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So I'm wrong in thinking that sexually assaulting a woman on a date is bad?

I was depressed for a long time during my youth and only started going out more over the last one and a half year and only started dating over the last 4 months ( I am 22) and whenever I wanted to kiss a girl or a guy (I am a bisexual man) I actually always asked beforehand (well only when I was like really really sure they wanted to) but I still did, you can do that if you want.
Maybe some found it weird, others cute, but I never not made out with the person I asked.
 
Can we have some women chime in because I think it's you guys that are being ridiculous.

If I'm on a date and he tries to kiss me/hold my hand/touch me then I'm not going to accuse him of sexual assault, even if I'm not into him. I would politely push him away if I didn't want anything to happen. If he persisted, that's when it could go down the sexual assault route. I mean if he grabbed my tit out of the blue or shoved a hand up my skirt then yeh that's bad, but normal things like hand on leg/arm/waist etc are fine.
 
Can we have some women chime in because I think it's you guys that are being ridiculous.

Those guys are doing a hell of a good job trying to give advice to others and putting up with you. A lot of them are speaking from experience even if the advice given might not always work out. Seeing how you're brushing off most, what difference does it make if you get similar replies from women? You have this negative aura and fear around you that needs fixing.

To answer your question (from a woman), you're quickly mentioning sexual assault as if it can easily happen. You need to be one rude and hungry idiot to achieve that. You'll be fine as long as you're polite and back off if a woman clearly isn't comfortable with being kissed or hands being grabbed. Grabbing ass or doing some pervet things while you barely know a person and know they're wouldn't be okay is a big no no. If you want to make sure everything goes smoothly it's not a bad idea to ask if you can grab hands etc.

Women are not some mythical beings. Treat them like human and try to put yourself in their shoes. And practice, after a while you'll get better at reading someone and feeling more comfortable. Getting rejected and having negative experience is part of practicing.
 
Why? Is it because you define self-worth with positive attention from women?

sadly, yes. when i had 3 women i was talking to and dating one i felt on top of the world. then the girl i was dating found another guy and the other 2 just dropped off the face of the earth. now i feel like trash.

i have no other self-worth. i don't care about friends, or hobbies, or any of that. i am just so tired of being without someone that it is basically all i care about now.
 
And here we go again....

"Hey"
Don't reply. Seriously.

bcl0328 said:
i have no other self-worth. i don't care about friends, or hobbies, or any of that. i am just so tired of being without someone that it is basically all i care about now.
There is great irony in this, man. Women will sense that you feel this way about yourself... and they'll run from you. Maybe its the reason your previous girls vanished? Sometimes the best thing is to go take care of yourself first and take time off of relationships.

Go to the gym, go join a club, go volunteer - do something to give your life meaning. You refresh your mind and obtain a new perspective on relationships. With that you also gain more success! Your obsessed and selfish nature has already hindered your progress.

Also, you should care for your friends. Who do you think will be around, besides family, if/when your partner breaks up with you? What are you planning to do when your future partner wants to go out with her girlfriends? Are you going to go crazy being alone at home?

Re-assess your priorities, bro. Think long and hard.

RpgN said:
Women are not some mythical beings. Treat them like human and try to put yourself in their shoes. And practice, after a while you'll get better at reading someone and feeling more comfortable. Getting rejected and having negative experience is part of practicing.
Exactly. Thank you.
 
sadly, yes. when i had 3 women i was talking to and dating one i felt on top of the world. then the girl i was dating found another guy and the other 2 just dropped off the face of the earth. now i feel like trash.

i have no other self-worth. i don't care about friends, or hobbies, or any of that. i am just so tired of being without someone that it is basically all i care about now.

This is an unhealthy attitude and something women will definitely pick up on. If you don't care about anything else, what do you have to offer in a relationship?
 
i'm just going to take a break and focus on myself. i thought i was ready, but i'm not. at least i got some more experience now and i know what i need to work on.

i just got too desperate and needy so i invested myself too much into them. time to invest in me.
 
About this whole thing...I have something to throw out.
Hopefully it's wrong. But maybe not.

