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[The Horror the horror]

Seattle still had a shot at winning the game after that costly interception.

Had the Pats knelt after the turnover, it would have been a safety, as Brady was behind his own goal line. That's 2 points for Seattle, and they'd have received the free kick with 30 seconds, and tried to drive within field goal range.

That's why Brady decided to hard count and get that neutral zone infraction penalty.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Seattle still had a shot at winning the game after that costly interception.

Had the Pats knelt after the turnover, it would have been a safety, as Brady was behind his own goal line. That's 2 points for Seattle, and they'd have received the free kick with 30 seconds, and tried to drive within field goal range.

That's why Brady decided to hard count and get that neutral zone infraction penalty.

They werne't going to kneel anyways. They had a TO, that whole play was just to get them offsides on hard count.

If they failed, Brady would have QB sneaked it to get enough room for a kneel.

 

[teruterubozu]

football is a game of chance, sometimes the better team loses

That's what losers say.
It's a game of capitalizing on opportunities.

 

[Ambient80]

I was referring to Kearse, which could've been worse than the helmet catch. The "we lost to ourselves" argument is not just false but extremely arrogant, completely disregarding their 10 point lead they had and the 4th quarter performance by the Pats.
It also ignores how both teams made bad calls, such as 2nd turnover.


Game of skill, and the best team won.

Ah my bad, yes you are correct. I think I even said something similar earlier with people ignoring that the Pats scored 14 unanswered points against the best defense in the league. Yeah the last play all by Seattle was rough, but give the Pats some credit too for making another comeback.

 

[ICKE]

Now that I've slept on it, here are some thoughts as a soccer loving European.

-The half time show was great, loved the dancing sharks and Katy Perry is always top notch.

-The game itself was extremely entertaining, the momentum changed so many times. Both teams never gave up. Seahawks risked a lot and it paid off near the end of the first half, but it just wasn't to be.

-A lot of people complain about the amount breaks and commercials but I sort of understand why they are needed. So many tactical variations and planning before every play.

I am definitely going to start watching NFL more often.

 

[Respect]

Seattle still had a shot at winning the game after that costly interception.

Had the Pats knelt after the turnover, it would have been a safety, as Brady was behind his own goal line. That's 2 points for Seattle, and they'd have received the free kick with 30 seconds, and tried to drive within field goal range.

That's why Brady decided to hard count and get that neutral zone infraction penalty.

Actually wasn't a hard count, they had used silent count all night (2 head nods by Stork) but went to 3 on that play to try and get the offside penalty.

 

[The Horror the horror]

They werne't going to kneel anyways. They had a TO, that whole play was just to get them offsides on hard count.

If they failed, Brady would have QB sneaked it to get enough room for a kneel.

There's no guarantee the QB sneak would have been successful. The ball was spotted on the New England 2 (after the turnover and the unsportsman like penalty). Had Brady tried a QB sneak and lost a single rushing yard, it would have been a safety.

 

[Derpyduck]

Actually wasn't a hard count, they had used silent count all night (2 head nods by Stork) but went to 3 on that play to try and get the offside penalty.

Brady proving again why he's one of the all time greats.

There's no guarantee the QB sneak would have been successful. The ball was spotted on the New England 2 (after the turnover and the unsportsman like penalty). Had Brady tried a QB sneak and lost a single yard, it would have been a safety.

And there's no guarantee Lynch would have scored. But the odds say he would have, just like the odds of Brady losing yardage on a sneak are laughably low. He never loses yardage.

 

[Spinluck]

Actually wasn't a hard count, they had used silent count all night (2 head nods by Stork) but went to 3 on that play to try and get the offside penalty.

And then a round of boxing began!!

Two sporting events in one!! Goodell delivered!

 

[Quotient]

Actually wasn't a hard count, they had used silent count all night (2 head nods by Stork) but went to 3 on that play to try and get the offside penalty.

That was a fantastic move to get the penalty and some breathing room.

 

[Sorian]

Brady proving again why he's one of the all time greats.



And there's no guarantee Lynch would have scored. But the odds say he would have, just like the odds of Brady losing yardage on a sneak are laughably low. He never loses yardage.

You mean Belichick? You could tell from the shit eating grin on his face once the flag went out that it was his idea.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Dude must have had the biggest grin on his face right before that last Seattle play. His reaction to the INT was probably ten times better than Sherman's.

speaking of, do we have any good youtube meltdown compilations yet? that final play had to have resulted in some good shit.

 

[Coins]

Fucking ouch.

