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ARROW Season 3 |OT| Welcome to the New Age

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AdrianWerner said:
The protagonist of Books of Magic
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The comics are amazing. I'm actuall shocked that between all the DC shows in production nobody is trying to do Books of Magic.
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I bet if Constantine survives long enough, you're more likely to see him there than anywhere else.

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There's a storm coming, Mr. Plasticine. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought Black Canary wouldn't turn out to be a total baller. while the rest of cheer her on.

Now then.

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"We take Starling from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you... the people. Starling is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. The mayor give up! Would rather give up the Glades then fight. Start by storming Iron Heights, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For and army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great city... it will endure. Starling will survive!"
 
Just rewatched the processer scene. Nothing implies that she made it. Yeah he says the design is elegant but it doesn't equal him compliment her as if she made it. I honestly thing you guys are making this a bigger deal than what it is. Also lol at all the sudden Felicity hate, this is just getting ridiculous.
 
RellyRell28 said:
Just rewatched the processer scene. Nothing implies that she made it. Yeah he says the design is elegant but it doesn't equal him compliment her as if she made it. I honestly thing you guys are making this a bigger deal than what it is. Also lol at all the sudden Felicity hate, this is just getting ridiculous.
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I assumed what she gave him is reworked version of the original chip.
And yeah, people are crazy. There's nothing wrong with Felicity now. Comparing her to Laurel is silly when Laurel is bassicaly doing the worst thing anyone has ever done on this show to her father right now.
 
Honestly, at this point, I really want Ray and Felicity to start something. I feel like there's more "romantic" chemistry there than between Oliver and Felicity.

And I know I've railed on it being toxic and weird as fuck... but now I'm kinda interested in how they might do an endgame relationship with Canary and Arrow. Like... they are nowhere close to the people they were seven years ago, or even three years ago.

And Diggle will counsel all of them.
 
Well the official description for episode 14, The Return, is out now. Sounds like it will be one hell of an episode.

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.
 
I totally want Roy and Laurel to be besties which will be hard cause I think someone has to fucking tell Laurel that THEA MURDERED HER SISTER UNDER BRAINWASHED CONTROL BY MALCOLM FUCKING MERLYN.

WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL KEEPING SECRETS FROM ONE ANOTHER!? IT JUST CAUSES MORE PAIN AND CHAOS. OH MY GOD.

AdrianWerner said:
I assumed what she gave him is reworked version of the original chip.
And yeah, people are crazy. There's nothing wrong with Felicity now. Comparing her to Laurel is silly when Laurel is bassicaly doing the worst thing anyone has ever done on this show to her father right now.
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The entirety of Team Arrow is just awful in this regard for going along with this morbid charade.
 
FalconSabre said:
Well the official description for episode 14, The Return, is out now. Sounds like it will be one hell of an episode.

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.
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AdrianWerner said:
But it's one thing to not tell him, whole other to have damn Laurel dressing up as Canary and talking with her father.
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Yeah, as fucked as it is, not telling him at first, I get. Laurel said she wanted the person responsible caught first and for them to pay for their crime before he found out.

BUT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCK, THIS SHIT LITERALLY GOT DEMENTED IN THIS EPISODE.
 
FalconSabre said:
Well the official description for episode 14, The Return, is out now. Sounds like it will be one hell of an episode.

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.
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AdrianWerner said:
I assumed what she gave him is reworked version of the original chip.
And yeah, people are crazy. There's nothing wrong with Felicity now. Comparing her to Laurel is silly when Laurel is bassicaly doing the worst thing anyone has ever done on this show to her father right now.
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Uhh what? Moira said nothing while her Husband and Son (and Son's mistress) were supposed to be murdered at sea. She paid off her son's pregnant girlfriend so she'd get lost. Lied to her Daughter about who her Father was for so long that she almost slept with her half brother. Oh and had her son kidnapped and threatened with death as soon as she discovered that he had survived and returned from 5 years stranded on an island.

What Laurel is doing is cruel but only because we know the truth and aren't actually involved.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Uhh what? Moira said nothing while her Husband and Son (and Son's mistress) were supposed to be murdered at sea. She paid off her son's pregnant girlfriend so she'd get lost. Lied to her Daughter about who her Father was for so long that she almost slept with her half brother. Oh and had her son kidnapped and threatened with death as soon as she discovered that he had survived and returned from 5 years stranded on an island.

