Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW

dying is a strong word, but it is severely contracting. and it's doing so to a rather large detriment if companies don't take steps now to stop it from happening. sony seems to care in their attempts to foster a base with kids, funding games like knack, lbp3, tearaway unfolded, and the new ratchet reboot/movie. microsoft at least tried to reach a larger userbase by severely discounting their latest console. whether they're bringing in existing last gen people or reaching out to new ones too, it's yet to be seen.

calling the wii an anomaly is another strong word. it discounts what happened and what is happening with the wave of a hand, similar to calling the shrinking console market a dying one. the wii wasn't one userbase, but several, and those are all being eaten up by the same market. whether it's in japan, families, or among people who casually enjoy games, mobile is a massive force that's only growing. traditionally, a new generation starts and it brings in people who were traditionally not gamers before. that's how the gaming market has always grown (otherwise how do you get new customers?). this is the first generation that the box/retail market is shrinking, and on several fronts. it's something to be considerate about, for sure.

The only one suffering from this "contraction" is Nintendo since they were the beneficiaries of that conjured up demographic and are now suffering from the fruits of that market disappearing. Microsoft is suffering from their own mistakes and they're doing a good job at climbing back out of it. Sony is seeing some of the strongest sales they've ever seen.

So yeah, again if the Wii is the criteria, this generation will ALWAYS be considered a "severe contraction". And Nintendo is the company feeling it most.
 
Where does it specifically say that? The OP has changed from when it was posted. I see some poorly google translated press release and I never learned to read Japanese, so, I'm not seeing specifics saying "sold through" in what was posted.

Says sold-through in the English PR which was released by now. Someone posted it here on the last couple of pages or so.
 
Where does it specifically say that? The OP has changed from when it was posted. I see some poorly google translated press release and I never learned to read Japanese, so, I'm not seeing specifics saying "sold through" in what was posted.

A few posts above :P

The official Sony Corporate English PR for this announcement is here

And clearly states it is sold through which can only be taken as to consumers



It is of course estimated and is stated to be as such but it likely has to be as I doubt Sony gets POS data for every region, just like any other manufacturer of any other good trying to determine sell-through to consumer when not sold directly
 
Where does it specifically say that? The OP has changed from when it was posted. I see some poorly google translated press release and I never learned to read Japanese, so, I'm not seeing specifics saying "sold through" in what was posted.

Kaz said it during CES
 
You take Japan out of this and the situation is quite different. Wii had sold close to 5 million in Japan (As per Wiki). The market is very different right now and the lack of PS4 exclusives focused on Japan aren't helping it as well.

True but lets not make excuses. Plus dragon quest heroes should fix that.
 
so there's no hope for the xbone. that's basically what you're saying. what everyone's saying.

There is hope for xbone to come in a respectable second if they dominate US and UK like they did last gen but there is no hope for them to end up in first place. This console generation is
1. Sony
2. MS
3. Nintendo

Nothing will change this order world wide irrespective of whether Xbox one outsells PS4 in US and UK for the next 6 years or not.
 
My gut saying Xbone hasn't broken 10M sold through yet. If they did, wouldn't MS come out and announce it already? 10M console sold is such a solid achievement that MS wouldn't just sit on it.

If I came out and made a big deal out of selling 10M then my competitor comes out with 20M, I would call GG.
 
The only one suffering from this "contraction" is Nintendo since they were the beneficiaries of that conjured up demographic and are not seeing the fruits of that market disappearing. Microsoft is suffering from their own mistakes and they're doing a good job at climbing back out of it. Sony is seeing some of the strongest sales they've ever seen.

So yeah, again if the Wii is the criteria, this generation will ALWAYS be considered a "severe contraction". And Nintendo is the company feeling it most.

it really is not. there's the entirety of japan, which last produced a generation under 40 million hardware units sold what, in the 1980s? sony couldn't get to 10 million consoles sold there in eight years with their second-place console, and it looks like the ps4 will have a hard time matching that as the best seller. there's handhelds, with both nintendo and sony suffering severely from a disappearing marketplace. microsoft apparently is losing big in europe and has lost quite a good deal of support from families who purchased the 360 late in its life.

these are multiple units, big ones, that are disappearing from the traditional industry. we're going to go from selling over 525 million units of hardware to likely something less than half that. it means there's less people to sell to. it means there's less genres available. that means fewer people the traditional industry appeals to. that's the danger in a shrinking marketplace.
 
