TheDarkKnight774
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Oh and mods its Batman #38 not #39
Insane retcon to Joker's origin story (Batman #38 SPOILERS)
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Schweinehund
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Given joker's nature I'm sure this will be discredited soon and the real joker shows up at the end of the arc.
Makes sense since Harley said "Joker is "different"" back in death of a family and said she doesn't love him anymore. I don't think this is the real Joker.
Makes sense since Harley said "Joker is "different"" back in death of a family and said she doesn't love him anymore. I don't think this is the real Joker.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=114664
They're officially hosted by this site. Thank you for the title change though<3
Ephemeris
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.. but they didn't put the spoiler in the article headline though :/
It is what it is.
Still don't like the "reveal" though.
Shouldn't it be 'Supposed retcon'?
Pop-O-Matic
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To be fair, in The Killing Joke, Joker claimed he remembered his own origin differently every time, so it doesn't mean it's the Joker origin.
Uno Venova
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Isn't this the first time his origin story has been told since the new 52? How can it be a retcon?
Arby 'n' the Chief
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Yep that's the only origin in my mind, not this awful re-write lol
GrandHarrier
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I take everything said about the Joker at face value.
Barb is walking and de-aged now ain't she?
That's part of what makes it so good. It's just one of many possible ways a man like him could exist.
Buddha Beam
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The Killing Joke has been irrelevant since 2011 when DC rebooted their continuity again.
and have any of you saying this is awful actually read the issue or series in question? It's been really damn good.
I'm not either, I assumed they were officially released as the comic is not out, they are around all comic pages and there are accompained by intervews with the author. If illegal please remove them and text will be placed instead.
shadow_shogun
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Indeed, reminds me of spoiler thread titles that are frequent on IMDB.
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Batman's continuity was mostly unaltered from New 52 in comparison to most of the other books. Also, both Death of the Family and Zero Year called back to the Red Hood/chemical plant origin.
It's been irrelevant since it was made in a way, Moore intended for Batman to have killed the Joker at the end of it.
For people who haven't been reading the run the concept is that the Joker has existed in Gotham for years wreaking havoc, and that he has finally 'beaten' Batman by poising the entire city with a toxin Bruce can't cure, not in a 'fun' way but simply to tear Gotham apart because he feels like Batman is hopeless (in an earlier run he tries to get Batman to kill the Bat Family so that things could be like when they first met).
Whilst Snyder has confirmed that the event isn't a dream, the run isn't over yet, and it's unlikely that The Joker's origins have changed to that degree. Snyder previously told the story of the Red Hood in his Zero Year run, and in Death of the Family Joker's origins are still stated to be at Ace Chemicals.
TL;DR: The run isn't over yet. There are still a few issues left and big revelations upcoming, so I wouldn't see this as anything but a story point.
Whilst Snyder has confirmed that the event isn't a dream, the run isn't over yet, and it's unlikely that The Joker's origins have changed to that degree. Snyder previously told the story of the Red Hood in his Zero Year run, and in Death of the Family Joker's origins are still stated to be at Ace Chemicals.
TL;DR: The run isn't over yet. There are still a few issues left and big revelations upcoming, so I wouldn't see this as anything but a story point.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The purpose of the killing joke was to make his origin ambiguous.
Haven't been keeping up with comics so I was unfamiliar with how much the reboot did away with. I guess that's why it's called a reboot.
Thanks.Schweinehund
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Killing joke was never relevant beyond Barb being paralyzed. Joker has never had a concrete origin. Even the Red Hood origin could be a lie because he's an unreliable narrator. Making him a god would be terrible though, I always enjoyed the idea of a mortal tampering with higher powers than himself.
Uno Venova
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Oh okay then, then I hope this new origin is just the ramblings of a crazy man.
thecouncil
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Are they talking about midichlorians or something?
Wiktor
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It's Vandal Savage propably.
NeonZ
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I get why people would dislike this direction for a movie or even a short tv show, but in modern comics, I think it fits perfectly with the direction they were taking Joker. He kills way too much, is portrayed as too dangerous and effective to be just some random lunatic who luckily survives death time and time again. Even if Batman wouldn't do it, someone else would.
They also want him to be Batman's biggest foe, above even someone like Ra's Al Ghul and as just a random lunatic, it's really hard to buy that. However, as this immortal terror haunting Gotham, he has a much bigger presence and everything feels justified. I don't think this needs to be an element in other media, but I've thought that something like that should have been done with the Joker in comics for a long time. In fact, what I fear the most out of this story is that it'll have some kind of cop out ending...
They also want him to be Batman's biggest foe, above even someone like Ra's Al Ghul and as just a random lunatic, it's really hard to buy that. However, as this immortal terror haunting Gotham, he has a much bigger presence and everything feels justified. I don't think this needs to be an element in other media, but I've thought that something like that should have been done with the Joker in comics for a long time. In fact, what I fear the most out of this story is that it'll have some kind of cop out ending...
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gutter_trash
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too hard to keep up, I will take the late 80s early 90s as the one I want to believe in
Wow, that didn't occur to me, but probably.
He sure as hell isn't doing anything funny.
I love how this Endgame storyline is basically the culmination of 38 issues, and there's a lot of context to keep in mind, and people read scans of 2 pages out of context and respond "This is stupid."
Anything taken out of context is not going to have the proper impact.
So essentially EVERY Joker origin story ever written?
Anything taken out of context is not going to have the proper impact.
So essentially EVERY Joker origin story ever written?
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The backup story of this particular arc actually has a bunch of Arkham patients each tell us his/her version of Joker's origin. Small spoilers for that:
In it Joker is clearly messing with them to amp up their insanity. One guy he convinces he's the actual devil, another one is a conspiracy nut who he convinces he's part of a government operated squad of Batmen they tried to get rid of and so on. Given this framing I wouldn't be surprised if this is another mind game thing and there are still twists to come. Even if they play it straight I don't think it's that awful either way.
Hahahah you reminded me of the thread about Quicksliver and Scarlet Witch. Hilarious.
Razgriz-Specter
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So damn sick of Joker, went from my favorite comic villain to one of my least favorite Batman villains.
Yes, pretty much. I don't like how no writer has the balls to make a definitive story, because most of them are just bad fan fiction.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah, this is just to rile people up. We'll get back to ambiguity about his origins soon enough.
But yet, that dialogue is not great.
But yet, that dialogue is not great.
Bobby Roberts
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The interview isn't theirs. They're copy+pasting from IGN, who actually did interview Snyder.
IGN's headline for the interview (which doesn't feature those panels) is BATMAN #38: SCOTT SNYDER ADDRESSES JOKER'S NEW ORIGIN, BIG VILLAIN RETURN
Comic Book Movie is ass. Stop looking at it.
exmachina64
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A rare chemical that occasionally exists in large enough quantities to grant the random person who stumbles upon it immortality.
Revolutionary
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Interesting. I don't read comics anymore but I appreciate these kinds of threads that keep me abreast of current events.
Those are scans linked from imgur, nothing official about them.
exmachina64
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You assume editorial isn't stopping them.
Thank you! I have no idea about how these websites work, I found the story interesting for Gaf. Already deleted the pics and left only text.
Well they allow stuff like this haha. I don't know what's worse.
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