Hope he gets better soon.

 

[Ogimachi]

Now that I've slept on it, here are some thoughts as a soccer loving European.

-The half time show was great, loved the dancing sharks and Katy Perry is always top notch.

-The game itself was extremely entertaining, the momentum changed so many times. Both teams never gave up. Seahawks risked a lot and it paid off near the end of the first half, but it just wasn't to be.

-A lot of people complain about the amount breaks and commercials but I sort of understand why they are needed. So many tactical variations and planning before every play.

I am definitely going to start watching NFL more often.

The amount of breaks is a kind of a shock to some people because both sports are basically the extreme examples. Soccer matches last 90min but sometimes you get less than half of that worth of ball possession per se.

 

[Respect]

Fucking ouch.

Hope he gets better soon.

Holy shit...looks like rubber.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Because of the way things played out in the end, Bill made the right call on the goal line defense.

If he calls a TO, you know for sure that they Seahawks get themselves collected and RUN, not throw a slant. The Hawks were in a rush, too. They had screwed up their own TO situation and Pete has said as much with how he wanted to manage the downs. Bill forced their hands by making them put in a play they wanted on the fly. It was supposed to catch the Pats flatfooted, but it didn't.

And you never really want to let the other team just walk it in. You have a defense. They have an offense. Stop them, let things play out. Look what happened, an INT.

Also, it's pretty surprising that teams don't have goal line sets anymore. When I was a serious Madden player back in the day, you had the goal line offense that was all bunched up. Modern NFL though, it's shotgun, spread offense wide receivers all over. No longer FB/RB sets to punch it in or with a TE ready to break out for a catch if needed. Different game these days.

 

[Burt]

Now that I've slept on it, here are some thoughts as a soccer loving European.

-The half time show was great, loved the dancing sharks and Katy Perry is always top notch.

-The game itself was extremely entertaining, the momentum changed so many times. Both teams never gave up. Seahawks risked a lot and it paid off near the end of the first half, but it just wasn't to be.

-A lot of people complain about the amount breaks and commercials but I sort of understand why they are needed. So many tactical variations and planning before every play.

I am definitely going to start watching NFL more often.

 

[ICKE]

The amount of breaks is a kind of a shock to some people because both sports are basically the extreme examples. Soccer matches last 90min but sometimes you get less than half of that worth of ball possession per se.

Yeah, the game flows differently. In soccer the players have to adjust themselves during the match and that's why the tempo can be quite slow for long periods of time. Both sports are hella entertaining.

 

[Lonestar]

a healthy mayo is the pats best linebacker in my opinion. Hightower and collins are good at certain roles. One is a superb run stopper and the other is a acceptional pass rusher. Mayo while healthy is our best coverage linebacker and tackler. He can also stop the run and pass rush well. I like Ninkovinch better then hightower and collins.

Hightower saved the victory with his tackle of Lynch

http://youtu.be/Cz8ENFKYXe0?t=3m34s

Lynch gets in if Hightower doesn't get off the block from Okung and hit him at the knees.

 

[Derpyduck]

You mean Belichick? You could tell from the shit eating grin on his face once the flag went out that it was his idea.

No, I mean Brady. Belichick can call whatever he wants. The QB has to sell it. Brady is great at it.

speaking of, do we have any good youtube meltdown compilations yet? that final play had to have resulted in some good shit.

Here's some highs and lows.

 

[teruterubozu]

Because of the way things played out in the end, Bill made the right call on the goal line defense.

If he calls a TO, you know for sure that they Seahawks get themselves collected and RUN, not throw a slant. The Hawks were in a rush, too. They had screwed up their own TO situation and Pete has said as much with how he wanted to manage the downs. Bill forced their hands by making them put in a play they wanted on the fly. It was supposed to catch the Pats flatfooted, but it didn't.

And you never really want to let the other team just walk it in. You have a defense. They have an offense. Stop them, let things play out. Look what happened, an INT.

Also, it's pretty surprising that teams don't have goal line sets anymore. When I was a serious Madden player back in the day, you had the goal line offense that was all bunched up. Modern NFL though, it's shotgun, spread offense wide receivers all over. No longer FB/RB sets to punch it in or with a TE ready to break out for a catch if needed. Different game these days.

Yup. People thought Bill froze at the end with confusion, but he really let the clock tick down to force Seattle's hand. Seattle was like, wait why aren't they calling a time out - shit the clock is ticking!

