excelsiorlef
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You'd laugh at rape and violence and shooting and bomb threats (some of those delivered not to her but to the places she goes to speak)?
Anita Sarkeesian has disclosed what she has done with the Kickstarter money
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You'd laugh at rape and violence and shooting and bomb threats (some of those delivered not to her but to the places she goes to speak)?
jim-jam bongs
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Are we getting tropes and cliches/sterotypes mixed up here? Tropes are just patterns that come up in stories cause there are only so many ways to do things, especially if you apply reductionism to them. Its also very easy to throw out the lazy criticism, so easy its basically worthless. I'm not even sure most harmful tropes are done due to laziness. I think cultural ingraining and familiarity or much bigger problems than laziness.
Yeahhhh...
I don't know about that. She'll probably never go a moment in her life without feeling watched by hate filled people. This is her reality now. I wouldn't want to deal with that if you paid me.
Part and parcel of being noteworthy on the Internet, she decided to step into the spotlight. Either way those threats as always turn out to be hot air - I don't remember hearing any of the mass murderers in the last couple of years announce they were doing so.
Holy shit I remember that video with all the skulls. What was it called?
Uhhh...
Almost all the younger killers in recent history preach out a huge warning to the world before they do it. Older killers don't give warnings though. Young people at least give others a chance to take them seriously or fix the problem before they act on their feelings. :\
As of recently, twitter and youtube have had murderers give warnings before shooting people.
Eliot Rodger did pretty much. Made a bunch of creepy youtube videos shortly before hand.
Trickster
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Given the people making them, yeah, I would be laughing at it.
Had it been nutjob islamists I had offended and gotten the attention of, I would not find it funny.
But having gamers be angry at me and type the same shit as is said in your average moba match wouldn't exactly send shivers down my spine :|
HP_Wuvcraft
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You sound exactly like Total Biscuit right now.
What if they knew where you lived and got access to all of your security/financial information. Or if they knew where you were going to speak publicly.
Think a bit harder about what you're saying.
HP_Wuvcraft
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I have no idea what you are saying here, because humans have been killing other humans since the beginning of time.
Technically we werent around at the beginning of time but if we had been we'd probably be killing.
The worst thing Anita could do is stop voicing her opinion and gaining national attention. It's definitely time for feminism to have a stronger voice in our national vocabulary, especially on media like video games, movies, and music.
I'm very happy that FF has taken off like it has and I'm excited to see more of Anita's videos. Yes, of course they're nothing "new," (not much can be these days), but they have done more informing than most any previous feminist writer. In that sense, this is certainly new... and new for a lot of people.
As far as her revealing where her money is going, I'm glad she's done it, but she has seemed passionate and dedicated to her subject material in the past, and I've never been worried about where the money went.
Best of luck to her and her growing team. Let's hope that we can learn to accept her presence and treat her as a legitimate voice in gaming. There is room to disagree, but there should be space for perspective and the broader conversation Anita provides.
I'm very happy that FF has taken off like it has and I'm excited to see more of Anita's videos. Yes, of course they're nothing "new," (not much can be these days), but they have done more informing than most any previous feminist writer. In that sense, this is certainly new... and new for a lot of people.
As far as her revealing where her money is going, I'm glad she's done it, but she has seemed passionate and dedicated to her subject material in the past, and I've never been worried about where the money went.
Best of luck to her and her growing team. Let's hope that we can learn to accept her presence and treat her as a legitimate voice in gaming. There is room to disagree, but there should be space for perspective and the broader conversation Anita provides.
You dont laugh at death threats. But everybody gets them when they are famous. Wether you are a twitch streamer, Youtuber, Twitter Personallity, Public Speaker, anything. If people know you, they will probably try to scare you and shut you up. People send actual swat teams to other people houses just for the "lulz". So yeah saying "I will kill you" is "just" a threat until it's founded. None of the threats she received were found to be real ones by the cops or security.
Take threats seriously and sue the guys doing them, but if they are false threats, then it's just doing what people want you to do. And if you dont have the guts to pass through false threats a random person on the internet make, then maybe you should not be a public speaker. Just because somebody say "I will fucking kill you" does not mean he will do it for real. People lie and extrapolate. We have cops investigating stuff like that all the time, and yeah, if it's a real one, dont go.