Maybe grap3 (at least at this point) is sort of doing this on purpose. Every time he posts he gets at least 20+ replies while other poster's problems may go unnoticed.

We all know people seek validation in some crazy ways. And additionally this is the internet so...
With some of the responses he gives it seems he's just asking to get quoted like 20 times because he gets 20 people paying more attention to him than anyone else. It's getting more and more out of left field (Rape....really?) or backtracking or ignoring advice or just directly challenging certain posters (who are active on this forum....hmmm) to ensure a response and attention.

Again, this is the internet. Humans seek validation. Does a grap3 post ever go unnoticed?

Just throwing it out there.
(And as I type this I realize I'd be contributing to that problem as well haha).
 
Man, mid 30s and still...
I dunno, I can chat and talk and laugh and be liked and still never even get kissed once.
Add to that that I simply can't tell if a girl is just being her nice self or being actually interested.

And I hate the fact that when I go out I meet nice girls and my heart goes all aflutter. And never anything. I might be a bit boring at times when it comes to talking but I am all about doing stuff.

I will grow so bitter over this one day... I mean, more than I already am :-/
 
Man, mid 30s and still...
I dunno, I can chat and talk and laugh and be liked and still never even get kissed once.
Add to that that I simply can't tell if a girl is just being her nice self or being actually interested.

in my experience, all the ones i thought were being nice actually did like me. just go and assume they do like you. if you like them then just try to pursue them. if you like her as a friend then don't try.
 
I have a date arranged for tonight and the girl is still up for it, but she asked if we could take a rain check till Monday since she’s hungover.

It seems like she’s letting me decide, but would moving it be a bad idea?

I just wish Monday wasn't the only day she's free next week. :/
 
I have a date arranged for tonight and the girl is still up for it, but she asked if we could take a rain check till Monday since she’s hungover.

It seems like she’s letting me decide, but would moving it be a bad idea?

I just wish Monday wasn't the only day she's free next week. :/

Would you want to go to a date hungover?

I don't think you have much of a choice, and if you set a new date and she bails, you'll have confirmation of whether she did intend to go on the first place or not.
 
I have a date arranged for tonight and the girl is still up for it, but she asked if we could take a rain check till Monday since she’s hungover.

It seems like she’s letting me decide, but would moving it be a bad idea?

I just wish Monday wasn't the only day she's free next week. :/

My rule is everybody gets one reschedule for the first 1-3 dates. After that, it depends on how I feel about them and what the circumstances are.

Let her reschedule.
 
Man, mid 30s and still...
I dunno, I can chat and talk and laugh and be liked and still never even get kissed once.
Add to that that I simply can't tell if a girl is just being her nice self or being actually interested.

And I hate the fact that when I go out I meet nice girls and my heart goes all aflutter. And never anything. I might be a bit boring at times when it comes to talking but I am all about doing stuff.

I will grow so bitter over this one day... I mean, more than I already am :-/

If a girl is being friendly with you in a casual setting (without any obvious tangible gain) you should assume she's interested. Ask her to hang out if you like her. If you get a yes, do it a second time and make sure that second time has alone time involved. During alone time, go in for a kiss, or if you're nervous about that, try to hold hands first.

If you get rejected, (harder than it sounds at first) don't take it personally. They aren't under any obligation to like you that way any more than you are.

If you're getting that squishy feeling in your head every time you get close, and you observe she's doing nervous behavior like playing with her sleeves or hair, or perhaps "stealing" glances while you're talking... MAKE A DAMN MOVE ALREADY.

The thing a lot of dudes tend to forget is that women get advances all the time. If they're talking to you without you approaching them first, you'd be pretty safe to assume you have a decent - very good chance of at least getting a date or two out of them.
 
I..honestly cannot explain this.

Been dating a girl for about 3 months, whom I met online. We clicked instantly, spent a few days traveling for New Year's, had many successful dates, have expressed our desire emotionally and physically.

She was often the one to initiate the "I miss you's," the "I can't wait to be with you's," the "I need you" texts. Almost always. I used this as an opportunity to open myself emotionally to her.