What Laurel is doing is cruel but only because we know the truth and aren't actually involved.
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Also, to be fair to Moira, some of that stuff was under duress and considering Malcolm was/is a pretty messed up dude, she had a reason for keeping that from Thea. At best, I'd say this is on equal grounds with what Moira has done.
 
FalconSabre said:
Well the official description for episode 14, The Return, is out now. Sounds like it will be one hell of an episode.

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.
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So that's what The Return means. Sneaky writers.
 
The writers should do us all a favor and steer clear of dialog involving software, hacking, and computer architectures. It's embarrassing.
 
I very much like how they're rebuilding Laurel. She finally gets the chance to shine a bit without being all powerful immediately. It is also good they adressed the difference between Roy and Laurel's training. It is also becoming clear you don't want to become an Alderman in Starling.
 
Jest Chillin said:
I'm going to kill you and hurt your family.. if you don't keep quiet while I kill your Husband and Son.

Yeah, doesn't cut it.
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She still had Thea. So what? She leaves Thea out in the cold, confesses for conspiracy to commit mass murder, and get the death penalty? I can't act like I'm on the high horse in that scenario.
 
BKatastrophe said:
She still had Thea. So what? She leaves Thea out in the cold, confesses for conspiracy to commit mass murder, and get the death penalty? I can't act like I'm on the high horse in that scenario.
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No. You report him and the others for conspiracy to commit mass murder. The "death" of her husband and son is more than enough proof that the Queens refused to do it. If the others flip on whatever other crimes, they'd still be lesser. Bring everyone down for that shit rather than just taking it.
 
Jest Chillin said:
No. You report him and the others for conspiracy to commit mass murder. The "death" of her husband and son is more than enough proof that the Queens refused to do it. If the others flip on whatever other crimes, they'd still be lesser. Bring everyone down for that shit rather than just taking it.
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She'd already been involved for years. She helped plan it. She wasn't getting off just for turning people in. They even tried to pull the "under duress" angle as part of her defense in S2 and it didn't work. It took Merlyn himself pulling strings in order to get it to work.

She'd still get a sizable prison sentence and Thea would be out in the cold. Maybe not the death penalty, but bad enough to where their life is still destroyed regardless of anything they would have done. It may have been a better option for the "greater good," sure, but it's hard to see that when it's all on your shoulders and you're the one gets the full force of the repercussions in that instance. On top of that, wasn't she trying to foil Malcolm's plans from within by collaborating with others to have him assassinated?
 
BKatastrophe said:
She'd already been involved for years. She helped plan it. She wasn't getting off just for turning people in. They even tried to pull the "under duress" angle as part of her defense in S2 and it didn't work. It took Merlyn himself pulling strings in order to get it to work.

She'd still get a sizable prison sentence and Thea would be out in the cold. Maybe not the death penalty, but bad enough to where their life is still destroyed regardless of anything they would have done. It may have been a better option for the "greater good," sure, but it's hard to see that when it's all on your shoulders and you're the one gets the full force of the repercussions in that instance. On top of that, wasn't she trying to foil Malcolm's plans from within by collaborating with others to have him assassinated?
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Circumstances change if she turns them in before it happens. She'd get immunity for testifying and providing all the evidence.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Uhh what? Moira said nothing while her Husband and Son (and Son's mistress) were supposed to be murdered at sea. She paid off her son's pregnant girlfriend so she'd get lost. Lied to her Daughter about who her Father was for so long that she almost slept with her half brother. Oh and had her son kidnapped and threatened with death as soon as she discovered that he had survived and returned from 5 years stranded on an island.

What Laurel is doing is cruel but only because we know the truth and aren't actually involved.
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Moira was a villain though. We expect villains to do bad things. Laurel is a good character and what's worse, what she does has no net benefit for anyone. And what she does is not only evil, but also terribly cruel. And that cruelness if aimed at character we love. So it hits a lot harder than when villain decides to kill somebody.

Plus it's just annoying. We finally reached a point when Laurel is starting to turn around, but they just had to saddle her with this fucking subplot. I think writers really have something against either that character or the actress, because it's getting ridiculous how badly she's handled.
 
