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sounds fine for me. fun and casual messages are always ok. I just wouldn't cram something in there to get confirmation.

But in the grand scheme of things I don't think the after date texts matter that much. If a girl didn't like you while you met, she won't magically like you because you wrote the best message after the exact right amount of time. And if she liked you on the date, you can pretty much write whatever you want (within reason).

i just wanted to at least say something after, most times when i hang out with people i will send a text saying i made it home or something. not trying to win her over with a text. i don't know how she felt, and i'm not sure how i even feel.

the last girl i went out with, we text for a little after. feels different tonight.
 
You are going to have to be straight with her and tell her you would like to take her out on a date.

Oh god, I think I fucked up majorly. We went to see a movie and I was sitting there like, well I'm at a movie with a girl, I don't want to be friendzoned, so let me try to hold her hand.. haha, it worked for all of ten seconds before she kinda straightened up and let go to dig in her purse. That was the end of that. Fuck my life, I never felt so stupid, lol! Then when we leave, I apologize... multiple times. I mean like MULTIPLE times. My head was throbbing from embarrassment and stupidity. I still feel pretty dumb about it and probably will for days. I don't know what I was thinking. I should have waited, but I was so worried about that dreaded friend zone that I fucked myself. Maybe someone can learn from my mistakes.

She did tell me afterwards that she really likes hanging out with me and got another hug at the end of it all. We also made plans for Sunday, so I still have a chance at redemption. I'm confused now. I do know that I will not try any physical contact again until the wedding night, haha! Did I mention how fucking stupid I feel right now?
 
Oh god, I think I fucked up majorly. We went to see a movie and I was sitting there like, well I'm at a movie with a girl, I don't want to be friendzoned, so let me try to hold her hand.. haha, it worked for all of ten seconds before she kinda straightened up and let go to dig in her purse. That was the end of that. Fuck my life, I never felt so stupid, lol! Then when we leave, I apologize... multiple times. I mean like MULTIPLE times. My head was throbbing from embarrassment and stupidity. I still feel pretty dumb about it and probably will for days. I don't know what I was thinking. I should have waited, but I was so worried about that dreaded friend zone that I fucked myself. Maybe someone can learn from my mistakes.

She did tell me afterwards that she really likes hanging out with me and got another hug at the end of it all. We also made plans for Sunday, so I still have a chance at redemption. I'm confused now. I do know that I will not try any physical contact again until the wedding night, haha! Did I mention how fucking stupid I feel right now?

The only fuckup was apologizing so hard. It's not like you tried to ram your tongue down her throat.
 
I have pretty much lost interest in women. Nothing in my life is going well. no job, no career, learning progressing at a snails pace. Unless I fix those, I don't even feel like caring about women :/
 
The only fuckup was apologizing so hard. It's not like you tried to ram your tongue down her throat.

Yea, I guess so. Just being embarrassed coupled with my anxiety issues, my brain went into meltdown mode. I'm hoping goofy things like this end up putting a thick callous on my emotions. It would be great if I could just brush it off. I'm working at it. Hopefully, I'll get there.
 
The views thing is typical for a guy.

What is your typical opening message like, though? I assume you know this already but you've got to do more than just a greeting. Pull some stuff from their profile that genuinely interests you and comment about those things, ask further questions, etc. But also try to be reasonable concise.

I just started on POF and I've actually got about a 50% response rate, I'd say. I'm just an average looking dude, but I'm a pretty good writer and I think that's really carrying me.

You and I are GAF break up thread brothers, Patriot. Let's get you some responses.

Honestly there are so many fucking women that have 'ask me :)' in their profiles that it makes it next to impossible to say much. Of the women that have meat in their profiles, I will indeed greet them and ask them questions or comment on what they've written. Of the latter type, I'd say I have about a 30% response rate - give or a take a bit.
 
Honestly there are so many fucking women that have 'ask me :)' in their profiles that it makes it next to impossible to say much. Of the women that have meat in their profiles, I will indeed greet them and ask them questions or comment on what they've written. Of the latter type, I'd say I have about a 30% response rate - give or a take a bit.

Ignore the "ask me" types, not worth it at all. Honestly seeing that that's all they wrote is already enough for me to know I don't want much to do with them.

