YESSSS x2! AVATAR trailer #2 is NOW LIVE!!!! (mark ALL spoilers)

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James Cameron comments on the trailer rumours. Also we're not getting one at ShoWest. :(

Harry,

Good to hear from you. As usual the rumor mill is grinding out mostly spurious stuff. I have no plans at present to go to Showest, and in any event we have decided not to unveil material there.

As to the trailer story, I have no idea where that came from but I haven't rejected any trailers (yet) since I haven't seen any yet. They're still working on them for presentation, which presumably will be soon. I'm sure I'll reject a couple once I have the chance. Right now I'm just focused on having a movie to sell.

The cut is shaping up nicely and the stuff coming in from Weta Digital is astonishing. Every once in a while, as we are absorbed in some intensely detailed discussion about sub-surface scattering or the way a tail is moving in the animation, I'll just stop and have this moment of clarity, as if seeing it for the first time. And I realize that's what the lunar astronauts must have felt like. They'd be in the middle of some complex set of procedures and they'd look out the window and go "Oh, yeah. That's the frickin' moon!" It feels like that.

Anyway, back to the grind.

Jim out
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Kagari said:
Still thinking it'll be a 2010 release.
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Still don't know why you keep bringing this up. The last delay wasn't actually up to Cameron - he was going to have it ready for MAY. FOX decided to delay it to give more time for 3D screens to prop up.
 
uhhhhhhh, you are wrong. Avatar wont be sitting on a shelf from May onwards. I think you will find that post will run until October.
Holiday 09 is still looking likely.
 
Templar Wizard said:
uhhhhhhh, you are wrong. Avatar wont be sitting on a shelf from May onwards. I think you will find that post will run until October.
Holiday 09 is still looking likely.
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Uhhhhhhh, I never suggested production would be stopped - only that we would have had the movie earlier had FOX not set the delay. Cameron relished the idea of more time to work and perfect the film, but rushed or not, it would have had a MAY release had FOX not delayed it.
 
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
 
This thread reminds me of the gaming side. "Okay, they didn't show it at the last big convention, but they're totally gonna show it at the next one! They have to!"
 
Dan said:
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
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You just don't understand... but one day... you will.
 
Dan said:
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
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the ignorance here is intolerable. he never said it was like walking on the moon. he basically states that seeing the product of his intense hard work was extremely gratifying, much like an astronaut when in space or something. the man has been working on this for what, a decade? i dont know how long, but hes gotta feel a shitload of pride seeing it in action.
 
Dan said:
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
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I think you're reading too much into this. :lol
 
Ashhong said:
the ignorance here is intolerable. he never said it was like walking on the moon. he basically states that seeing the product of his intense hard work was extremely gratifying, much like an astronaut when in space or something. the man has been working on this for what, a decade? i dont know how long, but hes gotta feel a shitload of pride seeing it in action.
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He says that when he and his team take a step back from the details and see the whole of their creation, that it must feel like what the lunar astronauts felt when they realized they were on the moon. Really? Really? I think he could have found an analogy that didn't involve one of the greatest scientific accomplishments of all time.

I'm just so sick of this guy talking and not showing anything. Silence would be better, because it'd let the movie speak for itself when it's finally glimpsed, but instead it's just going up against his claims of it being the greatest fucking thing ever.
 
Dan said:
He says that when he and his team take a step back from the details and see the whole of their creation, that it must feel like what the lunar astronauts felt when they realized they were on the moon. Really? Really? I think he could have found an analogy that didn't involve one of the greatest scientific accomplishments of all time.

I'm just so sick of this guy talking and not showing anything. Silence would be better, because it'd let the movie speak for itself when it's finally glimpsed, but instead it's just going up against his claims of it being the greatest fucking thing ever.
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1. he never said his team feels that way.
2. never said they were on the moon. maybe they were in space LOOKING at the moon. details woman.

pride is subjective. obviously its not as great as the moon, but getting worked up over it is even dumber.
 
Dan said:
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
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has anyone ever seen James Cameron and Peter Molyneux in the same room together? Hmm...
 
Well, I thought the moon landing was a pretty impressive display of set design and computer generated imagery. Perhaps the comparison isn't too far fetched?
 
