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[Dany]

I see no reason why I wouldn't date a trans man.

 

[Aiustis]

It's this kind of malice and vitriol that prevents others from taking your perspective and empathizing with you. Again, you are lumping all of the cisgendered (I can't stand that word) males into one category of being thoughtless implicitly bigoted assholes.

As one of those cisgendered males, how fucking dare you? I try my damndest to be as empathic as possible to every race/creed/gender imaginable. But when I am continually highlighted as a bigot, racist, transphobe, or whatever it infuriates me.

Try understanding that we are not all alike. I give you and others that same benefit and it's really egregious when that same respect is not returned because you fell insulted by a handful of people and choose to extrapolate that to a whole population.

I don't think you're understanding what was said. Also there is a lot of heinous shit in this thread and the kind of micro aggression that trans folk deal with everyday. Grow some thicker skin the rest of us have.

 

[Faustek]

He said he didn't know a better word to use. I was answering that question. That's all. Obviously, I'm not going to ban someone simply because they quoted someone else's language accurately.

I was quoting yes but if I actually hurt someone in would prefer to just leave it be. One of my favorite casters is apparently transgender and I would hate to make her sad.

Started googling around just to figure it out and people are still horrible to each other :/ And I feel old.

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Sorry but about the education part.
What exactly? I personally have seen it in my own field of racism but I think I'm misunderstanding things or do people really want others to read up about how horrible people are being at <minority>*. I know I can only speak for myself but that sounds weird. I rather try to remind people that we're all human and we all deserves respect and need to be able to love whoever as long as we're not hurting anyone. And existing is never a crime.


*Minority does not refer to ethnicity here. Hope that is okay.

 

[Erin S Kittens]

It's this kind of malice and vitriol that prevents others from taking your perspective and empathizing with you. Again, you are lumping all of the cisgendered (I can't stand that word) males into one category of being thoughtless implicitly bigoted assholes.

As one of those cisgendered males, how fucking dare you? I try my damndest to be as empathic as possible to every race/creed/gender imaginable. But when I am continually highlighted as a bigot, racist, transphobe, or whatever it infuriates me.

Try understanding that we are not all alike. I give you and others that same benefit and it's really egregious when that same respect is not returned because you fell insulted by a handful of people and choose to extrapolate that to a whole population.

Tone policing serves only to derail, and you took the opportunity to make it all about you and your privileged feelings as a cisgender male. Congratulations. "Malice and vitriol" aside (if you must), my point stands.

 

[Kinsei]

Please don't lie, He was born a male and went through hormone treatment to make himself appear more feminine.

So we're back to this shit, huh?

 

[RockTurtle]

See, this is why we can't have nice things. I know some of you are going to take objection to this and tone police me to avoid addressing the message, but let's just call it what it is. This thread is a monument to pervasive cisgender male privilege from a group of people who won't acknowledge it exists and don't understand how fucking evil it is to live in this world full of oppressive, ignorant people as a trans individual. So many people in this thread, speculating about what it's like to be transgender, projecting all of their misguided preconceptions and prejudices into it, just having a huge privileged circlejerk, trying to take the role as the gatekeepers to our humanity. Desexualizing us, ignorantly defining us, ignorantly attempting to speak to our experiences, going off outdated stereotypes. This thread is completely fucking littered with uneducated opinions from people who dare to tell trans-identified individuals that their perspectives and experiences have no place in this conversation. People calling for things that are a 'little bigoted' to be glossed over rather than called out. Even the cisgender people who seem to mean well are, largely, not educated on the subject and feeling free to speak to the trans experience as if they are. It's disgusting and disturbing. Cissexism and transphobia (particularly transmisogny) are problematic, bigoted societal norms, and so many of you are perpetuating them and acting as if it's legit to be an oppressive asshole.

A significant portion of the transgender community prefer to partner up within the queer/trans community for a lot of different reasons, but having an astronomically higher chance of being treated and seen as a human being instead of a litmus test for all your fucking insecurities and ignorances is high on that list.



The person Mumei was quoting asked for clarification.

People (not everyone, but most) are posting their hangups, preferences, and justifications for their desires.

