I don't know why you're trying so hard to deny these are sell through numbers.
Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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I don't know why you're trying so hard to deny these are sell through numbers.
Aren't they? Yes, the craze went to tablets. Now that everyone has one, they might start looking for a new gadget. I know some of my in-laws that were heavy on the Apple bandwagon were talking about a console the other day. Something more wholesome and that they can play with together.
Also, the most important thing about Anihawks post is not that Wii was doing better, but this no longer is a record breaking generation.
Phoenician_Viking
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Amazing numbers. The PS4 is selling great amount for $400. The Wii was $250 and the PS4 sold very close to what the Wii sold in the first year. Very impressive.
Even if they were sold to stores as long as the channel isn't stuffed they're just as accurate anyway. I don't see any evidence the channel is stuffed.
Ps Plus subs:
May 23rd Approximately half of PS4 owners are PS Plus subscribers
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-23-half-of-ps4-owners-are-ps-plus-subscribers
October 31st 7.9 million
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-31-playstation-plus-reaches-7-9-million-members
January 2nd 10.9 million
http://www.destructoid.com/ps4-sales-at-18-5m-worldwide-ps-subscribers-near-11m-285778.phtml
Best I can do.
May 23rd Approximately half of PS4 owners are PS Plus subscribers
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-23-half-of-ps4-owners-are-ps-plus-subscribers
October 31st 7.9 million
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-31-playstation-plus-reaches-7-9-million-members
January 2nd 10.9 million
http://www.destructoid.com/ps4-sales-at-18-5m-worldwide-ps-subscribers-near-11m-285778.phtml
Best I can do.
jadedm17
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Hell yea, let's do this; I feel like buying another PS4 to help.
xbox 360 convert still bitter about everything from reveal to price to no battery in the controller, yes
SwiftDeath
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The official Sony Corporate English PR for this announcement is here
And clearly states it is sold through which can only be taken as to consumers
It is of course estimated and is stated to be as such but it likely has to be as I doubt Sony gets POS data for every region, just like any other manufacturer of any other good trying to determine sell-through to consumer when not sold directly
I'm okay with this.
Why are people thinking Xbox One is at 10.5 or 11 million? They're last PR statement said " approaching 10 million" shipped. This was on November 10th last year. US and UK represent over 65% of Xbox Ones install base. The rest of the world is only accounting for 35% best case scenario. But people still are now comparing PS4 sold through to XB1 shipped? Last time I checked approaching doesn't mean you have crossed the finish line, let alone pass it.
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It's difficult to predict a number when MS hasn't exactly been more forthcoming with their numbers. Soon is such a relative word.
Also, I think many people in this thread underestimate the Asian markets. These markets are growing and will probably contribute more to the numbers as the generation goes on.
Interesting how you give one of these companies the benefit of the doubt, but the other one might be lying about a very specific number of sold through consoles.
bananafactory
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Yeah without knowing what "approaching" means to them it's impossible to say. That could be 9 million, and even if though they sold through around 2 million in Nov/Dec, they didn't ship another 2 million. So we really have no clue what they are at.
Uno Venova
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to catch up? of course not
Devilgunman
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My gut saying Xbone hasn't broken 10M sold through yet. If they did, wouldn't MS come out and announce it already? 10M console sold is such a solid achievement that MS wouldn't just sit on it.
If the Wii is the criteria, no console will ever see record sales again. So there's no point in ever bringing it up again.
But I'm more annoyed when people point to last gen console sales when trying to frame a narrative that console gaming is dying now during this gen. It is not. That Wii demographic was an anomaly and permanently skews the numbers of what people expect and it's just not going to happen. But that doesn't mean console gaming is dying.
Its more of "no one wants the Wii U and slightly more want the Xbox one".
They decided to go with the big news on avatar improvements instead.
jadedm17
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I'd love to know Microsoft's number : Shipped or sold. (Preferably the latter.)
Saying your approaching 10 million and then saying sold 10 million 2 months later is kinda weird PR.
CadetMahoney
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What are the chances bone winning Jan NPD?
Nintendo made more money selling Gamecubes at the total number they sold than Sony made off 80 million PS3 sales. Low total sales does not automatically equal "spectacular failure".