Dan said:
Yay, another update with James Cameron talking about how awesome he and his movie are. Then he compares being on his set with what it felt like to WALK ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON.

Goddamn, I love Cameron's movies but he needs to shut the fuck up. It's way beyond just annoying arrogance now. It's intolerable.
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KevinCow said:
This thread reminds me of the gaming side. "Okay, they didn't show it at the last big convention, but they're totally gonna show it at the next one! They have to!"
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I've gotta admit, that letter did seem a little Peter Molyneuxish...:lol

I'm a "believer", but only because I really want this project to succeed (The entire premise is literally lodge right up my alley), but I honestly can't say whether or not I know for certain that Cameron still "has it" or not. I should probably just read the script.
 
Scullibundo said:
Uhhhhhhh, I never suggested production would be stopped - only that we would have had the movie earlier had FOX not set the delay. Cameron relished the idea of more time to work and perfect the film, but rushed or not, it would have had a MAY release had FOX not delayed it.
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sorry to spoil your fanboi authority on this subject, but i know for a FACT it would NOT have made May, Fox decision or no.
 
Scullibundo said:
Harry Knowles has been in contact with Cameron via his PR people since Cameron announced Project 880 (which was revealed to be AVATAR) back in 05.
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Fixed. I never believed in Harry Knowles and his 'personal connection' with some Hollywood talent. If Harry has these people's home phone numbers then perhaps. But what does he have? A e-mail address that their PA's pick up and a number for their office.

Pfft. Fat Harry Knowles is too busy trying to convince the people that read his site that's he's on the 'inside' when in fact he's anything but.

Scullibundo said:
Also we're not getting one at ShoWest.
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I have a (horrible) feeling that this is not insignificant.

Templar Wizard said:
sorry to spoil your fanboi authority on this subject, but i know for a FACT it would NOT have made May, Fox decision or no.
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Umm, excuse me. But who would know better than someone who incessantly makes largely redundant threads about the film on GAF?
 
Titanic was delayed from a summer release to holiday. Cameron also gave up his director paid at the time due to budget overrun. It was a good move, it generated positiove buzz of the film.

I can not wait for the film, J. Cameron is the my personal favorite director.
 
Kagari said:
Still thinking it'll be a 2010 release.
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Yeah it's weird that they haven't shown ANYTHING so far, not even a bullshit shows-nothing-from-the-movie teaser.

Scullibundo said:
Still don't know why you keep bringing this up. The last delay wasn't actually up to Cameron - he was going to have it ready for MAY. FOX decided to delay it to give more time for 3D screens to prop up.
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Ahaha you really think movie was going to be finished by May?
 
Interview with Michelle Rodriguez.

Q: How did James Cameron find you?

Michelle Rodriguez: James saw me in “Girlfight.” It's that movie. It's the only movie I was ever a lead in, and I guess I did a good job because people watched it and liked it.

Q: Can you talk about your character in Avatar?

Michelle Rodriguez: I'm basically a pilot, a pilot in another planet.

Q: How was it being directed by Cameron?

Michelle Rodriguez: Are you fucking kidding me? That guy is so amazing. He thinks in 12 dimensions at all times. That’s what I love about him. You could sit there and you could talk for hours about the advancements in molecular science or you could sit there and you can talk about mythology and story building, character building. You could talk about cameras, the history of film, the history of Russia. You could talk about flying to another planet. You could talk about space research. You could talk about underwater adventures. You could talk about how he constructed special technology for underwater adventures. Or you could sit there and talk to him about how he developed his own fricking cameras with his brother. I mean, like, this guy is a genius.

Q: Have you seen the footage and how does it look?

Michelle Rodriguez: This is the beauty of working with that technology. You know, the majority of the time when you work on something that’s greenscreened, from my experience from watching behind the scenes or having my little touch of greenscreen in “S.W.A.T.” or something, you get to see what you’ve done immediately and have something to work off of. The majority of time when people work in a movie with greenscreen you don’t have that. You don’t have the ability to go and see what you just did. So, you’re working with a golf ball or you’re working with an “X” on a green wall and you’re just hoping that you’ve really hit your mark interacting with this. You’re just kind of trying to remember as much of your make-believe time at the age of 5 as you possibly could to get you through it. But, with this technology that he’s got, you just go there and you see what you’re interacting with right there because it’s a mixture of live 3D footage, the props on the set, and the virtual world that he spent God knows how long creating. It's fucking amazing. It's hardcore. I can't even imagine anything bigger.

