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Anita Sarkeesian shows what one week of harassment directed at her looks like
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Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
There has to be consequences to bad behavior. Much of the community refuses to apply any from within because they don't care, so they'll have to come from outside.
It really bothers you that people donated money to something you don't like, doesn't it
freethought
Member
At what point did I say my feelings were hurt? I said he made a good point and he didn't have to be so condescending,it didn't bother me much. If Anita did that maybe people wouldn't mess with her as much. My name is at the top of this post btw
Is it?
Zen_Arcade
Banned
You'd think, but the sad truth is that a lot of these people have at least their pictures to identify themselves on Twitter. I don't think a lot of these people care about anonymity.
hey_monkey
Banned
But how much less? There are plenty of people posting racist, homophobic, sexist, threatening content all the time on social media with what's ostensibly their real names attached. You might see more from anonymous accounts, but when so many people say things like, oh, I won't speak out because I don't want to be targeted, or oh, it's just the internet, bro, who cares? there's not much reason for anyone not to act like a complete fucking scrotum boil than general manners and good sense.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I disagree with probably about 80% of what anita says in her videos, but this shit, this shit is on a level absurd that as an onlooker approaches hilarity that is only stilted when realizing that the people that say it seriously mean this shit.
TheSlySoul
Member
Considering the stuff said on Facebook, I totally agree with you.
The idea is that you can say/do what you want on the internet without consequences.
Honestly I rather see harsher punishment for cyber crimes.
That explanation really didn't help your case.
That's total crazy bat shit insane. Which is par the course for the dregs of the internet.
On the upside, if she's got a thick enough skin, she can totally turn it in favour of her cause.
Of course that's not really adequate recompense for prolonged intense harassment from legions of mouth breathers.
Too bad they're not incorporated until the Gamergate corporation - because then you'd have an effective target to bring litigation against.
I wonder if there's a legal process for reverse class action... Probably better there isn't, given how badly that'd be abused by corporations. But in cases like this, it'd be quite a sweet tool.
On the upside, if she's got a thick enough skin, she can totally turn it in favour of her cause.
Of course that's not really adequate recompense for prolonged intense harassment from legions of mouth breathers.
Too bad they're not incorporated until the Gamergate corporation - because then you'd have an effective target to bring litigation against.
I wonder if there's a legal process for reverse class action... Probably better there isn't, given how badly that'd be abused by corporations. But in cases like this, it'd be quite a sweet tool.
So that is the distinction that makes this abuse okay?
GTABlueKid
Banned
After making several misguided posts that essentially amount to "The threats are unfortunate, but she brought it upon herself. Anita should know her place." it's a little rich seeing you get offended by anything Ami had to say. Now imagine if it wasn't just someone taking a few of your posts to task and responding the way he and others have, but instead threatening you.
Totally.
And just think - this is Neogaf. We're somewhat insulated from the worst of what the gaming community at large offers by virtue of a relatively progressive and generally strict but fair set of moderators (and ex mods. It's no wonder that much of the ignorant posts come from junior members. That's not a slight against juniors, but rather an acknowledgement that some of them come from communities that were more accepting of the kind of crap Anita and so many GG victims put up with. Hopefully some of those juniors stick around and reflect on their beliefs and end up changing for the better.
Whoah why do people keep throwing words in my mouth. I never said "she should know her place" Also, suggesting someone doesn't have to be condescending isn't me acting butt hurt lol. Just saying I can listen to someone without being talked down too, if he continued to act that way,screw it. I'm not crying about it.
When the money spent isn't particularity transparent, yes it does kinda bother me.
After making several misguided posts that essentially amount to "The threats are unfortunate, but she brought it upon herself. Anita should know her place." it's a little rich seeing you get offended by anything Ami had to say. Now imagine if it wasn't just someone taking a few of your posts to task and responding the way he and others have, but instead threatening you.
Totally.
And just think - this is Neogaf. We're somewhat insulated from the worst of what the gaming community at large offers by virtue of a relatively progressive and generally strict but fair set of moderators (and ex mods
Ageed. Mods are the reason why I joined NeoGAF last year. Most other forums are cesspools full of people that are proud of their aggressive ignorance.
But, I don't really understand WHY the rest of the gaming community is this bad. Or is it all feminists face this sort of vitriol?
hey_monkey
Banned
Mmmhmm. Clearly it will ruin all of gaming if we slap actual shirts on the wimmins.
She just posted a run-down of the distribution of donations FF has received. Or do you want the receipts for the groceries she has bought for the relatively small salary she has received?
And I wonder what your motivations are for being so incredibly critical and worried about this particular set of youtube videos. Surely a prominent figure who has received years and tons of terrorism and harassment and DDOS attacks shouldn't be a prioritized target for criticism, right?
hey_monkey
Banned
The gaming community can be pretty shitty, but also, yes, outspoken feminists tend to face a lot of vitriol. This, though, is pretty egregious, because she's a public figure threatening the general way of some things, I guess.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
GTABlueKid
Banned
Yeah it.....whoah.....whoaaaaah. IT'S NOT MY REAL NAME. It's different....I....I know that. Yea it sucks when people hate you and know your name I'm sure. I get you guys point and agree with you there.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, because the creators of every Kickstarter ever are completely transparent about how every dollar is spent. Excuse me while I collect my eyes; they rolled all the way out of my damn head.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Right, I agree, but my point is that you're not really giving any consequences out by just pointing out that these people are being shitty. They wanted people to see them being shitty in the first place. They weren't hiding the fact that they held these opinions, so trying to point them out as shameful is going to fall on deaf ears when talking to them.