30% response rate is totally normal, don't worry about it. Just keep messaging people you find interesting and you should do fine.
 
My current partner and I met online a little over two years ago. The first time we had sex, she started crying in the middle of it. She was honest near the beginning about being depressed and having suicidal thoughts on and off. About 6 months into the relationship, she dropped out of college. Just a couple of weeks later, we found out she was pregnant (she was on the pill but we weren't using condoms). She decided to go through with the pregnancy, and her older sister and brother-in-law adopted the baby. We got engaged shortly after the baby was born (we'd been living together for a few months at that point).

Since then, we've barely had sex – the anxiety and emotional complication from everything makes it hard for me to envision being intimate with her. She continues to be depressed, have suicidal thoughts and panic attacks, and hates her body (the pregnancy and resulting changes have contributed to this, but she had significant body image issues even before the pregnancy). She quit her job about half a year ago. She's recently applied to jobs and even been hired, but didn't follow through with it. Her friends either live back home or have moved away. Her mom lives below the poverty line and can't help her financially. She barely talks to her dad.

For a long time, I thought I would be able to handle things, that if I loved her and tried hard enough, it would work out. But now I truly believe it won't. As much as I do love her and wish that we could be happy together, I don't think that us staying together is good for either of us. Even if she were to recover, I don't think I could get over all the pain we've been through these past two years. Perhaps we could try to stay together and work towards being more healthy, but I don't want to dangle that hope in front of her and then realize later that I still wouldn't be happy. In addition, I think I need to be alone for a while. I'm finishing up with school and about to embark on the beginning of my career, which is going to take a lot of hard work and energy. I barely have the ability to take care of my two cats, so how can I take care of a person? Furthermore, this is the second very serious relationship that I've been in, and both have unhealthy similarities that tell me I need to figure some things out for myself.

I've never broken up with anyone before. I'm scared of what she might do. Has anyone out there ended a relationship with someone who was suicidal?

So apparently she attempted suicide last week – she told her therapist on Tuesday, who had me check her into a hospital. I've been visiting her each day and I feel totally disconnected from her. It's so hard to see her as the person I fell in love with 2 years ago... or even the person I still loved a week ago. I just feel empty when I look at her.

She went out of town for two weeks after she got out of the hospital to visit family and friends. I had a week long trip right after that, so this week was the first week we'd been back spending time together in about a month. Now after that time and space I had actually started to feel optimistic about the relationship (remembering the good times and why I like her), though I quickly realized that things were still the same with her and with us.

Yesterday she texted me during the day and said she was going to her mom's. When I got home, all of her stuff was gone from the apartment. She left the key under the doormat. She asked me to not call her for several days.

Sure, I was planning on having a big talk with her this weekend with the intent of ending the relationship, but this is just a shitty way for it to end for me...
 
Hey guys, you may remember me from page two of this topic. If you don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't, here's the low-down.

Basically, I asked this girl out a couple months ago and she gave me her number. Then, she texted me the next day saying she couldn't go through with it, citing typical friendzone stuff. We've sort of avoided association since.

Now, I'd like to think that I've separated myself from my feelings for her but obviously I haven't if my posting here is any indication.

We've recently started talking again and I've been considering asking her out again. Despite my best efforts, I can't seem to move on. I really just need somebody else to tell me it's a bad idea. Would things really change in a couple of months? Probably not, right GAF?
 
Hey guys, you may remember me from page two of this topic. If you don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't, here's the low-down.

Basically, I asked this girl out a couple months ago and she gave me her number. Then, she texted me the next day saying she couldn't go through with it, citing typical friendzone stuff. We've sort of avoided association since.

Now, I'd like to think that I've separated myself from my feelings for her but obviously I haven't if my posting here is any indication.

We've recently started talking again and I've been considering asking her out again. Despite my best efforts, I can't seem to move on. I really just need somebody else to tell me it's a bad idea. Would things really change in a couple of months? Probably not, right GAF?
Depends a bit on the situation. Is this someone you need to work with or see regularly? If so, don't ask again, not worth the awkwardness of her saying no again.

Otherwise, I would ask again casually if she has initiated the new contact. Just ask her out for a drink and see how she reacts. I mean, worst thing she can say is no again. And from what you're saying, it's not like you are interested in being just friends anyway.
 