This past week, she completely fell off the map. I saw her once this week, just a few days ago, for a hockey game, where I treated her to the game and food. She said she has been completely stressed with school and had to cancel plans for the upcoming weekend. Ok, fine.

I haven't heard from her since. No social media activity, no texts, nothing. I haven't been too clingy - one text wishing her luck, and another voicemail asking for her to check in. I feel like that is reasonable, given her disappearance.

What exactly is happening? Is she really pulling a fade this many months in? Is she purposely disappearing on social media to make it look like a realistic fade? I mean, what the hell? How do you get that close to someone and then just...disappear completely?

I mean, this may sound insane, but at what point do I contact police? I have not met her friends yet, and only met her parents once, but I cannot logically explain this disappearance at all. Gone for days? Not one check in through text, email, phone, Twitter?

It is driving me insane and I cannot understand it at all. Any help is greatly appreciated..
 
wait a minute, hold on. if i'm talking to someone else and i look behind them to the girl i like and she keeps looking back at me, she's interested??

In this case, I'm referring to something that can happen to you while you're having an active conversation with a girl you like. You want all 3 signals together, not just one. If you're getting this you definitely want to go for it.

The across the room look? It means she probably knows you're interested. My suggestion here is it's time to start up a conversation for sure.
 
I..honestly cannot explain this.

Been dating a girl for about 3 months, whom I met online. We clicked instantly, spent a few days traveling for New Year's, had many successful dates, have expressed our desire emotionally and physically.

She was often the one to initiate the "I miss you's," the "I can't wait to be with you's," the "I need you" texts. Almost always. I used this as an opportunity to open myself emotionally to her.

This past week, she completely fell off the map. I saw her once this week, just a few days ago, for a hockey game, where I treated her to the game and food. She said she has been completely stressed with school and had to cancel plans for the upcoming weekend. Ok, fine.

I haven't heard from her since. No social media activity, no texts, nothing. I haven't been too clingy - one text wishing her luck, and another voicemail asking for her to check in. I feel like that is reasonable, given her disappearance.

What exactly is happening? Is she really pulling a fade this many months in? Is she purposely disappearing on social media to make it look like a realistic fade? I mean, what the hell? How do you get that close to someone and then just...disappear completely?

I mean, this may sound insane, but at what point do I contact police? I have not met her friends yet, and only met her parents once, but I cannot logically explain this disappearance at all. Gone for days? Not one check in through text, email, phone, Twitter?

It is driving me insane and I cannot understand it at all. Any help is greatly appreciated..

If you're that worried I'd try and contact her parents before the police. If they don't know where she is either then you guys can decide what to do from there. There may be something going on that you haven't even considered.
 
In this case, I'm referring to something that can happen to you while you're having an active conversation with a girl you like. You want all 3 signals together, not just one. If you're getting this you definitely want to go for it.

The across the room look? It means she probably knows you're interested. My suggestion here is it's time to start up a conversation for sure.

oh i see, didn't know what you meant by stealing glances.
 
Jeez man no, do not contact the police. You've been in her life for 3 months. I think her longtime friends and family are more equipped to know if she needs police looking for her.
 
Maybe she has a death in the family and is out of town handling that?

Even still, she should at least contact him to let him know what's up. It isn't hard to find a minute to send someone a message.

Likely she's just a shitty person who is using avoidance as a way out as opposed to communication like a decent human being.
 
I..honestly cannot explain this.

Been dating a girl for about 3 months, whom I met online. We clicked instantly, spent a few days traveling for New Year's, had many successful dates, have expressed our desire emotionally and physically.

She was often the one to initiate the "I miss you's," the "I can't wait to be with you's," the "I need you" texts. Almost always. I used this as an opportunity to open myself emotionally to her.

This past week, she completely fell off the map. I saw her once this week, just a few days ago, for a hockey game, where I treated her to the game and food. She said she has been completely stressed with school and had to cancel plans for the upcoming weekend. Ok, fine.

I haven't heard from her since. No social media activity, no texts, nothing. I haven't been too clingy - one text wishing her luck, and another voicemail asking for her to check in. I feel like that is reasonable, given her disappearance.

