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[The Smoking Bun]

On one hand I find Anita's commentaries rather unfair to certain franchises, especially Nintendo one's. On the other hand this tweets are abhorrent and clearly show how immature these people are, desperately clinging on to that last thing in their lives that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the adults divorcee's or one's with troubled marriages. Will any of this have a results though? Anita will keep making video's, gamer's will keep on-hating but will the Games Industry try changing or will they be laughing all the way to the bank as usual? Id anybody listening to the core points being made beneath the bullshit?

 

[Sober]

And I'm at, and I feel like the not-so-vocal majority is at

"This actually seem like issues that have gone over my head in the past that I'd like to learn more about, but I'd like to hear multiple less extreme perspectives on the subject."

And I truly feel like Anita has the influence and popularity to draw these people in by opening up a bit more with her content.

I like that Anita brings up these subjects, and I like that she's continuing despite everything that comes her way. I don't hate her, but I don't like how there's a community of people that aren't crazy who want to learn more who aren't extremists or well versed in the subject. I'm unhappy with her because she's failing to educate a lot of people because she isn't willing to have a discussions or talk about other reasonable perspectives on the matters she goes over.

To me it seems like she's only trying to service the people who already are on her side and agree with her views rather then inform people who want to learn more about the subject which makes me dislike her content, and I suppose this has left me with a sour opinion of her as well.

You are going to have to be more specific about exactly what you see in Anita's videos that seem "extreme", exactly. Most of her stuff she presents in her videos doesn't really go past undergraduate level critique and analysis, probably to make digestible to a larger audience.

The fact that people seem to miss. She's critiquing media and looking at how it reflects on our society's values. Criticism and analysis of media is like this. Feminist critique simply takes into account a specific set of values. I don't see how anything in TvW is really considered extreme, unless you count "reaching" for certain interpretations "devoid of context" extreme, because that's what I hear all the time, and it's at best a handful of examples against the backdrop of many that aren't.

On one hand I find Anita's commentaries rather unfair to certain franchises, especially Nintendo one's. On the other hand this tweets are abhorrent and clearly show how immature these people are, desperately clinging on to that last thing in their lives that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the adults divorcee's or one's with troubled marriages. Will any of this have a results though? Anita will keep making video's, gamer's will keep on-hating but will the Games Industry try changing or will they be laughing all the way to the bank as usual? Id anybody listening to the core points being made beneath the bullshit?

What exactly is 'unfair' in her analyses pertaining to Nintendo's games? Be specific here. If anything, it might be more damning considering everyone (and Nintendo included) thinks they target a younger audience specificaly; that she sees worth critiquing in Nintendo titles because perhaps that means these specific social values are being reinforced to gamers at a younger age?

 

[CambriaRising]

Age is just a number, these people are teens in their heads not in their bodies, some people grow out of it, some don't.

That's not true either. Some of these people are seemingly normal adults until they get in front of a computer.

On one hand I find Anita's commentaries rather unfair to certain franchises, especially Nintendo one's. On the other hand this tweets are abhorrent and clearly show how immature these people are, desperately clinging on to that last thing in their lives that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the adults divorcee's or one's with troubled marriages. Will any of this have a results though? Anita will keep making video's, gamer's will keep on-hating but will the Games Industry try changing or will they be laughing all the way to the bank as usual? Id anybody listening to the core points being made beneath the bullshit?

Plenty of developers are listening. We have already seen some positive examples.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Whelp this is just sad to see, can't believe people post shit like this

 

[DSN2K]

"these must be 12 years old", "teens", "kids", "preteens" comments always show a severe lack of life experience.

or you don't understand the context ? Anyone who threatens rape on twitter is a child regardless of physical age.

 

[Myggen]

NOBODY.

I really wonder what possesses people to post stuff like this, often under their own names. Twitter is supposed to be used for good, not evil!