If I came out and made a big deal out of selling 10M then my competitor comes out with 20M, I would call GG.

yep. if they win npds again their presser should just include holiday sales numbers and don't even mention cumulative stuff like ww shipped/sold through...just focus on where they are beating the competition.
 
Stealth "indie games aren't real games" post?

What does that mean? What, indie games are not games?

Please tell me why indies don't count. I'm gonna love hearing your explanation...

And what would be the point in differentiating AAA and mid-tier games from indie games in this instance? Do people really dislike indies that much?

Nah, I love indies. I'm only wondering that in the context of comparisons to the tie ratios of previous generations where the indie output was much smaller and perhaps not accounted for in those consoles' tie ratios.

Even if it does include indies, that's an impressive number.
 
There is hope for xbone to come in a respectable second if they dominate US and UK like they did last gen but there is no hope for them to end up in first place. This console generation is
1. Sony
2. MS
3. Nintendo

Nothing will change this order world wide irrespective of whether Xbox one outsells PS4 in US and UK for the next 6 years or not.

The conversataion will certainly change though and how developers treat the systems will also change allowing MS to nab more exclusive content. The things that effect gamers will change if MS starts outsellingg PS4 in the states and uk from now on.
 
If I came out and made a big deal out of selling 10M then my competitor comes out with 20M, I would call GG.

Yup, I wouldn't release numbers either so close to this announcement. Even if they were good, they'd look smaller than they need to.
MS can still look good if they manage to present a story showing how they've turned the ship around. It just takes a little more time to get to the time periods they want to compare, and of course the numbers need to be there to back that story up.
 
it's hard to justify the console-as-razor-blade model in the age of iOS and android, even harder to justify handhelds.

(good riddance, I say.)
 
The conversataion will certainly change though and how developers treat the systems will also change allowing MS to nab more exclusive content. The things that effect gamers will change if MS starts outsellingg PS4 in the states and uk from now on.

That may be true and which is why to come in at a respectable second MS needs to dominate US and UK like they did last gen. Selling even equally to the PS4 in these regions will not be enough considering the utter hopeless marketshare in the rest of the world.
 
There is hope for xbone to come in a respectable second if they dominate US and UK like they did last gen but there is no hope for them to end up in first place. This console generation is
1. Sony
2. MS
3. Nintendo

Nothing will change this order world wide irrespective of whether Xbox one outsells PS4 in US and UK for the next 6 years or not.

I really don't think Artisan thinks there is any other market that matters other than NA. At least that is the impressions I get from his posts in this thread.
 
Where does it specifically say that? The OP has changed from when it was posted. I see some poorly google translated press release and I never learned to read Japanese, so, I'm not seeing specifics saying "sold through" in what was posted.

Kaz also confirmed sold through at CES in English if reading something in Japanese just wont do as proof to you.
 
What are people supposed to take the numbers as? What is defined as reading 'too much'?

Sorry, just seems like an odd statement.



OHO

I get it and ashamed


Yeah, that had slipped my mind. Now I'm getting a flood of recall of articles like this, Resolutiongate, Sessler...

I need a drink.

It's a reference to an Ars Technica article about 'not reading too much' into the PS4 launch month's sales.
 
That may be true and which is why to come in at a respectable second MS needs to dominate US and UK like they did last gen. Selling even equally to the PS4 in these regions will not be enough considering the utter hopeless marketshare in the rest of the world.

Do you really think MS can get to 2:1 in the US & UK tho?
 
Slightly disappointed, I was honestly expecting a little bit more. At least 19M.

But a tie ratio of 4.4 and 11M of PS+ subscribers? That's really impressive.
Congrats Sony and Playstation!
 
Kaz also confirmed sold through at CES in English if reading something in Japanese just wont do as proof to you.

Nice try at using snark to label me as anti-Sony. All I own is a PS4 this gen. I was just mentioning that the OP had changed from clear evidence that it said "sold-through" into a more vague google translation of a Japanese article. The OP is where the clarity of meaning became lost for every non-Japanese reader. If that makes me an Xbox fanboy then I guess I'm an Xbox fanboy who's not going to buy one.
 