What exactly is happening? Is she really pulling a fade this many months in? Is she purposely disappearing on social media to make it look like a realistic fade? I mean, what the hell? How do you get that close to someone and then just...disappear completely?

I mean, this may sound insane, but at what point do I contact police? I have not met her friends yet, and only met her parents once, but I cannot logically explain this disappearance at all. Gone for days? Not one check in through text, email, phone, Twitter?

It is driving me insane and I cannot understand it at all. Any help is greatly appreciated..

I'd hate to be the one that offers up a worst-case scenario explanation, but it could very well be that she has taken a huge interest in someone else, and can't bring herself to tell you she's through because she cares about you. It's not fair, but it can happen.
 
I'd hate to be the one that offers up a worst-case scenario explanation, but it could very well be that she has taken a huge interest in someone else, and can't bring herself to tell you she's through because she cares about you. It's not fair, but it can happen.
That's not necessarily true. If she is really stressed and burden by work, it happens.
 
Sooo.. there's this woman at one of my two jobs. She's absolutely gorgeous. Easily the hottest girl at the company. I've known her for several years now and we always chat for a bit whenever we see each other. But we don't work in the same department (she's actually part of management, though I don't report to her for anything), and so we only talk like once a day when we do see each other. Normally, when we spoke we would bump into each other in the kitchen, but I've actually been making an effort to actually go speak to her where she works (on the top floor of our building) the past couple of times I showed up to work.

The past few conversations and especially the one we had today felt way different than ones we've had in the past. She seemed way more interested in what I had to say, was more observant, asked more questions and we spoke longer than normally did.

So she asks me how my classes are going and I tell her good and she said that she needs to remind herself to call me so that I can help her apply at my university. She then asks me for my number and said she'd text me at some point so we can further discuss this. Also, during our conversation, she knew exactly how old I was. I thought that was a little surprising. Wonder if she's been checking out my Facebook?

Am I reading too much into this?
 
Even still, she should at least contact him to let him know what's up. It isn't hard to find a minute to send someone a message.

Likely she's just a shitty person who is using avoidance as a way out as opposed to communication like a decent human being.

Jeez man no, do not contact the police. You've been in her life for 3 months. I think her longtime friends and family are more equipped to know if she needs police looking for her.

I..honestly cannot explain this.

Been dating a girl for about 3 months, whom I met online. We clicked instantly, spent a few days traveling for New Year's, had many successful dates, have expressed our desire emotionally and physically.

She was often the one to initiate the "I miss you's," the "I can't wait to be with you's," the "I need you" texts. Almost always. I used this as an opportunity to open myself emotionally to her.

This past week, she completely fell off the map. I saw her once this week, just a few days ago, for a hockey game, where I treated her to the game and food. She said she has been completely stressed with school and had to cancel plans for the upcoming weekend. Ok, fine.

I haven't heard from her since. No social media activity, no texts, nothing. I haven't been too clingy - one text wishing her luck, and another voicemail asking for her to check in. I feel like that is reasonable, given her disappearance.

What exactly is happening? Is she really pulling a fade this many months in? Is she purposely disappearing on social media to make it look like a realistic fade? I mean, what the hell? How do you get that close to someone and then just...disappear completely?

I mean, this may sound insane, but at what point do I contact police? I have not met her friends yet, and only met her parents once, but I cannot logically explain this disappearance at all. Gone for days? Not one check in through text, email, phone, Twitter?

It is driving me insane and I cannot understand it at all. Any help is greatly appreciated..


The first two quotes.. My opinion - Your best bet is to begin detaching yourself and moving one. It is what it is.. It was only 3 months.. I have run into moments that ive been into a girl and she moved on.. Im into one girl and its only been 2 months but i am beginning to pull back to avoid being hurt. People change, i would not contact the police.. let the parents handle it. If she shows up and messages you maybe then you question what happened.. other than that put your mind on something else.
 
I..honestly cannot explain this.

Been dating a girl for about 3 months, whom I met online. We clicked instantly, spent a few days traveling for New Year's, had many successful dates, have expressed our desire emotionally and physically.

She was often the one to initiate the "I miss you's," the "I can't wait to be with you's," the "I need you" texts. Almost always. I used this as an opportunity to open myself emotionally to her.