I've always been fascinated by how so many people can post such ugly, ugly shit under their own full name. I remember a few overtly racist Facebook groups here in Norway that had 5k+ members, most of them seemingly posting from their own Facebook account, and posting the most vile shit you can think of. Like, what goes through your head? Most of the people I've seen who have done that have been 20+, so is it just a lack of understanding about how social media works, or do they simply not give a fuck?

As for this, anyone who's been following GG closely know what kind of shit Anita and others have to put up with daily. For as disgusting as this is, it doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Plenty of developers are listening. We have already seen some positive examples.

I know she's been called to give talks at Bungie, EA, and whatnot and that's great but what do you mean by "already seen some positive examples?" Isn't it too early to talk about positive examples bearing fruit from this whole Gamergate fiasco?

Could you specify what are these positive examples you mentioned? I'm genuinely intrigued.

 

[Android18a]

Some people are so pathetic. What possible good could ever come from telling someone to kill themselves, or get cancer, or just plain insulting them? This is awful. It's scary that people behave like this online.

Is this hate and spite simmering just below the surface on people you see every day in the street and at work/school? What happened to "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"?

 

[Sober]

I know she's been called to give talks at Bungie, EA, and whatnot and that's great but what do you mean by "already seen some positive examples?" Isn't it too early to talk about positive examples bearing fruit from this whole Gamergate fiasco?

Could you specify what are these positive examples you mentioned? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Druckmann and Schaefer specifically said they took a lot of her criticisms to heart. I'm sure others have, but with how large projects games are, you probably won't see tangible results in the A to AAA section of games until the coming years or later. Indie games might be able to steer the ship around with better turnaround time.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Pfffff....

Sorry, I wish had something profound or interesting to say but I don't so I'll just say this: Fuck.This.Shit.
What is wrong with those people.

 

[B-Genius]

Word.

You wanna see extreme? Go watch any Thunderf00t video where he talks about Anita. That's extreme.

Her videos are so harmless it's not even funny. The hate and threats began months before she had released her very first Tropes Vs Women in Videogames video! How can you say she's an extreme when the harassment started before she had a chance to explain her arguments?!

The only reason she has such a high profile now was because those haters trying to silence her. And the orbit of it all apparently escapes them.

See, it's fine to criticise the content she puts out. She is critical of games and others are allowed to be critical of her analysis, no matter how basic it's intended to be.

But internet scumbags aside, Thunderf00t is just a knob-end. He comes across as such a pompous clown when it comes to this stuff, and it feels like he's using criticism of her to fuel his own fanbase and satisfy his presence as "game wiseman". I don't agree entirely with everything Sarkeesian says, but Thunderf00t almost makes me feel more apologetic, because he's regarded so highly in the game commentary/Youtube community. No one will give Twitter idiots the light of day, but this guy has some clout and it's annoying to see him abuse it.

Also, his voice reminds me of Brian Butterfield. I just can't take him seriously.

 

[CambriaRising]

I know she's been called to give talks at Bungie, EA, and whatnot and that's great but what do you mean by "already seen some positive examples?" Isn't it too early to talk about positive examples bearing fruit from this whole Gamergate fiasco?

Could you specify what are these positive examples you mentioned? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Well I suppose the largest example is The Last of Us. Druckmann was influanced by Anita's videos to help shape his female characters, especially Ellie and Riley in Left Behind

http://www.wired.com/2014/02/last-of-us-dlc-interview/

 

[Caronte]

This is fucking disgusting.

 

[redcrayon]

What a disgusting shamble of illiterate tools, it made me feel physically sick just reading it. Congratulations, kiddies.

Complete lack of imagination too. I'm not convinced it's just the lack of characters available on twitter that makes the most common themes 'I'll rape/kill you'! Then again coherence doesn't seem to be their strong suit.

