YESSSS x2! AVATAR trailer #2 is NOW LIVE!!!! (mark ALL spoilers)
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krypt0nian
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Still no teaser news?
FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOU.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Forgot to add this picture. Bitches leave.
Also, that article is worth the bump. $300million is a lot of money.
Also, that article is worth the bump. $300million is a lot of money.
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And now we've gotDMczaf said:
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That figure has to include R&D.
PhoenixDark
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Write it down: this movie won't make $300 million in the US
Tim the Wiz
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I doubt Avatar will flop, but that $300 million figure is huge.
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PhoenixDark said:
write it down: this movie will make 300$ in california alone
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This movie is certain to bomb: it is sci-fi.
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Ether_Snake said:
Seriously. When was the last time a scifi movie made anywhere close to $300M at the box office? I'm pretty sure that there aren't any.
PhoenixDark
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Not just sci-fi: sci-fi with not one big name actor. I'm far from convinced hordes of people will see this movie because the guy who directed Titanic/T2 is behind it. Directors don't sell blockbusters
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PhoenixDark said:
Yeah. Who would have thought that the company who released the GAMECUBE would come back with a massive fucking hit? Nobody
Word of mouth is an extremely powerful thing, both good and bad. And if AVATAR turns out to be the revolution it is hyped up to be, then people will catch on, and they don't give a fuck who directed it.
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Does anyone else agree with this?Jtwo said:
Didn't he spearhead a lot of projects to develop new technology that will be used in countless pictures down the road?
SCULLIBUNDO
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All you detractors and naysayers need to ask yourself if the criticism you're about to make was or could have been said about Titanic. The answer will almost always be yes. If not - great. Otherwise stfu - I can't believe people are doubting Cameron as somebody who can engineer a blockbuster.
I still think back on the Entertainment Weekly article about the Titanic sinking again, after the delays and the $200m price tag. The movie was doomed was the gist.jett said:
Or how back when T2 was the first movie to break the $100m barrier, and they said it would never make it's budget back.
And yet people keep underestimating Cameron.
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msdstc said:
Yeah, I think the doom and gloom predictions are over-the-top. In fact, given the history of accuracy GAF predictions have, I'd be ready to back Avatar to make back its budget and then some. Don't know if it'll be double or triple or anything that crazy, but I doubt it'll be the bomb many people are assuming it to be.
Scullibundo said:
You keep bringing up Titanic, Sculli, so I ask you this: do you honestly think lightning is going to strike twice?
This movie has NOTHING on Titanic in terms of a pre-release checklist for success. Titanic was based on the most famous shipwreck ever (that gets you the history fans), had a love story intertwined (that makes it a date movie), and starred Leo DiCaprio (which got you legions of teenage girls with lots of time to see it many times).
Avatar is almost the opposite, seemingly a recipe for box office poison. Its sci-fi (deduct points), has no bankable stars (deduct points), and seems to really only play to James Cameron fans or geeks in general (deduct points).
Now Im not talking about this for myself, because I love Cameron and think the movie will hopefully rock, but for the people who actually make movies profitable, the public at large. Titanic is so much marketable and such an easier sell.
Yeah and theres many people that love his movies,but don't know who made it,when it comes to T2 its all about Ahnold,Titanic is all about Leo,Avatar could launch Sam Worthington into super stardom but that remains to be seen.Solo said:
Lets see,300m budget,sci-fi,no huge movie star,a director who's last movie was 12 years ago,3D etc.
I'm rooting for it and I want it to be popular,but almost EVERYTHING is against it,I'm expecting this to bomb.
Well looking forward to it anyway.
Your actually comparing it too a movie that has Disney backing it,Jack Sparrow one of the most popular and loved characters of all time,played by Johnny Depp no less,featuring heart throb Orlando Bloom,popular actress and known hottie Knightley,plus its a sequel to two very popular and well received movies,and an easier to swallow setting for the mass audience,plus it was supposed to be an end to an amazingly popular franchise.
Did you read what you typed?
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Solo said:
Yes, all those things look pointedly obvious in retrospect, but at the time Titanic was HEAVILY ridiculed for its $200 million budget and overlong production time. It never succeeded on marketability, but rather on word of mouth. Aliens, Terminator 2, The Abyss, True Lies. This guy has a history of turning high-budget genre films into blockbuster successes with many people, even on set, doubting the chances. Pragmatism is fine, but I think Cameron deserves some faith.
joey_z said:
No doubt, but Iron Man didnt have a $300M budget. Its all about profitability. A movie could make only $25M at the box office and be a rousing success because it had a budget of $1M. But then another movie could make $150M and be a disaster because its budget was $250M.
Blah. Blah. Blah.
Don't tell me. Show me. I'm sick of all this bollocks. I don't give a fuck what these guys say. If they thought it was a big fat headache inducing average bust they wouldn't actually say that would they? It's a professional courtesy if nothing else.
I don't see then why people take such things as gospel. Just PR and marketing by another name. Cameron may be a perfectionist and that's very admirable but at the end of the day he's making a rod for his own back as every passing day sees the 'Emperor's New Clothes' tag associated with this project becoming more apt.
I don't think that this is the last time we'll hear Avatar being referenced or compared to the Spruce Goose before it comes out.
Don't tell me. Show me. I'm sick of all this bollocks. I don't give a fuck what these guys say. If they thought it was a big fat headache inducing average bust they wouldn't actually say that would they? It's a professional courtesy if nothing else.
I don't see then why people take such things as gospel. Just PR and marketing by another name. Cameron may be a perfectionist and that's very admirable but at the end of the day he's making a rod for his own back as every passing day sees the 'Emperor's New Clothes' tag associated with this project becoming more apt.
I don't think that this is the last time we'll hear Avatar being referenced or compared to the Spruce Goose before it comes out.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Solo said:
You disappoint me Solo. Sure, in hindsight Titanic looks profitable when you list everything that actually happened, but at the time the movie was considered box office poison and you know it. You had a 3 hour long chick flick, set in 1912 where everybody dies at the end - there is NOTHING that spelt less Hollywood success than that. Nobody could have forseen what you list now bankable.
And those even clamouring that the movie won't bomb because of Cameron's name are wrong. It's true that the public at large aren't going to think twice when seeing Cameron's name. What matters is that Cameron knows how to make an event movie and this will be a fucking event movie - the word of mouth will start it's bank - whilst the fact that it's a film that one is unable to experience at home/and is entirely new/original will give it the legs of repeated viewings.
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