The Technomancer
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From the outside looking in all of this looks insane though. The rest of the world beyond the internet subculture bubble doesn't take death threats as "just background noise" and its kind of fucked that a lot of us have gotten to the state where we do
smokeandmirrors
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oh my god this is amazing
It's not that weird really. Go to any event where there is a mob mentality, people will scream death threats to the person they are going after. Sports fans, political figures, singers, dancers.
Add to that people sending false bomb, false poison envelopes to celebrities, and it's not that weird. The internet is not weirder than the real world, it's just that people are always wearing a hooded mask and hiding behind a crowd of invisible people. So yeah they will do what people do in a mob. Go over the top. Will so go over over the top? Yeah. Just look at holligans, nearly ,and sometime actually, killing people just for a soccer match.
Hockey fans burning a whole city because they WON is weirder to me than random people trying to ruin the day of a Ecelebrity.
Messofanego
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I can assure you in 30 days you will definitely receive $50 if you go for like $1 goal. That's all free money. Actually 5% of it will be KS fees. So it's more $47.50.
The extreme casual nature in which this is written is amazing.
"yeah, guys... a threat isn't real until it's founded. How do you know it's real? Well, then it will actually happen, duh! And if you can't handle the pressure, then gtfo."
Shouldn't there be some statement of "death threats, even on the internet, are horrendous acts of violence in and of themselves. They cause harm to the target and should be condemned, even if you are a public figure."
Trickster
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Why would I care that they know where I would speak publically? Gamers are never gonna actually do anything. Calling in a fake bomb threat a perfect example of that. That's litterally all that the wannabe e-thug could bother doing. Make a phonecall and tell an empty lie.
I feel we'd have to completely ignore the type of people making the threats, in order to think that low level internet scumbags are gonna go from typing mean shit over the internet, to actually hunting down a person in real life, for the express purpose of physically assault that person for having an oppinion they don't like.
Thought the post was pretty clear. I'll try again I guess.
*ahem*
I would not be scared if gamers said they wanted to kill me. But I would probably be scared if islamic fanatics said they would come and kill me. Because the islamic fanatics would probably fucking do it.
HAHAHA you go ahead and take that gamble.
CambriaRising
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You're incredibly naive and frankly a little disgusting for trying to trivialize hundreds upon thousands of death/rape threats just because no one has acted on them yet.
The woman was forced from her home more than once over this shit, and has had her financial information and social security number published in the Internet by these scumbags. Have a little class.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Except for the case where a guy did, you know, go to a girl's work with a knife.
Regardless of what you think the actual context is or not, are you honestly saying it is her fault for speaking out against this crap and/or responding to it in any form?
Shake Appeal
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Love Anita. Keep doing you. Where can I send a check?
charlequin
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Based on second-hand experience, there's a lot of people who laugh at this initially... until it becomes clear that they can't ever turn on Twitter notifications, let anything post publicly to their Facebook, leave their phone ringer on at night, work someplace or attend an event where their presence is publicly acknowledged, etc. etc. etc. because of the endless torrent of hatred and abuse.
"Well, we didn't think anything happen" would be a pretty freaking terrible excuse for a security/police team to give out in the event that something did happen. Unfortunately, it is also why SWATting will still be somewhat effective. "We thought it was a false threat" isn't going to mean much to the victim or the victim's family.
No. You know it's a real threat when you actually have evidence or suspicion that it might be. If a guy says in the streets "I'll kill you motherfucker" while walking away, just because you accidentally bumped into him, you will not call the police and say that somebody want to kill you. If he comes to your house and say that, then yeah, call the cops and arrest him.
I never said that I like death threats, nobody like death threats. But that does not mean that they are real threats. Just because a random, anonymous person on the internet says something, does not mean it's real.
This remind me of a guy who spent 7 month in jail because he said in League of Legend, as a joke, "Oh yeah I'm real crazy, I will go shoot a school of children, Lol". A canadian women saw it, called the cops and the kid spent 7 month in jail for a sarcastic joke he made while playing video games.
So yeah, death threats sucks, but we didnt care that much when every single public figure out there got them all the time, why would I start caring when it's an another one? If she get real threats, with foundation and some real possibility of harm being done, then I will walk right behind you to denounce the person who did it. Because that's terrorism. Until then, no I will not really care that a public speaker get mean comments about her, when every single person who make any type of content, including me, gets them on a regular or semi regular basis. Talk to any celebrity online, they will tell you they get death threats. Hell, the admin of Neogaf probably get some in his email from angry people all the time. I saw them on youtube pretty often.