My gut saying Xbone hasn't broken 10M sold through yet. If they did, wouldn't MS come out and announce it already? 10M console sold is such a solid achievement that MS wouldn't just sit on it.

MS have been super humble lately. No more crazy spin PR from them.
November NPD PR, no more official increase power talk, even CPU core unlock was only leaks by sdk.
 
Guys, it's sold through. Also that Ars Technica article is still unbelievable. It was so weird seeing so many American/UK sites in denial about the PS4 doing so well during late 2013 through mid 2014. It was like they wanted the PS4 to fail, they were constantly downplaying the sales and power gap. Also stuff like this before the systems released. It seems to have calmed down for the most part, except for the most diehard sites.

I really don't think Artisan thinks

FTFY

MS have been super humble lately. No more crazy spin PR from them.
November NPD PR, no more official increase power talk, even CPU core unlock was only leaks by sdk.

I guess by MS standards "not going batshit overboard with damage control" means humble, but I wouldn't call that humble by any other standard. But you're, right, their PR has been less... aggressive, to say the least, over the past few months. I wonder what caused the shift?
 
Like I said earlier, most 3rd party publishers (especially outside of the US) care more about numbers worldwide, not just in the US.

Though Microsoft will probably start getting cocky again (& possibly do something dumb) should they outsell the PS4 heavily in the US & in the UK.

Not much left at the bottom of that barrel.
 
Crazy number even with no good console games, 1st or 3rd party.
I regret buying my PS4 early though since 2014 almost killed me on console gaming.
I have no clue how the hype manages to carry Sony through bad gaming droughts, and X1 price-cuts to reach that sale number.

Yep, Resogun, Driveclub, Dragon Age Inquisition and Infamous SS are turds...Yep, we've been duped. Thanks Neo for letting us know!
 
My gut saying Xbone hasn't broken 10M sold through yet. If they did, wouldn't MS come out and announce it already? 10M console sold is such a solid achievement that MS wouldn't just sit on it.



I was wondering about the same thing. Microsoft is way to secretive about their world-wide numbers. If they had numbers they were proud of, I am sure they will be shouting it loudly and proudly to the world.
 
Is this the most a system has sold at $399, or did Xbox 360 sell more before dropping price? Last generation was such a weird procession of kinda-sorta-nope with price drops that it is difficult to remember.

Very impressive either way. I figured it would hit the 18 month mark at full MSRP the way PS2 did. I wonder if we will see PS4 and Xbox One hit $299 at E3 or if they will go with half assed $349 prices.
 
The conversation will certainly change though and how developers treat the systems will also change allowing MS to nab more exclusive content. The things that effect gamers will change if MS starts outselling PS4 in the states and uk from now on.

Like I said earlier, most 3rd party publishers (especially outside of the US) care more about numbers worldwide, not just in the US.

Though Microsoft will probably start getting cocky again should they outsell the PS4 heavily in both of the regions.

MS have been super humble lately. No more crazy spin PR from them.
November NPD PR, no more official increase power talk, even CPU core unlock was only leaks by sdk.

We'll see how long that "humbleness" will last should Microsoft heavily outsell PS4 in the US & in the UK.
 
it really is not. there's the entirety of japan, which last produced a generation under 40 million hardware units sold what, in the 1980s? sony couldn't get to 10 million consoles sold there in eight years with their second-place console, and it looks like the ps4 will have a hard time matching that as the best seller. there's handhelds, with both nintendo and sony suffering severely from a disappearing marketplace. microsoft apparently is losing big in europe and has lost quite a good deal of support from families who purchased the 360 late in its life.

these are multiple units, big ones, that are disappearing from the traditional industry. we're going to go from selling over 525 million units of hardware to likely something less than half that. it means there's less people to sell to. it means there's less genres available. that means fewer people the traditional industry appeals to. that's the danger in a shrinking marketplace.

Ok and do you have any numbers of other nations where console gaming has increased over the years? Japan is one market. What do the numbers from 20-30 other smaller markets tell us if they all see small increases from last gen? We're seeing developers emerge from all kinds of other nations that were not making console games in previous generations.