It would be like trying to stop Hitler by showing him pictures of concentration camps and hoping that he finally realizes what he's doing is horrible. He knows about what his actions are doing, he's not going to suddenly feel bad about them because you pointed them out.
FF Seraphim
Member
Hmm I think the main issue then is making laws that stop threats on the internet. Not hate speech because I do not believe in censorship, but outright threats. Fines/Jail time or something for inciting violence/panic. We have it when people say it off the internet so why not while on the internet? Words are words right?
Of all the things to concern yourself with, your heart bleeds for the people who donated money? Have you heard any of these people complain? Demand transparency?
ScriptedReality
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Loud disgusting minority of gaming.
But tbh with anonymity.. People get to show their asses.
But tbh with anonymity.. People get to show their asses.
freethought
Member
Are you having a stroke?
dragonfart28
Banned
People on the Internet are assholes.
News at 11
News at 11
I think Facebook and Twitter prove that the anonymity aspect isn't really the most important factor in actions like these. You regularly have people say incredibly bone-headed or mean things with their name or face attached for all to see; I think it's much more about the immediacy, and the "this person angers me and I can respond directly" knee-jerk reaction. (Someone needs to modify the "Internet Dickwad Theory"?)
As for solutions, I don't see any internet where I want to remove the ability to be pseudonymous if I choose (and for the most part I don't.) I don't know if dealing with these sorts of things needs stronger tools provided by Twitter and other social media; I haven't see any specifics from Sarkeesian or others regarding what these platforms could do better in specifics. Anyone more in the know than me have links?
Well, being able to disagree with someone strongly and somehow not turn into a rage monster about it is a pretty positive trait that seems to be sorely lacking.
Surprisingly, people still *don't* seem to get that. I don't take threats I get seriously online, but even if you don't, simply managing and dealing with the amount of hate and noise Sarkeesian gets must be a huge drain on time.
We've had people on NeoGAF say things to the effect of they've never seen harassment like what's happened surrounding GamerGate. And these are internet-literate people who aren't aware this stuff happens all day, every day, in little ways and small ways, in places where feminism or gender politics or video games aren't involved.
Roll your eyes all you want, but please don't tell me including both wages and salaries isn't fishy. Why not include staff wages in a different section?
hey_monkey
Banned
I honestly do not give two fucks if she used the money to buy ten pairs of hoop earrings because I did not donate.
nrvalleytime
Member
Poor Anita, she must be crying all the time because of all of them threats!
What the heck is wrong with you.
I honestly don't know how you or anyone else even validates your thought-process based on the amount of money she's received. It's (1) donated and (2) already allocated to specific avenues dedicated to eliminating the kind of tolerated crap within the gaming industry and consumer-base.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Hire a P.I. and a tax guy to stake her out if it's that important
Your effort to invalidly criticize the financial transparency of a non-profit endeavour in a thread dealing with the ongoing terrorism of women in video games is clearly well placed and doesn't lack perspective at all.
She promised to deliver on a product and she did. That's all Kickstater is there for. She doesn't have to explain anything if she gives her backers what they want.
Haunted
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she gets hundreds every weeks, thousands of rape and death threats every month. Aside from the mental toll these threats would take on any sane person trying to live a life - it only takes one person who actually means this and is serious about it for it to be dangerous. You don't think all of these thousands of death threats are made in earnest and with actual intent, fair enough! But surely you can imagine a scenario in which there is one deranged individual willing to act on it among these thousands.
The only way I can stomach the lack of empathy people display in this thread is knowing that they won't be around GAF for too long. Thank the mods for that.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
It's terrifying that people who think and say things like this are literally everywhere among us. Sometimes I really do wonder if Internet anonymity does more harm than good.
What an embarrassing society we live in.
What an embarrassing society we live in.
Why do you keep focusing on money? What does this abuse have anything to do with her having "100K+". You swoop in and basically say 'it ain't that bad cause she's getting a bunch of money', and then continue discussing her kickstarter and money. What is your opinion on the content of the OP and on the constant abuse she receives?
internet anonymity doesn't matter. Just look at Facebook comments or Mike Krahulik.
GTABlueKid
Banned
Can you have a stroke and type that much?
hey_monkey
Banned
Bingo. If she posts a breakdown, that's her choice. She didn't have to. Sorry if it didn't meet some guy's standards.
SquirrelWide
Member
Just skipped to the end to say Anita has remarkably thick skin for putting up with this crap.
Palette Swap
Member
My point wasn't that you're some harrassment supporter or something.
My point is that faced with a blog post that describes a wall of hate, your reaction would be to make a snide comment about money. By most social norms, this is the kind of thing an adult wouldn't be expected to do outside the Internet. So if you feel empowered to do so on a heavily moderated environment like GAF, I absolutely believe people who would be seen as "normal" otherwise would display that kind of incredibly disconnected behavior on Twitter. Without being 12 year olds.
Your post was an example, not the point.
Karsticles
Member
Better to know a little rather than nothing.
Why? Are you going to raise them to be like this?
This sounds like victim blaming to me. Nice....
But clearly it isn't a 'non-profit endeavour' for the reasons stated. I also think the word you're looking for is terrorizing.
Why does it bother you? Did you donate money to her? Did she say during he kickstarter that she'll itemize everything she does with the money? Just be honest and say that you don't like her opinions instead of trying to find some bullshit excuse to criticize her. Her kickstarter was about making the videos. She delivered on that promise. Get over it.
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