Hey guys, you may remember me from page two of this topic. If you don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't, here's the low-down.

Basically, I asked this girl out a couple months ago and she gave me her number. Then, she texted me the next day saying she couldn't go through with it, citing typical friendzone stuff. We've sort of avoided association since.

Now, I'd like to think that I've separated myself from my feelings for her but obviously I haven't if my posting here is any indication.

We've recently started talking again and I've been considering asking her out again. Despite my best efforts, I can't seem to move on. I really just need somebody else to tell me it's a bad idea. Would things really change in a couple of months? Probably not, right GAF?

I think, given your "history", you should carefully analyze your current standing. Since there was already a (somewhat) clear rejection in the past, I think there would need to be an incredible amount of chemistry going on now as you've began talking again to warrant you asking her out once more. Otherwise, you might just be suffering from infatuation. If it's not present, refrain and keep on being friendly. Cut contact if feelings persist over the next couple of months.

I feel you though. I'm in a somewhat similar situation, in which the ridiculous chemistry is still present after our break-up >:(.
 
Yea, I guess so. Just being embarrassed coupled with my anxiety issues, my brain went into meltdown mode. I'm hoping goofy things like this end up putting a thick callous on my emotions. It would be great if I could just brush it off. I'm working at it. Hopefully, I'll get there.

Just keep at it and keep taking risks; it'll get easier. Definitely don't give up completely on physical contact; you just gotta figure out the timing, which'll take some trial and error. Don't get hung up on your mistakes :)

You are bitter and you're implying things that people don't mean. Be yourself doesn't mean be a selfish asshole who doesn't bend ever. It means being the person you want to be and strive to be. Too many people think you need to act a certain way or be a certain person to attract a girl. People like confidence not some mold a pua made up. You're going to be miserable if you have to constantly fake things around your partner just to date them.

When did I ever say that's what it meant?

You're saying exactly what I'm saying, you just think "be yourself" means something more than what I take it to mean. But then I'm also probably looking at the context differently; I just saw that phrase and it made me want to rant :P
 
Guys, I finally got a number from OKCupid from a girl from my town. I was just talking normally to her though private messaging like always, and she actually REPLIED to my messages like a normal human being! And then last night while I was asleep, she messaged me her number. I'm going to stay on yellow for a long time and play it safe. Casually talk to her as a friend first. I've learned my lesson from last time about just going for it without getting to know a person. :/
 
Guys, I finally got a number from OKCupid from a girl from my town. I was just talking normally to her though private messaging like always, and she actually REPLIED to my messages like a normal human being! And then last night while I was asleep, she messaged me her number. I'm going to stay on yellow for a long time and play it safe. Casually talk to her as a friend first. I've learned my lesson from last time about just going for it without getting to know a person. :/
What's stopping you taking her number and remaining friends? Hell, for all you know, she might just want to remain friends, but hates the OKC messaging system. Just go with the flow, bruh.
 
She went out of town for two weeks after she got out of the hospital to visit family and friends. I had a week long trip right after that, so this week was the first week we'd been back spending time together in about a month. Now after that time and space I had actually started to feel optimistic about the relationship (remembering the good times and why I like her), though I quickly realized that things were still the same with her and with us.

Yesterday she texted me during the day and said she was going to her mom's. When I got home, all of her stuff was gone from the apartment. She left the key under the doormat. She asked me to not call her for several days.

Sure, I was planning on having a big talk with her this weekend with the intent of ending the relationship, but this is just a shitty way for it to end for me...

Might be better this way. I went through a similar situation last year. The best advice I can give you is that the longer you drag this thing out the worse things will be. Especially with someone who has emotional problems. They're likely to drag you down into whatever craziness they're experiencing. You don't want to live at the bottom of that emotional well any longer than you absolutely have to.
 
Just keep at it and keep taking risks; it'll get easier. Definitely don't give up completely on physical contact; you just gotta figure out the timing, which'll take some trial and error. Don't get hung up on your mistakes :)



When did I ever say that's what it meant?

