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[Seanspeed]

It's arbitrary that you should decide what frame rate is acceptable for a game's graphical quality when what you're judging it on is an 18 minute YouTube video. The shimmering you guys are talking about is highly exacerbated by the compression of the video. It is present in the game, but not to the degree you can see on YouTube. But the thing is that I would expect someone who fancies himself to be the arbiter on what is graphically acceptable or not to be wary of things like video compression on preview footage.

I didn't watch it on Youtube, but the direct link download.

And while the video I did watch still wasn't the very highest quality, it was still very apparent that the aliasing/shimmering happening was occurring in-game.

As for deciding what is acceptable, I am merely making comparisons to other games. And no, not just The Order. I think we've seen enough next-gen games to have an idea of what sort of graphics and performance levels these machines are capable of. And I personally feel that at 30fps, this game should probably have better IQ. Especially for a game that is only being developed for one single hardware specification.

 

[Auctopus]

The OT is going to be batshit.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

This is just my opinion And when I remember right than the previous shown gameplay was way more faster and with more action, now everything looks boring and slow to me, but this is my opinion

Well, at least you've just saved yourself $60 to put toward your next button-masher!!!

 

[Jimmyfenix]

I don't see how people got the idea that this game was going to be a fast action game?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Obviously you don't otherwise you would have known what to expect.

Obviously you're not familiar with Seanspeed's history, otherwise you would have known what to expect.

Just ignore the guy. I wouldn't do a double take if somebody said the IQ looks less-than-stellar in that video right now. But to say it's not even "decent"? That's just... trollish.

 

[TheCongressman1]

"A lot of people didn't think so" is a meaningless statement. A lot of people don't think the Beatles were a good band. A lot of people also think things that are demonstrably false.

You are also now talking about something completely different. At first you were concerned about a possible Bloodborne downgrade (it hasn't been downgraded), and now you're just saying that because some people thought DS2 was crappy (DS2, which was #5 for Gaf GOTY) that people have a right to be concerned?

Ok, so first of all, you're going to disregard anyone's opinion otherwise just because we don't have a solid number to throw at that? Who's being unreasonable?

Secondly, I'm not saying it was downgraded. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised because of what happened with DS2. Whether or not there was anything shady about that, it most certainly had it's visual content cut right before launch. That was disappointing to many fans, including myself. I still very much enjoyed the game despite some of it's shortcomings.

If you don't care about the fidelity, that's great, enjoy the game. I don't care how shocking it is for you, but others apparently do care about that aspect, so don't try to fault anybody for doing so. Being unreasonable is one thing, but you've just lumped anyone with that opinion together to shame them.

That's all I have to say on that. I'm done with this conversation.

 

[Seanspeed]

Obviously you're not familiar with Seanspeed's history, otherwise you would have known what to expect.

Just ignore the guy. I wouldn't do a double take if somebody said the IQ looks less-than-stellar in that video right now. But to say it's not even "decent"? That's just... trollish.

What history is that?

And no, the IQ isn't decent. That's not trolling. I don't think you need really high standards to agree with that. Plenty of others seem to agree.

Man, I'm done, though. Obviously some of you guys are REALLY sensitive over criticism of this game.

Sorry but if it was just people complaining about the AA and the shimmering (which are definitely a problem) then i don't think people would be bringing up ''concern trolling'' the way it's being brought up now.

Yet here I am, already being labelled a troll over criticising the obviously bad IQ.

 

[On Demand]

These graphic whores annoy me. Game looks off the charts

Yeah the game looks really good to me. I don't see the problem with it.

The thread is getting close to shitting up. We can't even discuss the gameplay.

 

[Dyno]

I watched it and was glad I did. The person playing did so in a rushed way so there was no big secrets revealed. Nothing tremendous but it did show what a stroll through the city will play like and that looks like fun.

I think the game looks just fine. There's an awful lot of detail and it's going to be fun looking at everything and seeing what does what. That level looks fairly complicated too so it will be fun to try and learn you way around.

It's a FROM game through and though. You know what you are getting. Looks like we'll be getting a good one.

Oh and those screams! Those screams are crazy!

 

[Servbot24]

I agree that design is more important, but again, that doesn't excuse dishonest footage. (again, not talking about this game yet) If it's so apparent that FROM can't provide that kind of fidelity, then why are they showing it in the first place? Why is that ok?

I don't know why anyone wants to be part of watching a game devolving over time until release. I'd think everyone would rather it be the other way around.

