Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW

bishoptl said:
You seem very certain. Please PM me your credentials. Looking forward to vetting another credible source.
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StevieP said:
Oh so it's only console wars.
Because the statement of "ps4 is dominating xb1 in Japan" is kinda like saying the shield is outselling the ouya.
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Except we were talking about whether there's any chance that PS4 falls to second place ever again. Please look at the context
 
StevieP said:
Oh so it's only console wars.
Because the statement of "ps4 is dominating xb1 in Japan" is kinda like saying the shield is outselling the ouya.
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You should follow the context, someone claimed MS may make a comeback and win this generation (or something like that).
 
slavesnyder said:
The cake got smaller and sony took the biggest chunk.
Congrats to ps4, but worries for the console industry.
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Who says the cake is smaller? Why worry about the market most viable for actual video game sales? Not like mobile games aren't a 1/1000000 success rate.
 
Miles X said:
It's my prediction, calm down. I could be very well wrong I'm not stating it as fact.



I've been pretty good with my predictions all year actually. I also think MS easily sold through that 10m shipment announcement they made early November?
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The way you argued with says otherwise.
 
Miles X said:
It's my prediction, calm down. I could be very well wrong I'm not stating it as fact.
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Oh, but you seemed incredibly...factual in your posts up until this point.

Now that we've clarified that it was, in fact, all guesswork, we can move on. Clear eyed and facing a bright new dawn, free from idle conjecture based on nothing at all.

Cheers.
 
Anyone know how this compares to the early years of the PS3 and 360? Because PS3 came out surrounded by lots of negativity and the 360 was the clear winner (In terms of sales) but towards the end the PS3 caught up.
 
Miles X said:
It's my prediction, calm down. I could be very well wrong I'm not stating it as fact.
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Hum...
Let me quote you again from a while earlier

Miles X said:
Because it has sold more than 2m outside of US/UK that's why. People seem to act like it's been discontinued outside of those two countries.

MS will announce around 12m+ (my prediction) shipments, solidifying that fact.
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You should mind the way you phrase things ^^
 
ConanTheKing said:
Anyone know how this compares to the early years of the PS3 and 360? Because PS3 came out surrounded by lots of negativity and the 360 was the clear winner (In terms of sales) but towards the end the PS3 caught up.
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The 360 came out a year ahead of the competition tough, kind of complicated to compare the two.
 
bishoptl said:
Oh, but you seemed incredibly...factual in your posts up until this point.

Now that we've clarified that it was, in fact, all guesswork, we can move on. Clear eyed and facing a bright new dawn, free from idle conjecture based on nothing at all.

Cheers.
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you are the only grown man I "know" that can make another grown man piss his pants just by showing his "face"..
 
Conduit said:
I'm pretty sure it is. PS4 beat them globally every month last year. How is possible the gap is shrinking if PS4 outsold them every month. It can only grow.
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You need to think in terms of marketshare, not in terms of absolute numbers.

a 20M to 10M gap is much more significant than a 100M to 90M gap, even though the gap is 10M in both cases.

Your marketshare can decrease even if you keep outselling your competitor because you don't just need to outsell them, you need to keep outselling them 2:1 to keep your marketshare intact.
 
yurinka said:
PS4 is on Wii numbers (over PS2) until now but unlike it still didn't released any major exclusives. PS4 will sell way more than 80 million specially if WiiU and XBO doesn't make something that boost permanently their sales (big price drops, buy major publishers).

For this year there are exclusives announced like Uncharted, The Order, Bloodborne, No Man's Sky, Rime, Persona, multiplatform games like Metal Gear, The Witcher 3, Evolve, Batman, AC or The Division and console exclusive from important indies like Devolver, Jonathan Blow or the creators or Dear Esther to name a few.

And for later we also know there's stuff coming from Sony like GT7, a new GoW, TLG and new IPs from Guerrilla, Quantic Dream, Media Molecule, Bend or Sony Japan. Plus other exclusive games like Street Fighter V.