You're saying exactly what I'm saying, you just think "be yourself" means something more than what I take it to mean. But then I'm also probably looking at the context differently; I just saw that phrase and it made me want to rant :P

It doesn't seem like it, you're taking a really negative view for no reason. Be yourself is supposed to be empowering, not that things don't go your way on life and a whole bunch of other stuff use ranting about. No one has ever used that in this thread as things will magically work with no effort. So no, we don't mean the same thing if that's what you think be yourself means. I explained that in my post.
 
Guys, I finally got a number from OKCupid from a girl from my town. I was just talking normally to her though private messaging like always, and she actually REPLIED to my messages like a normal human being! And then last night while I was asleep, she messaged me her number. I'm going to stay on yellow for a long time and play it safe. Casually talk to her as a friend first. I've learned my lesson from last time about just going for it without getting to know a person. :/

what happened?

i don't know where i stand on waiting and talking vs. asking right away. there were two girls on OKC that i talked to very briefly and when i asked them out, they flaked. if i waited and talked a while longer, would that have changed anything? who knows.

then another girl i only sent a few messages, then asked her out and she gave me her number and we went out. she ended up not liking me apparently. in this situation i don't thinking talking to her as friends would have helped. but who knows.
 
@bms2993

The question is do you want to date her or not? If yes, avoid being casual about it. Beating around the bush and waiting for the girl to be "comfortable" for you to ask her out is a waste of time usually. Its very attractive if a person, whether guy or girl, is bold, direct, and assertive. If she says no... well, you being less assertive won't change that. You said you want to get to know her before asking her out, right? That's what a first date is for.
 
My partner is looking to move away from the area. She's lived here for 23 years and has had enough of the place. She, as she puts it, wants to 'run away and escape' somewhere new. Thing is, she wants to take me along with her. We've been going out just over a month. I do like her a lot. There's a load of chemistry between us mentally, physically and sexually.

Only downside is, moving away would mean giving up my business. I pointed this out to her, and she shrugged it off, saying I can 'start afresh' wherever we end up. I explained to her that this business is my baby, and I'm not prepared to give it up for anyone. She called me selfish, threw a hissy fit and stormed out.

Now, I'm not being unreasonable in any sense of the word, am I? What she's asked of me is HUGE. I put my heart, soul and money into that business, so why should I give it up for anyone, let alone someone I've only been going out with for a short while?
 
Moving away after knowing something for a month? She's the one being selfish.

If you break up after moving and losing your business, she's not the one that's going to suffer for it
 
We technically only had one date so far so I'd rather wait one more for that. Rather go somewhere, house might be too much pressure after one date.

It's fine if you're not comfortable with that yet. But if the spirit moves you, nothing wrong IMO. Definitely want to make some kind of move on the second date if you can though. Just tell her you promise to be a gentleman and leave it at that.

(Editor's note: "be a gentleman" means you won't do anything she doesn't want you to. So if she wants it and you do too go for it.)
 
My partner is looking to move away from the area. She's lived here for 23 years and has had enough of the place. She, as she puts it, wants to 'run away and escape' somewhere new. Thing is, she wants to take me along with her. We've been going out just over a month. I do like her a lot. There's a load of chemistry between us mentally, physically and sexually.

Only downside is, moving away would mean giving up my business. I pointed this out to her, and she shrugged it off, saying I can 'start afresh' wherever we end up. I explained to her that this business is my baby, and I'm not prepared to give it up for anyone. She called me selfish, threw a hissy fit and stormed out.

Now, I'm not being unreasonable in any sense of the word, am I? What she's asked of me is HUGE. I put my heart, soul and money into that business, so why should I give it up for anyone, let alone someone I've only been going out with for a short while?

Wow... My job is a huge part of who I am. I am but a cog in a huge corporation. I couldn't even fathom being asked to leave a business I started.

Does she understand how much your business means to you? Does she realize that it takes a lot of hard work, and even luck to get a business going? How long have the two of you been having serious life altering discussions about each other? I mean just shutting down shop moving wherever her heart desires... is there even a way to start your business where she wants to move?
 
I have a question for you guys.

I've hung out with this girl twice now, and we have plans to hang out again next Saturday. Only I'm not really sure if she just wants to be friends, or if she's interested in something more. Would it be wrong or rude for me to just ask her directly?
 
I have a question for you guys.

I've hung out with this girl twice now, and we have plans to hang out again next Saturday. Only I'm not really sure if she just wants to be friends, or if she's interested in something more. Would it be wrong or rude for me to just ask her directly?