Why is it wrong? It's their goal. They didn't reach it, but that's fine, it happens when you have lofty goals. Better to aim high and fall short than aim low and hit your mark.

The game development process doesn't exist for your amusement. It exists to make a final product, which you can then judge on its own terms.

 

[Lux R7]

i don't know.
I'm sure the game will be objectively great.
I'm a Souls fan, real fan.
But i'm so sad that this setting isn't the one i love.
And i don't like the weapons, i also prefer swords and medieval stuff.
Dark Medieval is my thing, i'm sorry about this 'cause i know i will not enjoy this game like you all. I'm just sure.
Damn it.
Just damn it, i'm jealous.

 

[Haunted]

I don't see how people got the idea that this game was going to be a fast action game?

It's that small comment of Miyazaki that this would be faster and more aggressive than the sword and board of the first Souls games that got spun out of control into wishful thinking that Bloodborne would basically play like God of War by those that don't enjoy the methodical pace of the Souls combat.

 

[Persona7]

I don't see how people got the idea that this game was going to be a fast action game?

It's slightly faster than the previous games but not really by much. I think some people just took that sentiment and ran with it, lol.

 

[Clear]

Folks who don't think much of the visuals really ought to pop over to the DSII: Scholar Of The First Sin "Forlorn Hope" trailer thread. Its quite a significant step up.

 

[Haunted]

Folks who don't think much of the visuals really ought to pop over to the DSII: Scholar Of The First Sin trailer thread. Its quite a significant step up.

I don't think that's getting a lot of praise either. >_>

PC with ENB looks better than the new version of DS2, and it still looks much worse than the original reveal/prototype/demo whatever they showed off.

 

[asmudge]

But to say it's not even "decent"? That's just... trollish.

I couldn't care less about graphiczzz for this title but i have yet seen IQ this bad on any ps4 game let alone exclusive.

 

[Yurt]

Oh brilliant framerate talk based on a YouTube video of an early build


who gives a shit about frame rate, just give me the GOAT already

 

[Jimmyfenix]

I couldn't care less about graphiczzz for this title but i have yet seen IQ this bad on any ps4 game let alone exclusive.

Are you saying that dynasty warriors has better iq than bloodborne?

Now this is hyperbole

 

[B-Genius]

I only meant it as a joke.

I know, I wasn't having a go at anyone in particular.
It would still make me a little bit sad ^^;

Are they targeting 30fps? This doesnt look particularly amazing, I would think the PS4 could do this game in 60.

Yeah. People think PS4 can do a lot of things...

Bloodborne |OT| Type Oh, Be PositiveB

Just gonna keep quoting this one until it happens, haha.

 

[Derpyduck]

Oh brilliant framerate talk based on a YouTube video of an early build


who gives a shit about frame rate, just give me the GOAT already

Who gives a shit about frame rate? Seriously?

 

[Brohan]

Yet here I am, already being labelled a troll over criticising the obviously bad IQ.

I'm not calling you a troll, but i also do not agree with what you are saying.

I agree that the IQ is not stellar, mostly due to the AA and shimmering.

But i do think it's pretty decent, atleast when keeping in mind that this is Fromsoft that we are talking about.

Saying that the IQ is terribad might make some think you are trolling or prone to hyperbole.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

And no, the IQ isn't decent. That's not trolling. I don't think you need really high standards to agree with that. Plenty of others seem to agree.

I don't know man, it's a console game; it's not going to set the world on fire with its visuals, we all know that. It's coming from a development team that's never been known for great IQ. It looks good enough for what I (subjective) expect on a console, so to see someone saying that the IQ isn't even decent, I don't know, it seems like there's something else in there. I'll be honest here, I was more turned off by the animation (both in the main character and the enemies) than the overall IQ (even though those dry shrubs do look crappy), and animation is harder to improve than IQ (textures, AA, shadows, etc), yet I know that these is one of those games that people enjoy because of the gameplay rather than graphics.

Now, if we had a thread saying something to the effect of "Bloodborne has got to be one of the better looking games of the current generation" I'd be there calling BS on the first page. So let's just not go to extremes.

By the way, I apologize for my previous post. I didn't mean any offense by that, I was just fooling around (check my other posts in the thread if you want).