Q: Are you looking forward to being in one of the most anticipated films of the year and can you talk a little bit about the expectations that go with that?

Michelle Rodriguez: Me? You know what? I’d serve James Cameron coffee every day for four years and I would consider that college. I don't give a rat's ass how people receive whatever we did. I am just incredibly honored to have been seen by him and for him to like keep me in mind for a project that he's had for the last, what, eight years? To call me up and say, "Hey, I want you to be a part of this," no matter what anybody says, because everybody was talking so much schmack about me, and it's so hard to get a job when all these people are talking shit about you in the press, just because you're growing up. You know, I used to poop in my pants too, and I learned how to use the bathroom eventually. People were so hard on me, so it's really important for me to have individuals that get it, that know, that can see in my eyes or see me on screen and know what I'm capable of and not be scared to hire me because of some commercial hoopla that people are saying. That was very important.

Q: In light of that, how would you assess your career and your life from your point of view?

Michelle Rodriguez: I’m very happy. I wouldn’t take back anything.

“Avatar” opens in theaters on December 18th. Look for our upcoming interview with Michelle for “Fast and Furious” which opens in theaters on April 3rd.
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Scullibundo said:
Still don't know why you keep bringing this up. The last delay wasn't actually up to Cameron - he was going to have it ready for MAY. FOX decided to delay it to give more time for 3D screens to prop up.
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Like jett said... there's been NOTHING. No trailers, no screenshots... And yes I know Titanic was delayed a few times, but at least they had trailers early on even touting a summer 1997 release.

I find it curious that when you search IMDB now by monthly releases for this year, Avatar is no longer in December... it used to be there, by the way.
 
Kagari said:
Like jett said... there's been NOTHING. No trailers, no screenshots... And yes I know Titanic was delayed a few times, but at least they had trailers early on even touting a summer 1997 release.

I find it curious that when you search IMDB now by monthly releases for this year, Avatar is no longer in December... it used to be there, by the way.
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Because we all know IMDB is the source for all legit information about releases.
 
Scullibundo said:
Because we all know IMDB is the source for all legit information about releases.
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Okay well... if Avatar somehow makes it out this year, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong and what not. But if it doesn't... well, I'll just say I told you so ;)
 
until they actually "show" me something, they can kiss my grits. You would think we would have at least a BS teaser by now or something, but nope. Just them running their mouths. Thread title should be changed from "coming soon" to "coming eventually."
 
We've gone from t-shirts to Cameron comparing what they are doing to astronauts and Michelle Rodriguez wanting to serve Cameron coffee for a living.
 
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1886541-1,00.html

The lights dim in the screening room. Suddenly, the doomed Titanic fills the screen--but not the way I remember in the movie. The luxury liner is nearly vertical, starting its slide into the black Atlantic, and Leonardo DiCaprio is hanging on for life, just like always. But this time, I am too. The camera pans to the icy water far below, pulling me into the scene--the sensation reminds me of jerking awake from a dream--and I grip the sides of my seat to keep from falling into the drink.

Most of us have seen the top-grossing film of all time. But not like this. The new version, still in production, was remade in digital 3-D, a technology that's finally bringing a true third dimension to movies. Without giving you a headache. (See the 100 best movies of all time.)

Had digital 3-D been available a dozen or so years ago when he shot Titanic, he'd have used it, director James Cameron tells me later. "But I didn't have it at the time," he says ruefully. "Certainly every film I'm planning to do will be in 3-D."