This past week, she completely fell off the map. I saw her once this week, just a few days ago, for a hockey game, where I treated her to the game and food. She said she has been completely stressed with school and had to cancel plans for the upcoming weekend. Ok, fine.

I haven't heard from her since. No social media activity, no texts, nothing. I haven't been too clingy - one text wishing her luck, and another voicemail asking for her to check in. I feel like that is reasonable, given her disappearance.

What exactly is happening? Is she really pulling a fade this many months in? Is she purposely disappearing on social media to make it look like a realistic fade? I mean, what the hell? How do you get that close to someone and then just...disappear completely?

I mean, this may sound insane, but at what point do I contact police? I have not met her friends yet, and only met her parents once, but I cannot logically explain this disappearance at all. Gone for days? Not one check in through text, email, phone, Twitter?

It is driving me insane and I cannot understand it at all. Any help is greatly appreciated..

Honestly, the only times someone goes that long without contacting you is either 1) an actual emergency popped up or 2) they lost interest and found someone else. It's more than likely it's no. 2 sad to say.

If someone really liked you and wanted to keep you around, they would have found a way to message you in some way. I've had this done to me as well, when I came away from dates that I thought we had a great connection with. I'm also (somewhat ashamed) to admit I've done similar things, things I wouldn't have done if I still wanted to continue the relationships. This sorta shit just kinda happens, man. Give her one last text and see if she responds and if she doesn't, that's it. Time to move on to the next one.


Damn. Why is it always so much easier offering other people advice when it comes to dating?
 
Edit: She texted me saying she was a little drunk last night hence the late reply. She said she already had plans to watch it with her friend so I asked her to lunch on Tuesday. She said she'll get back to me.
 
I have a date arranged for tonight and the girl is still up for it, but she asked if we could take a rain check till Monday since she’s hungover.

It seems like she’s letting me decide, but would moving it be a bad idea?

I just wish Monday wasn't the only day she's free next week. :/
Hungover on a Friday morning? Heh.
 
Not all people work 9-5. Also thirsty thursdays is a real thing. I myself was actually really hungover yesterday morning.

Date today, taking him to a chocolate bar then back to my place for dinner and movies.

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Have fun.

So this girl I'm into mentioned that she really wants to watch Theory of Everything which is in cinemas right now in my country. I text her at 11pm last night asking her if she wants to watch it with me. She replies at about 3am saying that she though I've watched it already I explain to her that I haven't and I haven't got a reply since. Do I just have to wait now?

Edit: She texted me saying she was a little drunk last night hence the late reply. She said she already had plans to watch it with her friend so I asked her to lunch on Tuesday. She said she'll get back to me.

Don't get your hopes up.
 
OK, mates, a question if I may.

I just went on a date. It went very well, flowing conversations, joking etc. However at the same time, I wasn't getting much flirty body language. This could have been a circumstance of the location and or her being a bit ill. Or it could be that she isn't interested. All in all I was very confused. We hugged afterwards and she told me to message her if we were going to be working together in future, again something which could be a rejection of romantic interest or not (likely the former).

Anyway, what do you think I should do?
 
Edit: She texted me saying she was a little drunk last night hence the late reply. She said she already had plans to watch it with her friend so I asked her to lunch on Tuesday. She said she'll get back to me.
In my experience, a girl would ditch a plan such as that if she's truly interested in you. Heck, friends ditch each other all the time in pursuit of people they're interested in. Don't message her until Tuesday. If you don't hear from her, that's your answer.
 
Just relax and kiss her on the next date. Then you'll have a better idea.

Oh the not kissing part is not what confused me, I was just left feeling as if it wasn't a date at all? Should I message her this evening to say I had a good time (that sounds quite lame tbh) or just arrange another date in a few days?
 
So this girl I'm into mentioned that she really wants to watch Theory of Everything which is in cinemas right now in my country. I text her at 11pm last night asking her if she wants to watch it with me. She replies at about 3am saying that she though I've watched it already I explain to her that I haven't and I haven't got a reply since. Do I just have to wait now?