The first year may have been light in terms of exclusives and high quality games, but this won't last. In any case, PS4 sold has a tie ratio of 4.42 games per console, an insane number more typical of mid generation than from a year after release. So maybe you didn't like the game released these year, but the people who owned a PS4 bought an average of more than 4 games.
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I will be extremely curious to see how well PS4 sales do now that I will have a good stream of games coming out.
I also think you would have to be crazy to not believe they will reach at least 80M lifetime.....
As far as the competition, the Wii U is dead (sales wise) as they have already had their biggest exclusives out, and are much cheaper, and still have not managed to make a dent in market share.....I think it was real telling when PS4 passed up the Wii U's LTD back in February (it was February right?)
The X1 will be more competitive, but only in NA, and UK regions. I think that at this point, Microsoft would love just to reach X360's LTD with the X1, though I don't think it will happen.
PS4 will likely have more than 50% marketshare at the end of the generation, though I don't think it will be another Gamecube/Xbox deal like it was years ago.

Syntsui said:
Well, considering not even the Wii could surpass the PS2 it is indeed impossible.
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I don't necessarily think so. The wii died off early because it was a fad, and did not have the support it needed from both first and third party to do well beyond the first four or so years.
PS4 will be different. I predict it will have much longer legs, and while I am not sure about the prospect of it reaching PS2 numbers, I don't think it is impossible if Sony plays their cards right, but if it does reach PS2's number, it will likely be several years after PS5 comes out.


Conduit said:
Yeah, shipped almost 10 mil. But how many they have sold trough, 7 or 8 mil. at that time???
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At that time?? Probabally north of 7M, but not 8M

They sold over 1M just in US for November though, and will likely sell over 1M in Dec. so all they need is 1M for the rest of the world Nov.-Dec. which I think they probably got.

My best guess is that they are at ~10.5M for end of the year, but that is just a guess so take it as you will.
 
I wonder how next weeks launch in China will affect the market.

The number is impressive no doubt. 18.5 mil without God Of War, Gran Turismo, or Uncharted.
 
Final Verdict said:
I will be extremely curious to see how well PS4 sales do now that I will have a good stream of games coming out.
I also think you would have to be crazy to not believe they will reach at least 80M lifetime.


I don't necessarily think so. The wii died off early because it was a fad, and did not have the support it needed from both first and third party to do well beyond the first four or so years.
PS4 will be different. I predict it will have much longer legs, and while I am not sure about the prospect of it reaching PS2 numbers, I don't think it is impossible if Sony plays their cards right, but if it does reach PS2's number, it will likely be several years after PS5 comes out.



At that time?? Probabally north of 7M, but not 8M

They sold over 1M just in US for November though, and will likely sell over 1M in Dec. so all they need is 1M for the rest of the world Nov.-Dec. which I think they probably got.

My best guess is that they are at ~10.5M for end of the year, but that is just a guess so take it as you will.
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Man people are still desperate to dismiss wii sales. How salty.

That It didn't have the industry support just means the industry fucked up. That it didn't last 8 years means it didn't take as long to actually make money.

Speaking of which - I think most people believe this will be a shorter generation than the last (that appeals to less people/demographics than the last few), so I don't think the ps4 (or any console ever again) will ever be the amazing mainstream juggernaut the ps2 was.
 
slavesnyder said:
i wish it was. Do not know the total sales numbers of consoles compared to last gen but i am sure it is less. And that is sad and will cause problems.
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Well, the Wii was lightning in a bottle of course. Especially if you look at the Gamecube that preceded it and the Wii U that followed it. But if you compare 360 and PS3 sales to PS4 and One sales, this gen is off to a much better start. And you should take a healthy PC market into account as well. The industry is fine.

Almost 20 million sales in about a year is a great result. It'll be interesting to see where it is a year from now.
 
StevieP said:
Man people are still desperate to dismiss wii sales. How salty.

That It didn't have the industry support just means the industry fucked up. That it didn't last 8 years means it didn't take as long to actually make money.