Digital 3-D, which has slowly been gaining steam over the past few years, is finally ready for its closeup. Just about every top director and major studio is doing it--a dozen movies are slated to arrive this year, with dozens more in the works for 2010 and beyond. These are not just animations but live-action films, comedies, dramas and documentaries. Cameron is currently shooting a live-action drama, Avatar, for Fox in 3-D. Disney and its Pixar studio are releasing five 3-D movies this year alone, including a 3-D-ified version of Toy Story. George Lucas hopes to rerelease his Star Wars movies in 3-D. And Steven Spielberg is currently shooting Tintin in it, with Peter Jackson doing the 3-D sequel next year. Live sports and rock concerts in 3-D have been showing up at digital theaters around the U.S. nearly every week.

With the release on March 27 of Monsters vs. Aliens, Jeffrey Katzenberg, the head of DreamWorks Animation SKG, is betting the future of his studio on digital 3-D. While he's not the first to embrace the technology, he has become its most vocal evangelist, asserting that digital 3-D is now good enough to make it--after sound and color--the third sea change to affect movies. "This really is a revolution," he says.

Over the past few years, Katzenberg has repositioned DreamWorks as a 3-D-animation company. From Monsters on, all its movies will be made, natively, in 3-D. (Many animation studios create the 3-D effect in postproduction.) That's a pretty big commitment since 3-D involves even more computer power than usual. The DreamWorks crew invokes "Shrek's law," which holds that every sequel takes about twice as long to render--create a final image from models--as the movie that preceded it. Authoring the movie in 3-D effectively doubles the time called for by Shrek's law.

That requires an extreme amount of horsepower--the computational power of DreamWorks' render farm puts it roughly among the 15 fastest supercomputers on the planet. The studio partnered with Hewlett-Packard and Intel and built an enormous test bed on more than 17,500 sq. ft. in California. The Silicon Valley companies are hot on 3-D because they believe it's how people will navigate the Web and the desktops of their PCs and that it will be standard on computers and HDTVs.

At DreamWorks, I watched a Monsters filmmaker peer through an elaborate camera rig that allowed him to "previsualize" a scene before shooting it. As he panned across the room we were standing in, he flew over a computer-generated 3-D image of the White House war room--the set for a scene in which the President (voiced by Stephen Colbert) meets with his staff to discuss an alien invasion. The camera let the director precisely manage the z-axis and decide which elements in the background, midground and foreground needed to be lit and focused.

Katzenberg says going 3-D adds about 15% to his costs--which is nothing compared with the profits studios anticipate as the digital transformation takes hold. Digital 3-D movies usually gross at least three times as much as their flat-world counterparts--thanks in part to the higher ticket prices and longer runs they garner. Another benefit: 3-D films are far more difficult for digital-camera-toting moviegoers to pirate. (See pictures of movie costumes.)

Beyond the venal, however, filmmakers say that 3-D, like sound and color, really breaks down the barrier between audience and movie. "At some level, I believe that almost any movie benefits from 3-D," Lord of the Rings director Jackson says. "As a filmmaker, I want you to suspend disbelief and get lost in the film--participate in the film rather than just observe it. On that level, 3-D can only help."

3-D Movies, Take 8
If the return of the 3-D movie sounds like a rerun, that's because it is. By some counts, this is 3-D's eighth incarnation, and to date, it hasn't exactly revolutionized the industry. The first stereoscopic movies appeared in the U.S. before the last Great Depression, disappeared, then enjoyed a schmaltzy revival in the 1950s with such blockbusters as House of Wax (1953). They've cropped up intermittently ever since, typically attached to high-camp vehicles like Andy Warhol's Frankenstein (1973).

"To me, 3-D has always been the circus coming to town," says Daniel Symmes, a 3-D historian and film-industry veteran. Symmes worked on the soft-core 3-D hit The Stewardesses, which was produced in 1969 for around $100,000. It grossed more than $27 million, making it the most profitable 3-D movie ever. Symmes scoffs at today's digital 3-D and its big budgets and says it's déjà vu. "Does the circus stay around?" he says. "No. If it does, attendance drops off, the novelty is gone and the circus goes away."

But proponents say digital 3-D is a different animal from the analog stuff that came before 2005. Viewers often wore cardboard glasses with red and cyan cellophane lenses (similar to but somewhat different from what you see in this magazine). As just about everyone knows, old-school 3-D was less than awesome. Colors looked washed out. Some viewers got headaches. A few vomited. "Making your customers sick is not a recipe for success," Katzenberg likes to say.