There are a couple of Anita's points I disagree with, but then there are people I regularly disagree with in real life too. Funnily enough I manage to get through the day conceding a point here, making a point there. You'd think these idiot's way of life was at risk or something. Amazing how communities who deal with very real dangers every day manage to react with infinitely more dignity than this pack of charmers angry about some short videos (out of millions) on youtube about computer games.

I hope someday some of them, on the off chance they ever experience any sense of empathy with the opposite sex, look back in utter embarrassment at what they did over something so trivial. It's like a competition to be the most disgusting human on the internet in the shortest amount of characters.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Druckmann and Schaefer specifically said they took a lot of her criticisms to heart. I'm sure others have, but with how large projects games are, you probably won't see tangible results in the A to AAA section of games until the coming years or later. Indie games might be able to steer the ship around with better turnaround time.

That's what I was talking about in that tangible results won't be seen until the coming years.

I am aware of what Druckmann and Schaefer have said about Anita. Funny things is I don't recall Anita criticizing any game these two have worked on. I may have missed one or two in her videos but at least not much. These two guys I don't think really needed Anita's videos to open their eyes. But it's still a good thing they said it.

 

[MrSaturn99]

I feel ill.

 

[Brakke]

That's what I was talking about in that tangible results won't be seen until the coming years.

I am aware of what Druckmann and Schaefer have said about Anita. Funny things is I don't recall Anita criticizing any game these two have worked on. I may have missed one or two in her videos but at least not much. These two guys I don't think really needed Anita's videos to open their eyes. But it's still a good thing they said it.

That's why criticism is valuable: she's not proposing a schema for fixing specific games she's proposing a framework for approach games generally. It's easy to adopt her approach and apply it to most any game.

Druckmann literally credited her with helping him write a stronger story; I'm more inclined to believe his report of his experience than your speculation about it.

 

[wildfire]

So why is she on Twitter if she gets so much hate? Sounds like she wants to make some cash with this.

Wow. I get it when someone posts with an obvious one off account but to see some people still inadvertently committing account suicide on their main accounts just goes to show how entrenched the negativity is among some of these losers.

I bet you're fuming over getting your account banned, probably permanently. Get over yourself and learn to question people's motives without trying to state them as fact.

 

[oni-link]

These truly are the worst people in the world, I understand some people take issue with some of the examples she uses in her videos in terms of context (personally, I don't and feel like her videos do a good job of what they're set out to do)

But it blows my mind the level of hate directed at her, I don't think I'd be able to stomach that on such a consistent basis

 

[HappehLemons]

You are going to have to be more specific about exactly what you see in Anita's videos that seem "extreme", exactly. Most of her stuff she presents in her videos doesn't really go past undergraduate level critique and analysis, probably to make digestible to a larger audience.

How is she considered extreme? I dont understand what your definition of "extreme" is.

I've watched her videos and she's doing nothing but offering a feminist and female perspective on the "tropes" in video games.

All I see is her explaining the trope, and talking about why it's overused/cliche/harmful/unncessasary

It's about as basic as you can get.

After this post I'm going to stop discussing this, only because I don't want one misinterpreted or misused word of mine to undermine a topic that I'm trying to learn more about, or for it to blow up into something it isn't. Also this doesn't seem like the place for me to learn more about the issues she brings up.

Extreme in the sense that her perspective is radically different from what seems to be the majority, and that she presents for the most part unspoken issues and difficult to hear issues for what seems like a lot of people. Not that she is insane or crazy. I consider to unwaveringly taking a side on a issue and make 20 videos about said issue to be extreme.

For example, I would consider myself and extreme gamer because in my free time I create youtube videos about various game topics. Does this make me crazy or insane? No, just very passionate about a subject.

Also I don't think that people that normally hate on her are extreme and I wouldn't call them that even though you may. I think they are for the most part actually insane, and I would refer to them as such.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Well I suppose the largest example is The Last of Us. Druckmann was influanced by Anita's videos to help shape his female characters, especially Ellie and Riley in Left Behind

http://www.wired.com/2014/02/last-of-us-dlc-interview/

Wow. He even mentioned Anita fully and all. Great!