There are more subtle ways of going about it. Touching her hand being the simplist way. Hug her, put your arm around her, things like that to test the waters, so to speak. If that's not your thing and you'd rather ask her directly, you can. But I know girls that aren't fond of that kind of forwardness. How do you think she would respond to it?

You should also stop using the term "hang out." You're not hanging out with her, you're going on dates with her. Make sure she's aware of that. Don't ask her "do you want to hang out this Saturday?" Ask her instead "do you want to go on a date Saturday night?" Set the tone.
 
My partner is looking to move away from the area. She's lived here for 23 years and has had enough of the place. She, as she puts it, wants to 'run away and escape' somewhere new. Thing is, she wants to take me along with her. We've been going out just over a month. I do like her a lot. There's a load of chemistry between us mentally, physically and sexually.

Only downside is, moving away would mean giving up my business. I pointed this out to her, and she shrugged it off, saying I can 'start afresh' wherever we end up. I explained to her that this business is my baby, and I'm not prepared to give it up for anyone. She called me selfish, threw a hissy fit and stormed out.

Now, I'm not being unreasonable in any sense of the word, am I? What she's asked of me is HUGE. I put my heart, soul and money into that business, so why should I give it up for anyone, let alone someone I've only been going out with for a short while?

What kind of business do you have?

Talking about moving together somewhere after a month of dating seems rather fast, but on the other hand, my fiancé and I started talking about moving to the same city together after just a couple of months. In our case, we weren't in the same city when we met, but hit if off very well and started making plans to move somewhere together soon. We're coming up on a year of living together now though, and it has been fantastic.
 
Does she understand how much your business means to you? Does she realize that it takes a lot of hard work, and even luck to get a business going? How long have the two of you been having serious life altering discussions about each other? I mean just shutting down shop moving wherever her heart desires... is there even a way to start your business where she wants to move?
I did explain to her how much this business means to me, that it was something I wanted to do from a very young age. She accepted that but still insisted on calling me selfish. That's when I really began to lose my cool. It's not selfish in any shape or form to want to ensure my business is kept alive. If that means she has to move away on her own, despite the fact that I do infact like her, so be it.

What kind of business do you have?
I work in graphic design, digital and print. I do have a few clients nationwide but many of them are local, which is why I'm extremely reluctant to move. I have a strong customer base and a great reputation. I'm not willing to give that up for anybody.
 
I did explain to her how much this business means to me, that it was something I wanted to do from a very young age. She accepted that but still insisted on calling me selfish. That's when I really began to lose my cool. It's not selfish in any shape or form to want to ensure my business is kept alive. If that means she has to move away on her own, despite the fact that I do infact like her, so be it.


I work in graphic design, digital and print. I do have a few clients nationwide but many of them are local, which is why I'm extremely reluctant to move. I have a strong customer base and a great reputation. I'm not willing to give that up for anybody.

Yeah do not move. If she is saying your selfish after you have explained what your business means to you... you don't need that. Trust me Drama Bombs will be flying in no time when really serious shit hits the fan later on in your relationship with her.
 
I did explain to her how much this business means to me, that it was something I wanted to do from a very young age. She accepted that but still insisted on calling me selfish.
Well, technically, she's being selfish here by assuming you must pack your bags and go wherever she pleases. But really, don't take the remark personally. She's just had her ego bruised because in her mind you value her business more than her. To her its probably the same as you picking another girl over her.
 
Well, technically, she's being selfish here by assuming you must pack your bags and go wherever she pleases. But really, don't take the remark personally. She's just had her ego bruised because in her mind you value her business more than her. To her its probably the same as you picking another girl over her.

Why would anyone want to deal with a person that would be like this? Seriously. Chose me over your life and business and after only a month of dating?
 
My partner is looking to move away from the area. She's lived here for 23 years and has had enough of the place. She, as she puts it, wants to 'run away and escape' somewhere new. Thing is, she wants to take me along with her. We've been going out just over a month. I do like her a lot. There's a load of chemistry between us mentally, physically and sexually.

Only downside is, moving away would mean giving up my business. I pointed this out to her, and she shrugged it off, saying I can 'start afresh' wherever we end up. I explained to her that this business is my baby, and I'm not prepared to give it up for anyone. She called me selfish, threw a hissy fit and stormed out.