 

[Ogimachi]

Yeah, the game flows differently. In soccer the players have to adjust themselves during the match and that's why the tempo can be quite slow for long periods of time.

Also, as much as I love it, I'll never understand the lack of coach challenges and timeouts.

 

[Shouta]

Seattle still had a shot at winning the game after that costly interception.

Had the Pats knelt after the turnover, it would have been a safety, as Brady was behind his own goal line. That's 2 points for Seattle, and they'd have received the free kick with 30 seconds, and tried to drive within field goal range.

That's why Brady decided to hard count and get that neutral zone infraction penalty.

No, it's very unlikely that we would have have gotten the safety. They're pretty uncommon in general Even if we did, there was pretty much little to no chance for us to march down the field far enough to get an FG with as little time left as there was.

It really came down to to that play really. Defense maybe could have played better to deny scores but considering we lost two starters (with one of the back-ups getting picked on all night and giving a score). in the game, I'm generally happy that it was as close as it was. It really just came down to us beating ourselves more than anything.

Also, good shit on Carroll taking the heat for Bevel's BS call.

 

[offtopic]

So, nfl fans...have a question about the end of the first half that nobody has brought up. With Seattle lining up on the 6yd line with 6 seconds to go Wilson threw an easy TD because the receiver was played soft (wtf?).

In this situation is there ANY reason to not tell your secondary to just tackle all receivers as they come off the line of scrimmage? You get called for a penalty but time isn't added to the clock, the ball is moved to the 3yd line (half the distance) and Seattle is forced to kick a field goal (or risk getting zero points). What am I missing here???

 

[Blackhead]

Because of the way things played out in the end, Bill made the right call on the goal line defense.

If he calls a TO, you know for sure that they Seahawks get themselves collected and RUN, not throw a slant. The Hawks were in a rush, too. They had screwed up their own TO situation and Pete has said as much with how he wanted to manage the downs. Bill forced their hands by making them put in a play they wanted on the fly. It was supposed to catch the Pats flatfooted, but it didn't.

And you never really want to let the other team just walk it in. You have a defense. They have an offense. Stop them, let things play out. Look what happened, an INT.

Also, it's pretty surprising that teams don't have goal line sets anymore. When I was a serious Madden player back in the day, you had the goal line offense that was all bunched up. Modern NFL though, it's shotgun, spread offense wide receivers all over. No longer FB/RB sets to punch it in or with a TE ready to break out for a catch if needed. Different game these days.

Grantland Super Bowl Wrap-up: What Was Pete Carroll Thinking?

I don’t think passing the ball was the right decision, but let me try to put together a case in which it might be a justifiable choice...

You can understand why Carroll might be afraid of getting burned in what seemed like a hopeless situation for the opposition, because you only have to go back to Seattle’s last playoff loss to remember how quickly things can swing. That was during the 2012 playoffs, when the Seahawks came back from a 27-7 deficit in the fourth quarter to take a 28-27 lead with 34 seconds to go. In that game, the Seahawks handed the ball to Lynch on first-and-goal from the 2-yard line, and he immediately scored.

Despite the stunning comeback, Atlanta got the ball back with two timeouts, completed a pair of passes, and got a 49-yard field goal from Matt Bryant to win the game. The Packers, furthermore, responded to another huge Seattle comeback by taking over with 1:19 left and driving for a game-tying field goal in the NFC Championship Game. I’m not arguing that Carroll and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell should have been so time-conscious as to basically waste second down on a pass play. But I can understand why they would be overly sensitive about leaving too much time on the clock...

Love Richard Sherman but those reaction gifs are anazing, keep em coming

Great game. Fair play to Brady for not shitting the bed like Peyton last year. Deserved win in the end

 

[Floridian]

Iconic performance from last night

 

[Derpyduck]

So, nfl fans...have a question about the end of the first half that nobody has brought up. With Seattle lining up on the 6yd line with 6 seconds to go Wilson threw an easy TD because the receiver was played soft (wtf?).

In this situation is there ANY reason to not tell your secondary to just tackle all receivers as they come off the line of scrimmage? You get called for a penalty but time isn't added to the clock, the ball is moved to the 3yd line (half the distance) and Seattle is forced to kick a field goal (or risk getting zero points). What am I missing here???

Same reason Bill didn't call a timeout. You play what you practice. They're prepared for those situations. If all went well for the Pats, they would have picked Wilson in the end zone and the first half would have ended with Seattle getting no points on that drive. You don't send a message to your defense that you think they suck.