 

[RionaaM]

Anita truly is a strong person for dealing with this shit and not giving up. I hope this is all worth it in the end, but it seems hard to imagine so when she's being attacked like this, and receiving threats whenever she is about to speak in public.

It's sad how awful some people can be.

 

[J10]

And this is why identifying as a gamer will forever be embarrassing. Not because it's nerdy. Because this is the company we keep.

 

[LAA]

Yeah pretty disgusting comments really, have respect for her dealing with them and good on her name and shaming. As others have said, probably 12 year olds...at least I hope so.

Can't say I really know what she does to trigger this...from what I understand, she just wants to explore roles of females in games? I don't know why people feel threatened enough by that to feel they need to dish out all this hate. I don't think she's saying women shouldn't be harmed or etc. ever in games? She said TLOU was one of her favourite games I think, and that's all about Ellies journey through some nasty stuff.

Not sure if she's a feminist or anything though. Not even sure how to define one to be honest, but I feel an extremist in any area probably isn't good

 

[Alex_Mexico]

After this post I'm going to stop discussing this, only because I don't want one misinterpreted or misused word of mine to undermine a topic that I'm trying to learn more about, or for it to blow up into something it isn't. Also this doesn't seem like the place for me to learn more about the issues she brings up.

Extreme in the sense that her perspective is radically different from what seems to be the majority, and that she presents for the most part unspoken issues and difficult to hear issues for what seems like a lot of people. Not that she is insane or crazy. I consider to unwaveringly taking a side on a issue and make 20 videos about said issue to be extreme.

For example, I would consider myself and extreme gamer because in my free time I create youtube videos about various game topics. Does this make me crazy or insane? No, just very passionate about a subject.

Also I don't think that people that normally hate on her are extreme and I wouldn't call them that even though you may. I think they are for the most part actually insane, and I would refer to them as such.

You know, at some point people like Martin Luther King was also critized for exposing his perspective that at one time was not shared with the "vast majority". To say he got hate and death threats thrown at him because of this would be the understatement of the year.

What today is the vast majority could tomorrow be the minority. Time goes on. People change. So does minds.

 

[The Smoking Bun]

What exactly is 'unfair' in her analyses pertaining to Nintendo's games? Be specific here. If anything, it might be more damning considering everyone (and Nintendo included) thinks they target a younger audience specificaly; that she sees worth critiquing in Nintendo titles because perhaps that means these specific social values are being reinforced to gamers at a younger age?

Well for one Anita claims Super Princess Peach made PMS into a game-play mechanic which I feel is a ridiculous claim because Nintendo is a company that plays it too safe top the point of being bland. Nintendo seems to have old school philosophies regarding their characters. Their is zero sexuality in their games and all their characters are classical heroes doing good to save the fair maiden like it was a King Arthur story. Peach is not a physical fighter despite what Super Smash Brother's would have you believe. So Nintendo made a rather innocently girly game where she uses her emotions and frying pan's to fight. It's very 60's Americana that way. Their is no malice or hate involved, Miyamato is not a misogynist.

It's something Disney would make and fighting doesn't always have to be about guns and gore. They also do strong female characters like Midna and Samus, any serialization of Samus (which is minor apart from Other M) is more of a cultural thing rather than the designer oppressing her or some such. Not to mention Hyrule Warriors is jokingly called Link and his Harem for a reason, most of the characters are female and physical fighter's to boot.

 

[oni-link]

After this post I'm going to stop discussing this, only because I don't want one misinterpreted or misused word of mine to undermine a topic that I'm trying to learn more about, or for it to blow up into something it isn't. Also this doesn't seem like the place for me to learn more about the issues she brings up.