Edit: She texted me saying she was a little drunk last night hence the late reply. She said she already had plans to watch it with her friend so I asked her to lunch on Tuesday. She said she'll get back to me.
She's not interested. Don't text her, just move on.
 
Oh the not kissing part is not what confused me, I was just left feeling as if it wasn't a date at all? Should I message her this evening to say I had a good time (that sounds quite lame tbh) or just arrange another date in a few days?

If you're interested, message right away. Any delay just contributes to them thinking you're not that interested. Doesn't mean you won't get rejected but even if you do, better to know sooner than later.

I personally don't think kissing is a requirement on the first date. Second one for sure, and 3 at most though.

Say something simple like: Hey, I had a lot of fun! Let's do it again soon.

If you get a response in a reasonable amount of time schedule something.

Date #3 tonight for me. Magic number? I sure hope so, since I like this one.
 
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Sadly it's our fourth time in bed together (none of those times progressed much past making out, cuddling and talking.) though honestly I've opened up to him enough to the point where I'd want to be exclusively dating before we slept together.
I'll update you guys after our movie!
 
do you guys think that if no moves were made at all on the first date, the girl would lose interest?
I might feel as if he wasn't interested, but if he were to ask me out on a second date, then I'd give him til the end of that to make a move, through physical Or at least vocalized interest.
 
If you're interested, message right away. Any delay just contributes to them thinking you're not that interested. Doesn't mean you won't get rejected but even if you do, better to know sooner than later.

I personally don't think kissing is a requirement on the first date. Second one for sure, and 3 at most though.

Say something simple like: Hey, I had a lot of fun! Let's do it again soon.

If you kiss her on the next date, you'll have a better idea of whether she's into you or not. That's why I suggested it, you'll have your answer right there instead of trying to read into what signs she may or may not be giving you.

If you did have a good time, then go ahead and text her that. Censoring yourself to avoid being needy ironically makes you more needy. Just text her something like "I had a nice time getting to know you last night. Let's do it again Thursday night". Do it in your own words, but what matters is your intentions more than anything else.

Cheers! She actually messaged me in the meantime, so all's good. Seems like she was thinking the same as me.

Any suggestions for an interesting second date?
 
Would you want to go to a date hungover?

I don't think you have much of a choice, and if you set a new date and she bails, you'll have confirmation of whether she did intend to go on the first place or not.

My rule is everybody gets one reschedule for the first 1-3 dates. After that, it depends on how I feel about them and what the circumstances are.

Let her reschedule.
She actually later on suggested meeting up during the day today, but the last thing I wanted to do was to travel back into London when I'm off work.

Monday should be fine.

Hungover on a Friday morning? Heh.
She was at a work Christmas party, apparently.
 
So I went on a date yesterday and I think it went pretty well; we had coffee and talked for a couple hours, and it sounded like she wanted to go out again. I'm texting with her now and I'm about to ask her on a second date, but would next Friday be too far away to have the next one? I want to take her to a local arboretum/conservatory since she mentioned she's never been there (it's pretty well know since students get in free and it's within walking distance of the campus). They have lights up from Christmas if we go on a Friday night, and their orchids are blooming. But I'm wondering if next weekend is too far, and if I should ask her out for sometime sooner.
 
So I went on a date yesterday and I think it went pretty well; we had coffee and talked for a couple hours, and it sounded like she wanted to go out again. I'm texting with her now and I'm about to ask her on a second date, but would next Friday be too far away to have the next one? I want to take her to a local arboretum/conservatory since she mentioned she's never been there (it's pretty well know since students get in free and it's within walking distance of the campus). They have lights up from Christmas if we go on a Friday night, and their orchids are blooming. But I'm wondering if next weekend is too far, and if I should ask her out for sometime sooner.

are you both off monday?
 
We are and I asked if she's got any plans for the weekend; she says she's got some catching up with homework and such since she just got back from an interview a couple states away. Plus she does research at two labs. I was going to ask if she wanted to go out for drinks tomorrow night, but after she said that I figured it would be best to wait.

Edit: problem solved, I asked if she wanted to go and didn't specify a time, and she asked if Tuesday works for me. Date's set :)
 
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