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Why would you want to lie to this man Laurel
Why would you want to hurt him
Chesthair needs to visit Central City and get some superpowers
 
ZeroX03 said:
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Why would you want to lie to this man Laurel
Why would you want to hurt him
Chesthair needs to visit Central City and get some superpowers
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To be fair, he was a bit of douche during S1. And yes, I understand why and no, I don't think it was okay. It wasn't Oliver's fault that Malcolm Merlyn planted a bomb on their fucking boat.
 
BKatastrophe said:
To be fair, he was a bit of douche during S1. And yes, I understand why and no, I don't think it was okay. It wasn't Oliver's fault that Malcolm Merlyn planted a bomb on their fucking boat.
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it was oliver's fault that he brought his daughter on the ship that killed her though...while cheating on his other daughter.

i'd pistol whip the dude if i was quentin at the time.
 
Discotheque said:
it was oliver's fault that he brought his daughter on the ship that killed her though...while cheating on his other daughter.

i'd pistol whip the dude if i was quentin at the time.
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Sara was a big girl. She made that decision herself. Can't blame Ollie for a horny college girl's decisions.
 
Discotheque said:
yeah but like her dad would understand that and be nice to the dude. any parent would hate him in those circumstances lol.
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Well yeah he'd be pissed. I'd be pissed, too. There's a lot of emotions wrapped up there. But I couldn't hate him for as long as Quentin did. Maybe I just don't have the nerve for it.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Do we even know that SCPD would have cut that kind of deal with her?
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The scope of the plan was to kill EVERYONE in The Glades. Without immunity, she wouldn't testify and the rest of the group was too powerful to get otherwise. Yes, they would have.

AdrianWerner said:
Moira was a villain though. We expect villains to do bad things. Laurel is a good character and what's worse, what she does has no net benefit for anyone. And what she does is not only evil, but also terribly cruel. And that cruelness if aimed at character we love. So it hits a lot harder than when villain decides to kill somebody.

Plus it's just annoying. We finally reached a point when Laurel is starting to turn around, but they just had to saddle her with this fucking subplot. I think writers really have something against either that character or the actress, because it's getting ridiculous how badly she's handled.
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I can't agree with saying what Laurel is doing is evil. I would also say it only seems cruel because we have the outside perspective of knowing the truth. The reality of the situaiton is that Laurel is still very much broken from the death of her sister and what she's doing is her broken ass attempt at sparing her father from going through what she's going through.

It's not as if she's intentionally stringing him along so she can drop it on him suddenly and crush him.
 
Team Arrow hardly looks any better in how complacent they are. Granted, it's not their secret to tell, but the fact that they seem totally okay with helping Laurel keep it up. You'd think someone would pull her aside and say, "Hey. Maybe you've kept this up long enough."

But then, that's always been a problem with Laurel. She rarely ever gets to just talk to the other characters. Season one she was lecturing everyone and season two was just her being dumped on by everyone. Part of the reason she comes across as whiny is that she rarely gets the space to just speak her piece without being portrayed as a killjoy or not knowing any better.
 
Ollie's lies and deceit and alpha male impulse to protect his friends and family frequently makes them targets of murderers, madmen and masterminds, mind. And he's not above confronting them as Arrow to make them do or believe things.

Laurel's in good company
 
I'm calling it...

Oliver visits Tommy in the flashbacks. Some bad shit goes down. The only way to save Tommy is to wipe his memory or some shit. Explains why Oliver hides who he is from Tommy in S1, and then at the end of the episode Tommy returns all 'betas, leave!'
 
Speaking of Tommy. So there isn't any Lazarus Pit in play? So that means Ollie survived being impaled and a 100 foot drop and hours at least of sub freezing temperatures.
 
neoanarch said:
Speaking of Tommy. So there isn't any Lazarus Pit in play? So that means Ollie survived being impaled and a 100 foot drop and hours at least of sub freezing temperatures.
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He survived on a hellish island. Being impaled and drop 100 foot in freezing temperatures is a wednesday to him.
 
No, Waller had Tommy since season 02. Since he is the last place to look for when searching for it, she originally hid the Alpha in him. But with the destruction of the glades she rather took him in.

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neorej said:
He survived on a hellish island. Being impaled and drop 100 foot in freezing temperatures is a wednesday to him.
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I wish I was at home playing vigilante games.
The wind is too loud.
My stomache hurt.
I'm thirsty.
 
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