Extreme in the sense that her perspective is radically different from what seems to be the majority, and that she presents for the most part unspoken issues and difficult to hear issues for what seems like a lot of people. Not that she is insane or crazy. I consider to unwaveringly taking a side on a issue and make 20 videos about said issue to be extreme.

For example, I would consider myself and extreme gamer because in my free time I create youtube videos about various game topics. Does this make me crazy or insane? No, just very passionate about a subject.

Also I don't think that people that normally hate on her are extreme and I wouldn't call them that even though you may. I think they are for the most part actually insane, and I would refer to them as such.

No idea why she is constantly called an extremest for making videos that are designed to look into something

If someone made a 20 part series on the history of JRPGs no one would call them an extremist

Her views are not even extreme, she's using examples to point out things in gaming a lot of people may gloss over because of how often they are seen, and saying some of them could maybe be done differently or better in future

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Well for one Anita claims Super Princess Peach made PMS into a game-play mechanic which I feel is a ridiculous claim because Nintendo is a company that plays it too safe top the point of being bland. Nintendo seems to have old school philosophies regarding their characters. Their is zero sexuality in their games and all their characters are classical heroes doing good to save the fair maiden like it was a King Arthur story. Peach is not a physical fighter despite what Super Smash Brother's would have you believe. So Nintendo made a rather innocently girly game where she uses her emotions and frying pan's to fight. It's very 60's Americana that way. Their is no malice or hate involved, Miyamato is not a misogynist.

It's something Disney would make and fighting doesn't always have to be about guns and gore. They also do strong female characters like Midna and Samus, any serialization of Samus (which is minor apart from Other M) is more of a cultural thing rather than the designer oppressing her or some such. Not to mention Hyrule Warriors is jokingly called Link and his Harem for a reason, most of the characters are female and physical fighter's to boot.

Well somebody took that part way waaay too literally, didn't you?

 

[joe2187]

. Their is no malice or hate involved, Miyamato is not a misogynist.
.

Yeah see, Anita never said anything like that at all in any of her videos.

The rest of your post describes why these videos are necessary, from your point of view you can see nothing more than an innocent harmless game, which it is. That doesnt mean it cant have themes and subjects that arent favorable towards women.

 

[Taz]

Welcome to free speech and social networking, enjoy your stay.


Disgusting.

 

[LAA]

No idea why she is constantly called an extremest for making videos that are designed to look into something

If someone made a 20 part series on the history of JRPGs no one would call them an extremist

Her views are not even extreme, she's using examples to point out things in gaming a lot of people may gloss over because of how often they are seen, and saying some of them could maybe be done differently or better in future

I think it depends how you define extremist. If she's a feminist, I would think that makes her an extremist based on the "ist" simply. As I said, not quite sure what I'd expect from an feminist to be honest, but I presume they'd be pro-women to the point nothing bad should ever happen to them.
From what I've seen (which isn't very much), she doesn't really seem to say a lot that is like blindingly, overwhelmingly on the female's side. Really just looking into issues and/or potential issues surrounding women in gaming. Don't see anything wrong with that and don't know how it justifies comments outlined in the OP. So, I'm not really sure if she's a feminist or an extremist really. I don't know any examples to prove that.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

"these must be 12 years old", "teens", "kids", "preteens" comments always show a severe lack of life experience.

how about 'ostensibly autistic and/or actually'

honestly, people must have learned to really effectively remove themselves from their internet personas if they actually have the capacity for empathy and understanding but fail to activate any sort of societal filter that tells them, 'hey, no, stop, that's not okay' once someone they've never met on the internet challenges their preexisting viewpoints in any meaningful way

 

[Burai]

I've always been fascinated by how so many people can post such ugly, ugly shit under their own full name. I remember a few overtly racist Facebook groups here in Norway that had 5k+ members, most of them seemingly posting from their own Facebook account, and posting the most vile shit you can think of. Like, what goes through your head? Most of the people I've seen who have done that have been 20+, so is it just a lack of understanding about how social media works, or do they simply not give a fuck?

