Lex Luthor, Superman to be in Arkham Knight?
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Spring-Loaded
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Sibersk Esto
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That superman returns game had some sweet flying. I think if the enemies in that game were more varied, the story better and the graphics were better it would be looked at in a better light.
Some things can stop/kill him.
Ninja Scooter
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A metroidvania where you lose your powers and gain them back one by one?
Doctoglethorpe
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Yeah I feel the same way. Superman could put Batman out of the job in one night if he wanted to. Why doesn't he? Cause reasons, shut up. Nah, just better to pretend its not even a factor really.
Most comic heroes were created in vacuums anyways and mashed together with no regards to compatibility, because money. Toss that rubbish.
Nah, not true. There's no way Superman could get rid of the corruption deeply rooted in Gotham overnight or even with years of investigative journalism and expose's. There's also no way he'd be any more or less effective than Bats except MAYBE saving people from a runaway train or explosion or something.
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Wouldn't work and has never happened, the one time off the top of my head where Supes was controlled and fighting Bats, Superman, while fighting the control best he could, was literally a couple seconds away from killing Bruce if not for Catwoman putting Lois in mortal danger and forcing Supes to save her, breaking the spell. The best that Boss battle could be would be "stall for time".
Dude no. Joker could take control of superman just by using kryptonite infused joker toxin.
And that's just Joker, the corruption in Gotham is something you don't stop just by punching things. Batman also goes after drug dealers, illegal dog fights, serial killers... Things that require extracting info and investigating
Superman just punches what's in front of him. He doesn't have the brains to figure out that A bad guy plus B killer must be a plan of C villain.
Doctoglethorpe
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I meant just take out all the super villains. The general corruption don't need a man in a costume to fix it. Truth is Batman could never fix that shit the way he operates. But is Superman existed, he would fly in and take out the Joker day one. Probably take out Batman too. Oh wait, he tried, but lost, because reasons.
That brings up another issue. I can suspend disbelief in comics a lot, but Superman pushes it too far. He's so overpowered they have to restrict him in really artificial ways to keep him relevant. That just makes for a terrible character, the opposite of Batman, who is a great character because he actually has interesting and logical limitations. He faces real challenges. Superman doesn't. Batman and Superman do not mix at all, they are polar opposite characters that exist in polar opposite worlds.
lol, exactly. Kryptonite is exactly why Superman is a shit character. He's only weaknesses a contrived plot device.
OneEyedKing
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They already name-dropped Metropolis in Arkham City.
Take out Joker....how? By locking him up, same as Bruce? The speed may change but the results are the same and, with enough go rounds, Joker is bound to find out Superman's weaknesses. Same with all other "thinking" villains. No matter what Superman is still reactive, as is all heroes, so he can't stop a Joker plot that hasn't started yet and, by the time it started, people could be hurt or dead or what have you. If it was that easy then people he cared about would never die and he'd be able to save any and everyone but he can't because, and follow me here, he can't do everything.
Artificial ways? Do you know how many battles Superman has been in where he's gotten hurt without any of those weaknesses or his powers being lesser? It's A LOT. Please don't assume every arc of Superman has him swatting Supervillains down with ease until they bring out a green rock. There's grunts that Superman deals with easily, as does Batman, Spider-Man and any other hero, and then there's secondary villains that can give him problems but rarely do, and then there's his main gallery that give him fits in every encounter.
Only?
Kryptonite.
Magic.
Red Sun energy.
Psycic attacks.
Physical/energy attacks stronger than his durability.
There's so much more that can hurt Supes than a rock, ANY punch strong enough can hurt him.
flaxknuckles
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Well, Superman obviously isn't a god-tier detective like Batman, but you are underrating his intelligence so much it's apparent you've never read a comic or seen a tv episode of his at all.
Beelzebufo
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Superman is a genius scientist. He invents more shit than Batman does all the time, and punches harder.
It wouldn't be control, it'd just be a hallucination and this was covered in Injustice: Gods Among Us comic. It's an alright plot but Supes got over the toxin fairly quickly so, unless it's constantly pumping into him, it's not gonna hold for long.
Edit: Superman has built so much Kryptonian technology and learned so much about the biology of himself/people from archives on top of learning this Kryptonian language, why do people think he's just some muscle-brained dude punching what's in front of him?