People point to Japan as this epicenter like it determines the health of the industry. I propose that other nations can pick up the slack and Japanese developers can still make console games that cater to other markets like they are doing at Capcom, From, Namco, etc.

Japan console market of customers is dying. I will agree with that. But Japan does not equal world. And low Japan console sales does not mean Japanese developers have to stop making games.
 
Why are people thinking Xbox One is at 10.5 or 11 million? They're last PR statement said " approaching 10 million" shipped. This was on November 10th last year. US and UK represent over 65% of Xbox Ones install base. The rest of the world is only accounting for 35% best case scenario. But people still are now comparing PS4 sold through to XB1 shipped? Last time I checked approaching doesn't mean you have crossed the finish line, let alone pass it.

No one is comparing shipped numbers or said that they crossed the line at that time(1 week into November NPD). If at the time of the announcement of nearly 10 million shipped they were at around 8 million sold through(just a guess as we don't know really know how close they were), it's not that hard to guesstimate another 2.5-3 million sold since then. Even if we say they were at 7.5 million sold through, it still remains true if my projection is accurate.

Obviously we won't know for sure until they release figures, but it would be very shocking if they were not at atleast 10 million sold through after likely selling 2.6-2.7 million in the US alone in two months.
 
dying is a strong word, but it is severely contracting. and it's doing so to a rather large detriment if companies don't take steps now to stop it from happening. sony seems to care in their attempts to foster a base with kids, funding games like knack, lbp3, tearaway unfolded, and the new ratchet reboot/movie. microsoft at least tried to reach a larger userbase by severely discounting their latest console. whether they're bringing in existing last gen people or reaching out to new ones too, it's yet to be seen.

calling the wii an anomaly is another strong word. it discounts what happened and what is happening with the wave of a hand, similar to calling the shrinking console market a dying one. the wii wasn't one userbase, but several, and those are all being eaten up by the same market. whether it's in japan, families, or among people who casually enjoy games, mobile is a massive force that's only growing. traditionally, a new generation starts and it brings in people who were traditionally not gamers before. that's how the gaming market has always grown (otherwise how do you get new customers?). this is the first generation that the box/retail market is shrinking, and on several fronts. it's something to be considerate about, for sure.

The only contraction is the loss of the great blue ocean that had never bought a console prior to purchasing the Wii, then didn't buy one again after owning it. How else do you explain the XB1 and PS4 selling combined over 25 million consoles already? (Closer to 30million if XB1 has actually managed to reach 10 million over the holidays). That vastly outpaces the PS3 and 360 combined sales during their first year.

I think the console market is perfectly fine, and perfectly healthy.
 
Slightly disappointed, I was honestly expecting a little bit more. At least 19M.

But a tie ratio of 4.4 and 11M of PS+ subscribers? That's really impressive.
Congrats Sony and Playstation!

20 million could have been possible if they'd lower the price temporarily during these past few months in NA.

Japan also dropped the ball, rather badly.

Profitability by a decent margin is what Sony's desperate for, I suppose.
 
I still think people were taking the Wii U's failure as indications that consoles were in trouble. People still want consoles, people still play games on consoles. The Wii was an abnormal in its approach and its userbase, but the Wii U didn't capture the casual audience the same way and, thus, the Wii U floundered and Nintendo were pretty much forced to set up their game. Which they did, in fairness. I just don't think Nintendo consoles are that popular.
 
That's a big number O_o
But somehow it's not surprising. The price of PS4 is much lower than PS3 at launch, even when we're not taking inflation to the count. People in third world market such as Asia will be more willing to picked one up faster than the PS3 did. That's how important it is the worldwide market for Sony.
 
No one is comparing shipped numbers or said that they crossed the line at that time(1 week into November NPD). If at the time of the announcement of nearly 10 million shipped they were at around 8 million sold through(just a guess as we don't know really know how close they were), it's not that hard to guesstimate another 2.5-3 million sold since then. Even if we say they were at 7.5 million sold through, it still remains true if my projection is accurate.

Obviously we won't know for sure until they release figures, but it would be very shocking if they were not at atleast 10 million sold through after likely selling 2.6-2.7 million in the US alone in two months.

That "approaching 10 Million" figure included the majority of their Holiday console shipments. Thus, it is basically impossible for their sales to have exceeded 10M before year's end.
 
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