Speaking of which - I think most people believe this will be a shorter generation than the last (that appeals to less people/demographics than the last few), so I don't think the ps4 (or any console ever again) will ever be the amazing mainstream juggernaut the ps2 was.
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I think people rightly recognize the Wii for what it is...an anomaly. It branched out into a market segment never before seen in the traditional console space. It made money by not appealing to the traditional gaming market (except for a few first party titles for the Nintendo faithful) and managed to draw in new customers. Those customers later left to find games on mobile and tablet platforms and Nintendo couldn't repeat that success with the WiiU. The Wii had a new feature everyone wanted to check out, was cheaper than the other traditional game consoles, and had the weird games to draw in the crowds. Those three things combined to make it a success, a success which MS tried to duplicate without really understanding what caused it. Hence why a $500 console with Kinect just didn't have the appeal that a $250 Wii had.

I do agree this generation will be shorter, only because the last one went on so long. The PS4 I believe is the console with the most potential to repeat the PS2 era, but it will need to get down to about $300 before it really starts to take off. That won't happen immediately.
 
Only up to page 12 parsing the thread, but the first thing that comes to my mind when taking into account both the worldwide hardware sell-through and the game sales themselves is the absolute amazement that there are still game devs in Japan that refuse to market or sell games to non-Japanese audiences and instead find themselves with negative balance sheets trying to scrounge out a living on the non-existent Japanese console market.
 
teiresias said:
Only up to page 12 parsing the thread, but the first thing that comes to my mind when taking into account both the worldwide hardware sell-through and the game sales themselves is the absolute amazement that there are still game devs in Japan that refuse to market or sell games to non-Japanese audiences and instead find themselves with negative balance sheets trying to scrounge out a living on the non-existent Japanese console market.
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Japanese devs trying to appeal to the western market resulted in horrible games. They could market it all they want but they should not put the western audience into consideration when developing a title. Outside of a few scenarios they just don't excel at it.
 
ASIS said:
Japanese devs trying to appeal to the western market resulted in horrible games. They could market it all they want but they should not put the western audience into consideration when developing a title. Outside of a few scenarios they just don't excel at it.
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This...Capcom tried this nonsense by outsourcing to Ninja Theory and we got a bastardized and terrible version of Devil May Cry.

Never again Japan, never again.
 
The Last One said:
I'll try to make some predictions, here we go:

Xbox One sales as of today:
US: 6.3M
UK: 1.7M

So, 8M total units, which means Xbox One must have sold at least 2M units in the ROTW. So, yeah, possible it has reached 10M by now.

But I'm wearing a Knack avatar, you guys shouldn't listen to me.
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They must have sold 700k since 21st november in the UK by your numbers.
 
bishoptl said:
Oh, but you seemed incredibly...factual in your posts up until this point.

Now that we've clarified that it was, in fact, all guesswork, we can move on. Clear eyed and facing a bright new dawn, free from idle conjecture based on nothing at all.

Cheers.
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I didn't know you where a poet , Bish :p
 
Maxim726X said:
Console gaming dead confirmed.

Just imagine what the number will jump to after their first price cut....
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Consoles generally peak at the third year. Sony in particular always plans 10 year cycles for their systems…. I'll let that settle in a bit before you think about the potential total sales of the PS4 :P
 
Miles X said:
Still way off, they're above 10m sell through. They may not sell well outside of US/UK but it still sells.

Probably better in Canada, Mexico ect than most European countries actually.

And no US isn't 70% of sales either.
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Miles X said:
It's my prediction, calm down. I could be very well wrong I'm not stating it as fact.
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No qualifications, no IMO, it looked like you were stating a fact. Until we see some firm data from MS about shipments or sell through it is going to be very difficult to see the global picture for Xbox.
 
StevieP said:
Man people are still desperate to dismiss wii sales. How salty.

That It didn't have the industry support just means the industry fucked up. That it didn't last 8 years means it didn't take as long to actually make money.

Speaking of which - I think most people believe this will be a shorter generation than the last (that appeals to less people/demographics than the last few), so I don't think the ps4 (or any console ever again) will ever be the amazing mainstream juggernaut the ps2 was.
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Wasn't the Wii 150 bucks less than the PS4, though? Also, there was kinda still a Japanese market for consoles...
 
Nicely done Sony, however I wonder what the sales figure is going to be if they announced a PS4+ version with better hardware to handle 4K gaming.
 
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