Shining Sunshine
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Like I said in the other thread. Superman is the Arkham Knight.
krypt0nian
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You can always tell when non-comics readers try to post about Superman. It's like they're trying to spout off on particle physics! HAHAHAHAHA
On topic, it's so very likely just another in a series of Easter eggs.
On topic, it's so very likely just another in a series of Easter eggs.
Slamtastic
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Because if he was less perfect and had some flaws, maybe he'd be an interesting character.
krypt0nian
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Again, read more comics. He's never portrayed as perfect or invincible. This is your built in bias speaking, not proved out by canon. You just sound uninformed to someone who knows better.
The good news is reading comics is awesome so there's still hope.
Slamtastic
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He sounds perfect and invincible when all of his fans keep reminding you that he's more resistant to kryptonite than you think, smarter than you think, knows more fighting techniques than you think, etc.
krypt0nian
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Easy solution. Take it or don't.
Let's say he is all those things, he still gets hurt in any worthwhile fight (meaning not, like, bank robbers or something) so he's not invincible, and he's hard headed, overprotective, forgiving to a fault, etc. so he's not perfect.
Edit: Again, terrible criticism. Also, Batman's most interesting aspect is that he's "just a guy" and that doesn't speak to who he is as a character, good or bad, just that he's instantly "interesting" because he's just a guy that can be hurt by normal stuff.
superman makes a bad comic because there's so little you can do with the character, and would make an even worse game.
wrap him in cryptonite for the whole game? okay, well, then he doesn't have powers and it may as well not be a superman game.
don't wrap him in cryptonite? okay, well, he's god. that makes for a fun game.
Would love a Flash game. Fuck Superman.
This is also a good answer.
New 52 Supes, from what I've read, is fine powers-wise. He hasn't been ridiculous for a looooong time.
Yeah. I loved the Morrison run where he wasn't even flying yet.
Reading some of this thread, it's evident a lot of haters haven't read a single Superman comic.
Scrub Mcgrubb
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I'm sure making tacked-on Catwoman pre-order DLC for Arkham City or tacked-on Harley Quinn pre-order DLC for Arkham Knight weren't all that interesting for them either... but their boss told them to make it so they did.
I'm just looking at things from a business perspective... a "good" Superman game is definitely something WB should be interested in making.
It will be another 2-3 years before we find out what the next Rocksteady title is anyway... so it's really just a wild guess and not any kind of informed speculation.
Hear hear, Supes is awesome.
Or read, like, pre-Crisis or something. I know a friend that thinks like the people in this thread and he hasn't read a Superman comic in about 20 years but still wanted to debate with me about the character and his "OP God Mod" status.
I honestly think people looked at the original Superman movies and maybe some of the animated series and see him as nothing but that.
Edit: And yeah, early New 52 run was pretty good though I wasn't feeling Lex at first. When Villains Month rolled around and they had the Lex issue I feel in love with him again. I fucking LOVE Lex.
DoctorFling
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Yay, the age-old Superman/Batman argument. I doubt this is anything but a fun reference.
Slamtastic
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Well, an entire comics company bread and buttered themselves on relatable characters like a bullied high school student and people facing discrimination by society, and they seem to be doing pretty well today.
I hope not, I prefer to pretend Superman doesn't exist.
He really is a shitty ass super hero.
Going by comics/shows, they tend to use these plot devices:
- Batman villain found some kryptonite
- Batman villain found a method to mind-control Superman (e.g. empowered Ivy spores)
- Batman villain teamed up with Superman's rogues
- Government got Superman to do something which Batman disagrees with
- Magic villains
Fan boys or Trollin' no worries just let them be. We all know Superman is awesome! I remember I hated the Superman Returns game but sometimes I'd fire it up just to fly around.
……forgetit
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This is an awful opinion.
There have been tons of stories where Superman has been challeneged. Kryptonite isn't even a main factor in most of his great stories.
Yeah. Flying was great. Wish they'd build a game off that flying mechanic.
Hidden One
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I must have imagined my 35 TPBs in my room. And my Snyder's Batman hardcover collection.
Superman was stupid enough to cross the border of an antiAmerican country with WW, making a show out of it, iniciating an international conflict and leaving the league in a terrible light. And he didn't realize what he did until Batman explained it to him.
all that in just Justice League #19.
I'm not making hyperboles with his intelligence
Very true.
Yeah, that game had a great engine. The flying, the scale, the powers... it just needed more to do!
Agreed on all accounts.