I'm curious about European numbers.
I was pointing out that the Wii U has great games and hasn't sold.
Now that the XB1 has been repositioned as an actual games console and the message about how consumer react to stupid anti-consumer and anti-gaming policies have been made clear, we can appreciate the growth of the industry.
But looking back over the last 12 months - especially the early parts of it - and the differing sales of the PS4 and XB1, it's fine to celebrate that consumers have spoken in such clear terms in outright rejecting the anti-consumer, Kinect driven, industry fucking, DRM and always-online plans that MS had for the games industry.
Chobel
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It's not just Europe, it's Europe+Asia+Australia+Canada+...
WiiU is missing some key staples in the 3rd party space. It's not a very balanced catalogue at all. I love the WiiU - but you can see why it's hole. For better or worse those missing games matter.
Interceptor
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Whatever this has to do with Nintendo.. the "note" Nintendo could take from this is to increase its marketing budget tenfold. Seems to be enough.
RespectThySole
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I don't think it has a good chance of being true at all tbh, but I already know your stance on the matter. You also claim GoW4 will outsell Halo 5 as well. We'll see how that goes.
I mean the $249 edition of Halo 5 has been in the top 100 since it's announcement on Amazon nearly a year before it's release and we don't even know what's included in it yet. That alone should tell you how well it's going to do.
Thats why I said most of the 2.3 million.
You would be surprised how little those other places count towards the overall number. It's a drop in the bucket.
Unless Europe had playstation fever these numbers would make more sense as sold to retailer.
Dragonborn
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Admittedly, GOW may have a tougher time since it's not as strongoutside the US but UC4 and GT have a pretty good shot. The install base by the time UC4 releases will probably be well over 30 million (while the X1 will be barely be at 15-16). ND's brand and reputation have only gotten bigger, meanwhile Halo has gone the opposite way. First with Halo 4 which sold very well but whose community quickly abandoned it and now the MCC which is still broken as all hell.
Add to that the possibility of the PS4 being $299 by the end of next year and yea, I can definitely see it.
That doesn't mean that they're going to continue to pour most of their money into a division that's been a big money sink for them forever.
Pootie TangThose numbers.. Holy shit.
LOL!
Where is this gif from?
That's why when Sony finally decides to drop their price, the strategy becomes even more impressive. They have so much more room to grow where their competitors will be backing against a wall in their bag of tricks. Sony's first year AAA lineup fuckups aside, they have played impressive chess.
3rdamention
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Dragonborn
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Exactly, people keep saying that MS has a lot of money. Well yes, they do, but the Xbox division doesn't. I'd wager they have some sort of budget they have to adhere to with maybe some leeway here and there, but I don't think MS is in the business just to keep throwing money away
Has the MCC fiasco dented demand in any way?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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That's nice, but I wonder if the PS4 having such a huge collection of indie games is padding up this number?
18.5 million is a huge win though. When Bloodborne comes out I'm thinking we'll see a big bump.
Pretty sure the estimates for France and Germany alone were 1 million combined this holiday.
AgentP
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Those are retail games.
The Artisan
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yes, I was talking about the gap closing in November and December of 2014. The Ps4 won't just drop dead and stop selling in America obviously, but it has lost some of its momentum, and xbone has gained some.
Yes the rest of the world is larger but console game is most robust in the UK and the U.S, yeah? and that's where the xbone is gaining momentum now.
yes, the console that was outsold by the xbone in November and probably December.
Well yeah, I did not think the price would go back up to $400. It's possible their sales might tank now.
I think it is still a little early to say that.
I don't think it's going to be that bad I'm just saying the Ps4 has lost some of its momentum since black friday. Sales might be much more even and even back and forth from now on.
what do you mean? that sony's also working to improve sdk for developers?
Wow. I didn't think everyone on neogaf was so convinced already that the Ps4 has won the 8th gen.
Right, but the xbone has finally outsold it... sales might not be the same from here on out.
what is the point of even trying then if multiplats and exclusive games are just gonna look much better on the Ps4 anyway? and the consumers know?Funny, specifically the bolded part.
Nothing Microsoft does via software can make Xbone more powerful. It will alway have the same amount of power, they can only try to use it more effectively. It will always have the same low bandwidth memory and weak GPU.
I don't even own an xbone. I've never had an xbox. I've always played PlayStation ever since I was a little kid, with the Ps1.
Next year is also the year of Halo 5. and rotr. and quantum break, scalebound, crackdown, and phantum dust.
2015 will be very competitive for console games. sony isn't the only one with exclusives coming out all throughout this year.
Okay, maybe my numbers were off. I don't remember what the exact percentages were but I thought it was a decent amount
look, I'm just trying to think that maybe it is not completely hopeless for the xbone.
what do you want me to say, that the xbone is doomed?
is it just wrong to be hopeful for the xbone at this point?
gee, thanks.
up until november of last year, when the xbone sold 1.2 million units and the Ps4 sold 800k.
no.
that's the real question here.
I don't know. What you're talking about.
Jesus, that means the Ps4 has almost double the sales the xbone has.