 

[mattp]

ITT: 40 pages of arguing about the graphics in a from software game

 

[Yurt]

i don't know.
I'm sure the game will be objectively great.
I'm a Souls fan, real fan.
But i'm so sad that this setting isn't the one i love.
And i don't like the weapons, i also prefer swords and medieval stuff.
Dark Medieval is my thing, i'm sorry about this 'cause i know i will not enjoy this game like you all. I'm just sure.
Damn it.
Just damn it, i'm jealous.

We've had three games in Medieval times now, and by the end of DS2 I was a bit...fatigued

I'm glad they're trying something new with the franchise, but at the same time feels familiar, if you know what I mean

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Anyone have a non IGN direct download link?

 

[Wereroku]

What history is that?

And no, the IQ isn't decent. That's not trolling. I don't think you need really high standards to agree with that. Plenty of others seem to agree.

Man, I'm done, though. Obviously some of you guys are REALLY sensitive over criticism of this game.

Yet here I am, already being labelled a troll over criticising the obviously bad IQ.

I think the IQ is decent. It's got some AA problems but it's not anything that will mess with the enjoyment of the game for me. Unfortunately you and everyone else needs to realize the IQ quality level is actually somewhat subjective. In BB's case i think it looks fine and would play it right now. Would I like it to be better? Sure. However if they are spending all their time getting the FPS stable than I am fine with the level it is at now.

 

[Clear]

I don't think that's getting a lot of praise either. >_>

PC with ENB looks better than the new version of DS2, and it still looks much worse than the original reveal/prototype/demo whatever they showed off.

I wasn't trying to big-up the re-release. The point I was making is that the level of detail in Bloodborne's artwork really shows a massive step up from Dark Souls II. Showing how daft certain comments about it looking like a PS3 game really were.

 

[Feindflug]

What history is that?

And no, the IQ isn't decent. That's not trolling. I don't think you need really high standards to agree with that. Plenty of others seem to agree.

Man, I'm done, though. Obviously some of you guys are REALLY sensitive over criticism of this game.


Yet here I am, already being labelled a troll over criticising the obviously bad IQ.

I just saw the video and yeah the IQ is pretty bad (at least there is some decent amount of AF), thank god the frame-rate looks good though.

I'm sure that this would've been already asked but does the final version of the game run at 1080p? if yes then the amount of jaggies in this video is absurd...probably shader aliasing makes things even worse.

 

[Haunted]

ITT: 40 pages of arguing about the graphics in a from software game

More success means higher visibility means higher expectations!

It's the natural order of the world. It's why there's a very real backlash to the tech in the recent Telltale games. More exposure and commercial success automatically lead to higher expectations for future entries.

I wasn't trying to big-up the re-release. The point I was making is that the level of detail in Bloodborne's artwork really shows a massive step up from Dark Souls II. Showing how daft certain comments about it looking like a PS3 game really were.

I said this a couple pages ago, but I think people have Dark Souls 2 PC in mind when they think about the benchmark for what a generational leap should look like, when this is closer to a generational leap from Demon's Souls (which makes more sense, if you think about it). First game on new hardware, new IP etc.

 

[Yurt]

Who gives a shit about frame rate? Seriously?

There are levels of giving shit.

I'm gonna start giving one when it's downright unplayable.


It was but a mere hyperbolic joke anyway

 

[Beelzebufo]

Maybe it's because I've watched it on my phone, or maybe it's because I've been playing DkS, but I still can't see the graphical problems haha

 

[Servbot24]

Who gives a shit about frame rate? Seriously?

Frame rate has an very low impact on how good this game is going to be.

It's certainly one of the least interesting topics in gaming to discuss.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

ITT: 40 pages of arguing about the graphics in a from software game

Exactly.

 

[asmudge]

Are you saying that dynasty warriors has better iq than bloodborne?

Now this is hyperbole

I never even seen what dynasty warriors looks like TBH

 

[Kssio_Aug]

What you say might be true about people complaining about concern trolls in other threads and i can understand that if used unwarranted it will quickly become an annoying label.

However in this thread i have seen some legitimate trolling/shitting:

People saying everything should at least look as good as The Order if not better are not just being ''unreasonable'', they are having insane expectations.

People claiming downgrades without giving any substantial evidence or examples while ignoring those that bring up the different lightning due to the difference in time of day.

And then there were those saying that this looks like a PS3 game and then there are those saying that even that would be a compliment.


Sorry but if it was just people complaining about the AA and the shimmering (which are definitely a problem) then i don't think people would be bringing up ''concern trolling'' the way it's being brought up now.

Just my 2cents though.