 

[Trey]

So, nfl fans...have a question about the end of the first half that nobody has brought up. With Seattle lining up on the 6yd line with 6 seconds to go Wilson threw an easy TD because the receiver was played soft (wtf?).

In this situation is there ANY reason to not tell your secondary to just tackle all receivers as they come off the line of scrimmage? You get called for a penalty but time isn't added to the clock, the ball is moved to the 3yd line (half the distance) and Seattle is forced to kick a field goal (or risk getting zero points). What am I missing here???

Game can't end on a defensive penalty. And even if you tried to tackle every receiver you probably won't get them all, and it's a free play for the offense to score every single time you do it.

Because of the way things played out in the end, Bill made the right call on the goal line defense.

If he calls a TO, you know for sure that they Seahawks get themselves collected and RUN, not throw a slant. The Hawks were in a rush, too. They had screwed up their own TO situation and Pete has said as much with how he wanted to manage the downs. Bill forced their hands by making them put in a play they wanted on the fly. It was supposed to catch the Pats flatfooted, but it didn't.

And you never really want to let the other team just walk it in. You have a defense. They have an offense. Stop them, let things play out. Look what happened, an INT.

Also, it's pretty surprising that teams don't have goal line sets anymore. When I was a serious Madden player back in the day, you had the goal line offense that was all bunched up. Modern NFL though, it's shotgun, spread offense wide receivers all over. No longer FB/RB sets to punch it in or with a TE ready to break out for a catch if needed. Different game these days.

Makes absolutely the wrong call and still gets called a genius for it. Must be nice.

 

[teruterubozu]

So, nfl fans...have a question about the end of the first half that nobody has brought up. With Seattle lining up on the 6yd line with 6 seconds to go Wilson threw an easy TD because the receiver was played soft (wtf?).

In this situation is there ANY reason to not tell your secondary to just tackle all receivers as they come off the line of scrimmage? You get called for a penalty but time isn't added to the clock, the ball is moved to the 3yd line (half the distance) and Seattle is forced to kick a field goal (or risk getting zero points). What am I missing here???

That's a free play for the QB. Flags will fly but the play will still continue.

 

[offtopic]

Same reason Bill didn't call a timeout. You play what you practice. They're prepared for those situations. If all went well for the Pats, they would have picked Wilson in the end zone and the first half would have ended with Seattle getting no points on that drive.

That isn't an equivalent situation. Chance of getting a touchdown from the 6 is probably 50%. Chance of getting field goal if that failed probably 99%. Chance of an INT? Maybe 2%?

Seems like a huge blunder to me as you don't play for some 2% chance. You just go into halftime with the lead.

 

[Derpyduck]

Game can't end on a defensive penalty. And even if you tackled every receiver you probably won't get them all, and it's a free play for the offense to score every single time you do it.

He's saying force the clock to tick down and force them to just take the three, which they would have done if there was less than 6 seconds on the clock.

That isn't an equivalent situation. Chance of getting a touchdown from the 6 is probably 50%. Chance of getting field goal if that failed probably 99%. Chance of an INT? Maybe 2%?

Seems like a huge blunder to me as you don't play for some 2% chance. You just go into halftime with the lead.

Again, show me a coach that displays zero faith in his defense and I'll show you a coach that isn't long for the league. And you're nuts if you think the average of scoring from the 6 is 50 percent.

 

[offtopic]

That's a free play for the QB. Flags will fly but the play will still continue.

There is nobody to throw to though. Free play to no receivers isn't going to work and, no, it isn't hard to just tackle everyone who goes beyond the line of scrimmage.

No shit the half doesn't end of a defensive penalty but the ball at the 3yd line with 1 second on the clock forces the field goal (because Carroll would just take the points).

 

[D4Danger]

 

[teruterubozu]

There is nobody to throw to though. Free play to no receivers isn't going to work and, no, it isn't hard to just tackle everyone who goes beyond the line of scrimmage.

No shit the half doesn't end of a defensive penalty but the ball at the 3yd line with 1 second on the clock forces the field goal (because Carroll would just take the points).

Wilson is known to run. There are way too many risks.

 

[Trey]

He's saying force the clock to tick down and force them to just take the three, which they would have done if there was less than 6 seconds on the clock.

It's also probably infinitely easier to execute actual good defense than some gimmicky "foul everybody who is eligible" attempt, given that Wilson can do anything at that point and not be punished for it.

You're not gaining much (if anything) by doing this.

 

[offtopic]

He's saying force the clock to tick down and force them to just take the three, which they would have done if there was less than 6 seconds on the clock.