Now, I'm not being unreasonable in any sense of the word, am I? What she's asked of me is HUGE. I put my heart, soul and money into that business, so why should I give it up for anyone, let alone someone I've only been going out with for a short while?

You're the selfish one? Says the girl that's only been in your life for a month and expects you to drop everything to be with her?

Cut bait.
 
how do you guys view rejection? you meet a girl online, she agrees to go out with you, that must mean she thought you were attractive right? then you went on a date and she just didn't feel compatible with you?
 
how do you guys view rejection? you meet a girl online, she agrees to go out with you, that must mean she thought you were attractive right? then you went on a date and she just didn't feel compatible with you?

I don't know, I don't really view it as anything. I've lost interest on the first date also before. Your hopes shouldn't be that high since you should be reserving judgment until you actually spend time together and such. Biggest thing is to not put stock on it, I've lost interest for a variety of reasons with some differently making me realize I wasn't ready for a relationship yet. The reason usually doesn't matter.
 
how do you guys view rejection? you meet a girl online, she agrees to go out with you, that must mean she thought you were attractive right? then you went on a date and she just didn't feel compatible with you?

Could be a dozen different reasons. As shocking as it may sound, sometimes it's not you, it's her. Be numb to it and move on.
 
Well, technically, she's being selfish here by assuming you must pack your bags and go wherever she pleases. But really, don't take the remark personally. She's just had her ego bruised because in her mind you value her business more than her. To her its probably the same as you picking another girl over her.
In a way, I treat my business like it is another girl. I put years of work into setting it up. I've been designing since I was 11. I'm not going to see all that experience and training go to waste for some woman, no matter how much I like her.

Why would anyone want to deal with a person that would be like this? Seriously. Choose me over your life and business and after only a month of dating?
Right!?

I really don't see how she thinks she's being at all reasonable in requesting something as big as this. I like her, yes, but this is just ridiculous.

You're the selfish one? Says the girl that's only been in your life for a month and expects you to drop everything to be with her?

Cut bait.
I'm going to try talking to her later, see if I can get her to see how selfish she's being. Cutting bait just yet seems a bit harsh, especially when I could make her see sense. She clearly wants to discuss it, as I had 3 missed calls in the night. Welp.
 
I'm interested in this girl at work, but whenever I try to ease into a conversation with her, she just seems to not respond.

It feels like I'm imposing on her when I'm trying to ease into having a conversation with her.
 
how do you guys view rejection? you meet a girl online, she agrees to go out with you, that must mean she thought you were attractive right? then you went on a date and she just didn't feel compatible with you?

It means she saw enough in your pictures and profile to think you're worth shooting the shit with for an hour. Nobody (you included) is ever going to get anything other than a rough idea of whether there's chemistry there or not. If she doesn't feel it on date one, you're probably done for.

For women in any major population center that are reasonably attractive, it's not uncommon to be able to have a different guy to hang out with every day of the week if they want it. And several messages per day.

If they reject you, don't take it personally at all. Just view it as practice and move on.

The bad news is that the type of chemistry in question is gonna be a one in 50 kind of thing (in my experience at any rate.) The good news is that because they're looking for that kind of chemistry, when it happens it's gonna HAPPEN. And in the meantime you get to go have a bunch of single serving friends.

Don't get hung up on your own looks or theirs on their profile either. Especially when you're first starting. Chemistry is a really damn weird thing and it happens with some pretty random people sometimes.
 
how do you guys view rejection? you meet a girl online, she agrees to go out with you, that must mean she thought you were attractive right? then you went on a date and she just didn't feel compatible with you?
Maybe there just wasn't a connection? I've never gone on a date where I was upset with the guy misrepresentinf he way he looks online, but I have not called someone back because we just didn't mesh well.


We have our 6th date today! I picked out my outfit and now it's snowing like crazy so I have to rethink things. :( gonna meet up for tea in harvard, then go see blade runner in the theater. Afterwards we are going back to his place for his roommates bday. It was supposed to be a double date but my friend cancelled.

Guys I think tonight we may end up having sex. It may actually happen. I will update before and during and after with a report and evaluation.
 
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