They raised the price again. Zero chance.
People already saw it being sold for $350. It will not sell at $400.
ArkkAngel007
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Not good in the slightest but not impossible depending on what momentum that can be had in a terrible sales month. Momentum that the PS4 has as well.
399 chances
anexanhume
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I wasn't commenting on their entertainment merit. I was providing evidence to show a stronger consumer base and potential for stable revenue going forward.
Vroadstar
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It's not as solid of an achievement if you're not first to get there.
theprodigy
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that has 99% to do with PS3's early years being a complete clusterfuck and 1% anything else, because believe it or not Nintendo has a handheld division too (I know, it's so weird that it gets ignored whenever the topic of profitability comes up!)
heh. Especially funny considering how every time an MS PR comes out, we on GAF have to sit there deciphering the 90 different ways they've used the wording to intentionally deceive. It's a daily routine now. It happened in their "almost 10 million shipped" PR too.
Are you saying the GameCube wasn't profitable?
I wasn't discussing profitability of Nintendo. I was saying the GameCube specifically was profitable. I haven't seen anything to counter that.
RedAssedApe
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they didn't exactly announce bf sales or nov. npds right awat either iirc. not really a given when they would announce something
Infinite Xero
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If this is sold through then that's a good number. If its shipped that's disappointing.
ArkkAngel007
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Final Verdict
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Microsoft has already put out an ad for a HW engineer to work on the next Xbox.
Thanks!!
Those are some really impressive numbers....I think I was predicting around 15M back at E3...
They would probably announce it around NPD time, but i don't know if they even would announce it at all given that the PS4 is so far ahead.
biglittleps
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May be they will on Windows 10 event.
RedAssedApe
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why do people keep doubting the press release. they already said its sold through...
travisbickle
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If we believe they've hit 2.5 million over Nov/Dec (selling 1.3 million in Dec). That would put MS at 5.3 million according to my spreadsheet (copy/paste from NPD thread)
So ROW at 5 million XB1s, how plausible is that?
this is a myth. Nintendo might have made money on the Gamecube, but really the main evidence (unless I'm missing something, which is possible) for this is that Nintendo was profitable during the GCN years. but, of course, they were raking in that GBA money with their monopoly on the handheld market. we really don't know that the GCN made money; it's certainly telling that it was Nintendo's first quarter with a loss (even with that GBA money) was when Gamecube dropped to $99 iirc. and it's not like that gave Nintendo any momentum whatsoever or kept it from being a software graveyard.
happy to be corrected though, like I said... it's been years since I followed NPD/profits/etc stuff closely.
and, yeah, the PS3's early years were an unmitigated disaster. xbox-esque.
I was ready to believe that the actual sold-through sales were around 14 million until I read the first page. Really damn impressive they have over 18 million in consumers hands. That would mean they have shipped at least over 20 million. Things are looking good and with a far better 2015 line up and MS unfortunately raising the price the PS4 is going to make a killing this year.
dying is a strong word, but it is severely contracting. and it's doing so to a rather large detriment if companies don't take steps now to stop it from happening. sony seems to care in their attempts to foster a base with kids, funding games like knack, lbp3, tearaway unfolded, and the new ratchet reboot/movie. microsoft at least tried to reach a larger userbase by severely discounting their latest console. whether they're bringing in existing last gen people or reaching out to new ones too, it's yet to be seen.
calling the wii an anomaly is another strong word. it discounts what happened and what is happening with the wave of a hand, similar to calling the shrinking console market a dying one. the wii wasn't one userbase, but several, and those are all being eaten up by the same market. whether it's in japan, families, or among people who casually enjoy games, mobile is a massive force that's only growing. traditionally, a new generation starts and it brings in people who were traditionally not gamers before. that's how the gaming market has always grown (otherwise how do you get new customers?). this is the first generation that the box/retail market is shrinking, and on several fronts. it's something to be considerate about, for sure.
Where does it specifically say that? The OP has changed from when it was posted. I see some poorly google translated press release and I never learned to read Japanese, so, I'm not seeing specifics saying "sold through" in what was posted.
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