Again, show me a coach that displays zero faith in his defense and I'll show you a coach that isn't long for the league. And you're nuts if you think the average of scoring from the 6 is 50 percent.

That isn't showing no faith. That is just tactics. Sometimes you have to think outside the box a little bit. The entire goal there was to hold them to a field goal attempt. Just grabbing every receiver entering the pattern forces that.

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

Iconic performance from last night

It's like a horrible Rick Astley impression.

 

[teruterubozu]

That isn't showing no faith. That is just tactics. Sometimes you have to think outside the box a little bit. The entire goal there was to hold them to a field goal attempt. Just grabbing every receiver entering the pattern forces that.

That's playing conservatively, which usually fails in the Super Bowl. The goal is to prevent them from scoring at all.

 

[Derpyduck]

That isn't showing no faith. That is just tactics. Sometimes you have to think outside the box a little bit. The entire goal there was to hold them to a field goal attempt. Just grabbing every receiver entering the pattern forces that.

And removes all chances of something good happening for your team. Belichick explained it all really well in his post-game interviews. Belichick doesn't coach like a pansy. Never has, probably never will. Much to his credit, neither does Pete. And it burns both of them sometimes. The alternative is being John Fox. Bleh.

 

[Revolver]

There is nobody to throw to though. Free play to no receivers isn't going to work and, no, it isn't hard to just tackle everyone who goes beyond the line of scrimmage.

No shit the half doesn't end of a defensive penalty but the ball at the 3yd line with 1 second on the clock forces the field goal (because Carroll would just take the points).

Wouldn't the refs just put the seconds back on the clock to when the foul occured? So the offense would be in better position to score a TD with the same amount of time left.

 

[offtopic]

Wilson is known to run. There are way too many risks.

The risk was giving up an easy touchdown which they did. The smart play would have been to grab every receiver and just contain Wilson. This isn't rocket science but even the best NFL coaches can fail to see the obvious.

 

[n64coder]

Apparently this fan had this tattoo done in August, before the season started. So he was pretty close to having it be true.

 

[offtopic]

That's playing conservatively, which usually fails in the Super Bowl. The goal is to prevent them from scoring at all.

Uh, the Patriots would have been super happy to hold them to a field goal in that case. They weren't going "oh good they aren't kicking a field goal we have a chance to intercept this!". Belichick would have been most pleased if they just kicked it and didn't run a play at all.

 

[teruterubozu]

Uh, the Patriots would have been super happy to hold them to a field goal in that case. They weren't going "oh good they aren't kicking a field goal we have a chance to intercept this!". Belichick would have been most pleased if they just kicked it and didn't run a play at all.

I guess you have it figured out then. Sorry we tried to explain.

 

[E92 M3]

Any chance the last play was a way to sabotage the game for a deal done in Vegas? Maybe I am just bored.

 

[offtopic]

Wouldn't the refs just put the seconds back on the clock to when the foul occured? So the offense would be in better position to score a TD with the same amount of time left.

No. They would have put the ball at the 3yd line with 0 seconds on the clock and let Seattle run one more play. Seattle would have kicked the field goal. I'm just amazed that even the brightest coaches don't see these things.

 

[Derpyduck]

No. They would have put the ball at the 3yd line with 0 seconds on the clock and let Seattle run one more play. Seattle would have kicked the field goal. I'm just amazed that even the brightest coaches don't see these things.

You're amazed that the best coaches don't play to not lose?

 

[offtopic]

I guess you have it figured out then. Sorry we tried to explain.

You tried to explain why you'd trade a 1-2% chance to hold them to 0 points for a 40-50% chance to give up 7. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Hightower saved the victory with his tackle of Lynch

http://youtu.be/Cz8ENFKYXe0?t=3m34s

Lynch gets in if Hightower doesn't get off the block from Okung and hit him at the knees.

I appreciate all the Pats players for the roles they play in contributing as a team. People scoffed when I said I miss Mayo as if hes some scrub. Before the injuries he was the teams leading tackler and I think he has allot of good football left in him. The patriot way has always been about the next man stepping up. I do wish Mayo could have been out there healthy and will look forward to seeing him bounce back next year.

 

[Gorillaz]

Any chance the last play was a way to sabotage the game for a deal done in Vegas? Maybe I am just bored.

The only crazy explanation I heard was they didn't want Marshawn to get MVP for the game if the play worked, since it would mean he would have to put on some sort of PR face on the superbowl stage and he obviously ain't the type for that.