As for this, anyone who's been following GG closely know what kind of shit Anita and others have to put up with daily. For as disgusting as this is, it doesn't surprise me at all.

Because they genuinely believe that they are victims. They operate in an echo chamber of similarly minded idiots where their abhorrent shit is taken as normal so it just snowballs and snowballs to the point where you're casually making death threats and tossing n-bombs in full view of the public who you believe must be on your side because it's you that's been wronged.

It's like that racists getting fired tumblr. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30854477

"I'm not going to sit here and deny that I didn't use the word," he said. "Because it's clear as day that I did use it."

"The fact that I was targeted specifically and individually really bothers me because I'm not the only person who has views in this aspect. It made me lose my job. I have a three-year-old kid that I'm trying to support … They're basing (their views of) a person off of one post instead of actually knowing the person," he said.

He just can't believe he's been fired because he thinks, genuinely, that wanting to hang the "nigger president" from his tree is perfectly normal because the echo chamber told him so... All those likes... All those comments... All those other people with the same views...

GameGaters are in the same boat. They think that these bitches are coming to take their games away and that casually threatening them with rape and murder is perfectly normal behaviour because everyone (in their little bubble) agrees with them.

 

[Caronte]

I'm also surprised at the amount of messages saying "death threats are part of online gaming, you should get used to it". What the fuck? I played Final Fantasy XI for years and never got even an insult. Games today must have horrible communities if that's the norm.

 

[oni-link]

Well for one Anita claims Super Princess Peach made PMS into a game-play mechanic which I feel is a ridiculous claim because Nintendo is a company that plays it too safe top the point of being bland.

Even when talking with people I agree with on a subject, I often agree with different points to varying degrees

She'll list 10 examples of a trope and someone will find one story related contextual reason for one of them maybe not being as strong as the others because of some lore only revealed in a spin off novel, and they'll scream like a banshee she doesn't know what she's talking about

You can zero in on one point she makes you find objectionable but anyone can see that her videos are a good place to start having a much needed debate, and like others have already said, the guys at Naughty Dog took influence from her when making TLoU

If anything we should question those who are strongly opposed to games being a more female friendly place, what exactly is their agenda?

 

[The Smoking Bun]

Yeah see, Anita never said anything like that at all in any of her videos.

The rest of your post describes why these videos are necessary, from your point of view you can see nothing more than an innocent harmless game, which it is. That doesnt mean it cant have themes and subjects that arent favorable towards women.

I never said Anita did. What I said was it she seemed a bit harsh. Then again, perhaps that is what we need and Nintendo probably needs to understand that their "folksy values" come off a bit offensive in this day and age. If you say the themes are unfavorable, does that mean we can't have "damsels" anymore? Must everyone be a hyper-competent badass? Conversely we need more male "damsels" to make it equal

Even when talking with people I agree with on a subject, I often agree with different points to varying degrees

She'll list 10 examples of a trope and someone will find one story related contextual reason for one of them maybe not being as strong as the others because of some lore only revealed in a spin off novel, and they'll scream like a banshee she doesn't know what she's talking about

You can zero in on one point she makes you find objectionable but anyone can see that her videos are a good place to start having a much needed debate, and like others have already said, the guys at Naughty Dog took influence from her when making TLoU

If anything we should question those who are strongly opposed to games being a more female friendly place, what exactly is their agenda?

Obviously, we could always use more Anita's. As for those opposed, no agenda. They are comically frightened of someone changing their precious video games. They are scared their hobby may have flaws.

 

[oni-link]

I think it depends how you define extremist. If she's a feminist, I would think that makes her an extremist based on the "ist" simply. As I said, not quite sure what I'd expect from an feminist to be honest, but I presume they'd be pro-women to the point nothing bad should ever happen to them.
From what I've seen (which isn't very much), she doesn't really seem to say a lot that is like blindingly, overwhelmingly on the female's side. Really just looking into issues and/or potential issues surrounding women in gaming. Don't see anything wrong with that and don't know how it justifies comments outlined in the OP. So, I'm not really sure if she's a feminist or an extremist really. I don't know any examples to prove that.

"Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

I'd say not wanting gender equality is more extremist

 

[a.wd]

Thats a lot of abuse, the thing is twitter can be used for great good (anything from Stephen Fry) or great evil (anything from anyone who simply uses it as a stream of unfiltered thought). I think the medium with twitter is part of the problem, if you are annoyed it is hard to express yourself in 140 characters, not excusing any of these dickwads, but if they had to think a little more would they be quite as nasty?

Probably, but I have to think humanity isn't actually this full of idiots.

 

[LAA]

"Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

I'd say not wanting gender equality is more extremist

OK right. Well nothing wrong with that then of course. Feminism is a little misleading of a word then. Makes me think extremist for females, but doesn't seem so if the definition is right, and as you say, I wouldn't think wanting equality is extremist.

Thats a lot of abuse, the thing is twitter can be used for great good (anything from Stephen Fry) or great evil (anything from anyone who simply uses it as a stream of unfiltered thought). I think the medium with twitter is part of the problem, if you are annoyed it is hard to express yourself in 140 characters, not excusing any of these dickwads, but if they had to think a little more would they be quite as nasty?

Probably, but I have to think humanity isn't actually this full of idiots.

Sadly I think it is full of idiots. At least full of ignorant people who don't know any better and/or don't have the means to know any better or simply don't fully understand what they're posting about (which still makes them an idiot for wanting to post hate like that in the first place) or simply don't care and just want to post hate for the hell of it.

One example I can think of on twitter who just shouldn't be allowed on it is WestBoroBaptist. All they seem to do is post hate. I don't know why they're allowed on there. Posting hate back at them seems to be just giving them attention so I think it'd be best to simply remove their voice from twitter.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

I think it depends how you define extremist. If she's a feminist, I would think that makes her an extremist based on the "ist" simply. As I said, not quite sure what I'd expect from an feminist to be honest, but I presume they'd be pro-women to the point nothing bad should ever happen to them.

That's not what feminism is at all.

Well, I mean, there's a very small radical fringe that might fit that description, but "feminism" as a movement is primarily about equal rights for women and the penumbra of various issues that implies.

On the subject of Anita, what she's doing is really basic, Feminism 101-style media criticism. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't be out of place in an intro-level Women's Studies class. That makes the sheer vitriol she seems to inspire seem all the more bizarre.

EDIT: Ah, too late. Well, yeah, what they said. Just be aware that "Feminism" is an extremely broad descriptor and encompasses a wide variety of different concerns and priorities. "Equal rights for women" is pretty much the central unifying factor.

 

[wildfire]

Well for one Anita claims Super Princess Peach made PMS into a game-play mechanic which I feel is a ridiculous claim because Nintendo is a company that plays it too safe top the point of being bland.

Are you saying Nintendo has never made risky games? (and by risky we are talking about something that would obviously offend people) I hope not since that is patently false.

 

[The Smoking Bun]

Are you saying Nintendo has never made risky games? I hope not since that is patently false.

Safe in terms of content. In terms of gameplay, they are all about unique ideas.

This type of defensiveness to your favorite games is a slippery slope. It's a good example of how the current situation with Anita got so far out of hand.

The people that have become the most critical of anita cannot simply handle any sort of critiscisms towards some of their most treasured games and lash out. She states in the openings of her videos that



Not saying anything bad about you, just making an observation.

Point noted. I'm like a vampire trying to be good. Slay me if I ever fall to the GamerGate side.

 

[joe2187]

I never said Anita did. What I said was it she seemed a bit harsh.
Then again, perhaps that is what we need and Nintendo probably needs to understand that their "folksy values" come off a bit offensive in this day and age. If you say the themes are unfavorable, does that mean we can't have "damsels" anymore? Must everyone be a hyper-competent badass? Conversely we need more male "damsels" to make it equal

This type of defensiveness to your favorite games is a slippery slope. It's a good example of how the current situation with Anita got so far out of hand.