Really now? Can you give me a list of youtubers who had bomb threats called in on then when they went somewhere for a public speaking gig?
Trickster
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That's not what I'm saying at all, point me to where I said that.
jim-jam bongs
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HP_Wuvcraft
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I also love how everyone just brushes this shit off as "mean comments on the internet".
When we're talking about people being teased about their dog dying and shit.
A long time ago at a comic book store, my friend was being harassed by a dude that couldn't accept that girls read comics. It got to the level where he brought up rape, and how women "should just take it" if the guy has a gun. My friend asked him "so you're telling me that you would rush the guy even if he had a gun?". The man responded with "Yes".
When we're talking about people being teased about their dog dying and shit.
A long time ago at a comic book store, my friend was being harassed by a dude that couldn't accept that girls read comics. It got to the level where he brought up rape, and how women "should just take it" if the guy has a gun. My friend asked him "so you're telling me that you would rush the guy even if he had a gun?". The man responded with "Yes".
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Every man, woman and child is capable of hatred, murder and terrorism. Not just the evil Islamic terrorists you see on TV. Let that sink in.
charlequin
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So by asking for $6,000 to make a video series targeted at young women and budding feminists who enjoy videogames, she asked to be put in the "spotlight" of 3+ years of unhinged, abusive threats to her and her family? Get the fuck out.
Actual misogynist violence is something no demographic of men is above. Elliot Rodger and David Kalac both fit that profile you're dismissing as harmless.
Lets Plays are derivative works of the original game. I double checked and it appears she doesn't use any of what would be owned by the LPer - their voiceovers.
The blanket fair use disclaimer is standard procedure in any situations like this, because a) it's literally the definition of using something under fair use and b) explicit credits are usually avoided since it can give the appearance of the original author explicitly endorsing your work.
NOLO
It also makes sense as researching some games via watching Lets Plays will be faster and more useful of your time than learning every single game from scratch. The series is critiquing the game's usage of characters, not frame inputs or difficulty levels.
Winterfang
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Wait 6,000$. That was the goal?, seems so little.
Pretty difficult to search for that, but I can name celebrities who got death threats and still went to the concert. Pretty much all of them I would say, but Marylin Manson often got death and bomb threats before his concerts and he always went and did the concert.
I know that Laci Green from Sex + do Motivational Speaking and she did get a lot of death threats from the LGBT community because she used the word tranny back in 2009.
Those concerts also had security that would help protect the performer.
"I don't understand why white nationalists like my videos so much"
At the place where she canceled, they allowed open carry. So if there was a mass shooting there wouldn't be any security to prevent someone with a gun from coming in.
So I guess it's a bit different.
Trickster
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...I can't tell if your being purposefully obtuse or not. You think I don't know/understand that everyone has the potential to do bad shit? I perfectly understand that. So what? doesn't change the fact that there are some groups of people I would not be scared to piss off, and other groups of people I would be fucking petrified of pissing off.
charlequin
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You are comparing one thing (celebrities who sometimes get an occasional death threat) to another pretty different one (people who didn't choose to be celebrities who have every communication method to them and their family members flooded with threats every day, indefinitely) while ignoring the facts about both that are inconvenient to your argument (like the fact that celebrities generally take these things very seriously when there's even one of them.)
What Marilyn Manson does when one person calls in a threat to a concert venue is completely and entirely irrelevant to the discussion we're having here.
Cant you open carry in outdoor concerts in the USA? And she did have security, but the hotel didnt want to "increase" the security because the threats was found by the police to be without grounds.
It's entirely different. Concerts for targetable people have metal detectors and actual checks for guns. Someone would have been enabled to walk right up to the stage Anita was on and shoot at her.
Or hey, maybe we should ask Dimebag Darrell about how nobody follows through.
No, and no, they were legally prohibited from taking anyone's guns away.
charlequin
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That is not accurate. The school shared the threat with local and federal authorities and never gave any indication they considered it unworthy of concern. Both the school and the police noted that Utah state law would prohibit any of the specific security measures Anita requested, which is why she ultimately canceled the appearance.
Trickster
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No I'm not sure. I mean it's not really possible to be sure about most things really.
I mean, I could drive to school on monday and die in a carcrash. Does that possibility make me scared of driving to school on monday? Nah mate.
VibratingDonkey
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I don't think you're quite grasping the reality of the situation for those in her position.
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