I could not explain it better! Nice post!

 

[-MD-]

Frame rate has an very low impact on how good this game is going to be.

It's certainly one of the least interesting topics in gaming to discuss.

Sarcasm?

 

[TheCongressman1]

Why is it wrong? It's their goal. They didn't reach it, but that's fine, it happens when you have lofty goals. Better to aim high and fall short than aim low and hit your mark.

The game development process doesn't exist for your amusement. It exists to make a final product, which you can then judge on its own terms.

I can understand not meeting goals. You're right, that does happen, and that's reasonable. But when your marketing says all these wonderful things about the new lighting system and most of the visuals are magically gone in the final product, with no word as to why, or even acknowledging it, that isn't fair. It does happen, and that's why people lose trust.

And you're right, game development isn't for our amusement, it's become part of marketing. They want to sell you on a game before you even see the final product.

 

[Wereroku]

I never even seen what dynasty warriors looks like TBH

Bask in the glory of Dynasty Warriors

 

[Fdkn]

oh ffs the framerate on the video is fine. Do you even remeber DeS and DaS on ps3? this thing is like 1000x better in that regard

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Sarcasm?

Not thar I agree that decent frame-rate doenst make any gaming experience much better. However, none of the Souls games became this popular because of IQ or framerate.

 

[mattp]

More success means higher visibility means higher expectations!

It's the natural order of the world. It's why there's a very real backlash to the tech in the recent Telltale games. More exposure and commercial success automatically lead to higher expectations for future entries.

but, telltale's games are pretty shit technically, artistically, and from a game design perspective. theyre also buggy as fuck and the bugs rarely get fixed

from's games are maybe not technical marvels, but they rarely are broken. and they are MASSIVE artistic and game design achievements

not comparable

 

[Primethius]

Why does people caring about something you don't annoy you?

People aren't 'concern trolling' when the game legitimately seems to have major aliasing issues and point it out. Many people have said they bought the PS4 because its the more powerful console and probably expect that things like IQ are going to be decent, at least on the exclusive titles, so lets not play the victim game here.

Nobody is saying they aren't buying the game anymore or that it doesn't look fun because of it. But its still disappointing compared to the standards of other PS4 exclusives.

The aliasing bit is valid. People however are concern trolling when they mention downgrades. You've gone ahead and ignored the other half of the thread when it comes to that bit.

Edit: Done with thread? Convenient.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Frame rate has an very low impact on how good this game is going to be.

It's certainly one of the least interesting topics in gaming to discuss.

I guess that's kinda true, like DkS has horrible horrible frame rate problems and it's still fun. But it's also probably the most significant thing graphically, because it also effects gameplay. I still don't even bother trying to go through Blighttown the normal way, because the frame rate problems make crossing those moving bridges finicky. It's a big deal.

 

[Mermandala]

The OT is going to be batshit.

BEASTSHIT CRAZY

 

[Haunted]

oh ffs the framerate on the video is fine. Do you even remeber DeS and DaS on ps3? this thing is like 1000x better in that regard

If it were a 1000x better, it would run at 15000-20000 frames per second.

 

[Lux R7]

We've had three games in Medieval times now, and by the end of DS2 I was a bit...fatigued

I'm glad they're trying something new with the franchise, but at the same time feels familiar, if you know what I mean

no, ok, i understand the reasons behind the change of setting.
really, it's ok.
I'm just the kind of person that wants more of the thing he likes, instead of something new. (it's just me).
But i can see their reasons, really.
This game will be great.
But, maybe, i'ts not my thing.
We'll see.

 

[Karu]

Great footage. Just love the atmosphere and general presence of the world & characters.

As always I'm a bit worried paying full price, since I'm not the most prolific gamer. First impressions with Dark Souls were good though. 30, 40 bucks and I might be in. Will see what I'm doing during its time of release.

 

[AAK]

Are they targeting 30fps? This doesnt look particularly amazing, I would think the PS4 could do this game in 60.

Did your PS4 cost like $800? Where do some of you get these kind of expectations?

 

[Servbot24]

Sarcasm?

Not at all. Dark Souls is one of my favorite games ever, Blight Town included. Played it on PC and loved it to more or less the same degree as when I first played on PS3.

Design is what makes games memorable and gives them emotional impact. Not frame rate and IQ.

 

[Fdkn]

If it were a 1000x better, it would run at 15000 frames per second.

yeah I was being literal with the number.

c'mon