The people that have become the most critical of anita cannot simply handle any sort of critiscisms towards some of their most treasured games and lash out. She states in the openings of her videos that

but remember that it is both possible (and even necessary) to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of it's more problematic or pernicious aspects

Not saying anything bad about you, just making an observation.

 

[Myggen]

Because they genuinely believe that they are victims. They operate in an echo chamber of similarly minded idiots where their abhorrent shit is taken as normal so it just snowballs and snowballs to the point where you're casually making death threats and tossing n-bombs in full view of the public who you believe must be on your side because it's you that's been wronged.

It's like that racists getting fired tumblr. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30854477

He just can't believe he's been fired because he thinks, genuinely, that wanting to hang the "nigger president" from his tree is perfectly normal because the echo chamber told him so... All those likes... All those comments... All those other people with the same views...

GameGaters are in the same boat. They think that these bitches are coming to take their games away and that casually threatening them with rape and murder is perfectly normal behaviour because everyone (in their little bubble) agrees with them.

Yeah, that's probably it. That's what makes it so funny when Gators on KotakuInAction and 8chan accuse "the other side" of being an echo chamber, of being a "cult". And the top voted response to this being posted on KiA was that only one person used the #gamergate hashtag, so what does it have to do with GG? Nevermind that people who go to such lengths to harass someone who critiques video games from a feminist perspective will by default be either a part of or sympathetic to GG.

 

[Tuffty]

The crux of the problem for a lot of these people seems to be the complete denial of the concept that women have a worse time of it online. It leads me to assume that the ones complaining the loudest are also the ones most guilty of the worst conduct.

 

[LAA]

That's not what feminism is at all.

Well, I mean, there's a very small radical fringe that might fit that description, but "feminism" as a movement is primarily about equal rights for women and the penumbra of various issues that implies.

On the subject of Anita, what she's doing is really basic, Feminism 101-style media criticism. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't be out of place in an intro-level Women's Studies class. That makes the sheer vitriol she seems to inspire seem all the more bizarre.

EDIT: Ah, too late. Well, yeah, what they said. Just be aware that "Feminism" is an extremely broad descriptor and encompasses a wide variety of different concerns and priorities. "Equal rights for women" is pretty much the central unifying factor.

Right gotcha. Thanks for the lesson. I guess it's the "small radical fringe" like you say I'm not in support of then. Extremists at that level in general.

 

[NZerker12]

I admit, I haven't been keeping up with the whole gamergate thing, but

My God

What the hell is wrong with these people?

There just fucking video games. These people are acting like she killed their family members or something.

I know it is the internet but can't believe such disgusting and stupid comments are allowed to be said.

 

[SlipperyMoose]

I actually don't feel bad because these are just laughably stupid to me. I can see where people would take offense to these though.

 

[Prototype]

Holy shit.

I've been fairly critical of Sarkeesian in the past, but this is crazy.

Really makes me think that things do need to change in a big way. It doesn't matter who you are, reading messages like that every day isn't healthy it's got to be pretty hard to deal with. She must be pretty tough.

Can't believe people post things like that. Things they would never say to someone in person. Who raised these people /kids? Much of this, imo, is due to the anonymity of the Internet.

Twitter should take a more active approach. How can making death threats, spewing racist remarks, and claiming rape be ok and not violate done kind of TOS?

 

[ponpo]

I admit, I haven't been keeping up with the whole gamergate thing, but

My God

What the hell is wrong with these people?

There just fucking video games. These people are acting like she killed their family members or something.

I know it is the internet but can't believe such disgusting and stupid comments are allowed to be said.

I think you're overestimating how much effort or emotion is involved in tweeting an insult.