It was cumbersome to produce too. In the old days, two 65-mm, 150-lb. film cameras--each shooting the same scene in sync--were used to make a 3-D picture. The gap between the lenses simulates the space between our eyes, adding space perception. But with film, you never knew how the shot would turn out until later.

The birth of high-definition, digital filmmaking changed all that. Cameron and an associate, Vince Pace, developed the 3-D-capable Fusion camera system, which is cheaper, smaller--13 lb. each--and way more versatile than the old film rigs. "Every movie I made, up until Tintin, I always kept one eye closed when I've been framing a shot," Spielberg told me. That's because he wanted to see the movie in 2-D, the way moviegoers would. "On Tintin, I have both of my eyes open."

A Beverly Hills company called Real D took the lead on the theater side. It leases out a kind of digital shutter system that sits in front of digital projectors, alternating the two views of each frame 144 times per sec.--fast enough to achieve stereovision. The new system uses polarization, rather than color-coding. Gone are the completely cheesy cardboard glasses, replaced with slightly less cheesy disposable plastic-frame glasses that have gray lenses. "Someday," predicts Katzenberg, "people will buy their own movie glasses, which they'll take to the movies--like people have their own tennis rackets."

Even if you're willing to grant him the glasses, there's still one problem. For digital 3-D to work, the movie theater must first convert from analog to digital--that is, from reels of film to data feeds. Theaters have been slow to do it, citing the expense and security. Disney chairman Dick Cook is credited with breaking the initial logjam with Chicken Little in 2005. About 75 theaters converted to digital to show the film, and a surprising thing happened: 3-D theaters reported three to four times the box-office gross as those that showed the 2-D version. (All 3-D movies can easily be stepped down to 2-D and are typically shown in both forms.) That was the jump start digital 3-D needed. Katzenberg predicts that more than 2,000 theaters will be 3-D-ready by this week. (See the top 10 movie performances of 2008.)

But in this economy, will people spend as much as $15 a ticket for a movie? Katzenberg is optimistic, pointing out that consumers are cutting back on everything but cheap entertainment. "The movies have been the greatest beneficiary of this," he says. "So to offer a new, exciting premium version of a bargain will be a big winner."

The Future of 3-D
Cameron's Avatar, due in December, could be the thing that forces theaters to convert to digital. Spielberg predicts it will be the biggest 3-D live-action film ever. More than a thousand people have worked on it, at a cost in excess of $300 million, and it represents digital filmmaking's bleeding edge. Cameron wrote the treatment for it in 1995 as a way to push his digital-production company to its limits. ("We can't do this," he recalled his crew saying. "We'll die.") He worked for years to build the tools he needed to realize his vision. The movie pioneers two unrelated technologies--e-motion capture, which uses images from tiny cameras rigged to actors' heads to replicate their expressions, and digital 3-D.

Avatar is filmed in the old "Spruce Goose" hangar, the 16,000-sq.-ft. space where Howard Hughes built his wooden airplane. The film is set in the future, and most of the action takes place on a mythical planet, Pandora. The actors work in an empty studio; Pandora's lush jungle-aquatic environment is computer-generated in New Zealand by Jackson's special-effects company, Weta Digital, and added later.

I couldn't tell what was real and what was animated--even knowing that the 9-ft.-tall blue, dappled dude couldn't possibly be real. The scenes were so startling and absorbing that the following morning, I had the peculiar sensation of wanting to return there, as if Pandora were real.

Cameron wasn't surprised. One theory, he says, is that 3-D viewing "is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2-D viewing doesn't." His own theory is that stereoscopic viewing uses more neurons. That's possible. After watching all that 3-D, I was a bit wiped out. I was also totally entertained.
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I never knew it was being filmed in Hughes' Spruce Goose Hanger :lol: Awesome.
 
pringles said:
That would be awesome, I loved Waterworld.
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That would not be awesome, because then Cameron would not be trusted with such a large budget again in the near future.

Even Cameron's reputation would not be able to withstand the impact of a $300 million flop.



I'm a huge fan of Waterworld personally
 
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