You don't have to like them, you may not agree with them, but you have to take it for what it is. They know what attracts them and why. Trying to change their likes and dislikes by deeming their subjective preferences as bigoted is bordering a sense of entitlement i haven't seen before.

nobody is entitled to be liked. nobody is entitled to share your view of what is fair game for attraction. You are allowed to feel frustrated. But that's no justification for someone else to change their innate desires to accommodate some grand ideal.

 

[Petrie]

So we're back to this shit, huh?

This "shit" is factually correct, because science can't yet get us beyond that. Hopefully one day it can.

 

[Erin S Kittens]

People (not everyone, but most) are posting their hangups, preferences, and justifications for their desires.

You don't have to like them, you may not agree with them, but you have to take it for what it is. They know what attracts them and why. Trying to change their likes and dislikes by deeming their subjective preferences as bigoted is bordering a sense of entitlement i haven't seen before.

nobody is entitled to be liked. nobody is entitled to share your view of what is fair game for attraction. You are allowed to feel frustrated. But that's no justification for someone else to change their innate desires to accommodate some grand ideal.

You didn't address what I said, and seem to have fundamentally misunderstood the point. Read it again. I certainly didn't advocate for people changing their likes or dislikes.

Sorry but about the education part.
What exactly? I personally have seen it in my own field of racism but I think I'm misunderstanding things or do people really want others to read up about how horrible people are being at <minority>*. I know I can only speak for myself but that sounds weird. I rather try to remind people that we're all human and we all deserves respect and need to be able to love whoever as long as we're not hurting anyone. And existing is never a crime.


*Minority does not refer to ethnicity here. Hope that is okay.

Racism, sexism, and transphobia are intersectionally related struggles--the intersection is transmisogynoir, which manifests in the disproportionately awful epidemic of Black trans women who are murdered every year around the world. People don't understand, this isn't a fucking game. Human lives are on the line, and people who can't even be bothered to educate themselves contribute to the systemic murder of trans individuals, directly or indirectly. And, yes, transgender-spectrum folks are a hierarchically oppressed minority.

 

[Faustek]

nobody is entitled to be liked. nobody is entitled to share your view of what is fair game for attraction. You are allowed to feel frustrated. But that's no justification for someone else to change their innate desires to accommodate some grand ideal.

Everyone deserves to be liked preferably loved. Even the most *evil* bastards needs love else all hope may truly be lost.

 

[King Cobra]

So we're back to this shit, huh?

Is that what we are calling the truth now? Can you please tell me how I am wrong instead of just babbling about not liking the truth because it goes against your feelings?

 

[Kinsei]

Is that what we are calling the truth now? Can you please tell me how I am wrong instead of just babbling about not liking the truth because it goes against your feelings?

Gender and sex are different. She is a she, not he.

 

[King Cobra]

Gender and sex are different. She is a she, not he.

I am refering to sex, do you want to make a wager at what his birth certificate says?

 

[RockTurtle]

Everyone deserves to be liked preferably loved. Even the most *evil* bastards needs love else all hope may truly be lost.

loved? sure. romantically? ehh...

 

[Faustek]

Please don't lie, He was born a male and went through hormone treatment to make himself appear more feminine.

With all our advancements within science would it not be disgraceful to not allow a person who feels that they where born with the wrong gender to correct this and finally be at peace within their own body? Can't you just accept that a girl might feel like they should be a he and might actually seek help to transcend their biological born predicament?

Man, I feel like I'm all wrong when typing. Do me a favour point it out if I come off as a dick. I thought I could jointed discussion late and the most bannings would have made the tone more preferable.

You didn't address what I said, and seem to have fundamentally misunderstood the point. Read it again. I certainly didn't advocate for people changing their likes or dislikes.



Racism, sexism, and transphobia are intersectionally related struggles--the intersection is transmisogynoir, which manifests in the disproportionately awful epidemic of Black trans women who are murdered every year around the world. People don't understand, this isn't a fucking game. Human lives are on the line, and people who can't even be bothered to educate themselves contribute to the systemic murder of trans individuals, directly or indirectly. And, yes, transgender-spectrum folks are a hierarchically oppressed minority.

That I, hope, everyone know. If they under understand.. I don't think they do.
When people seem you as subhuman I've come to understand that they view it the same as putting down a rabid dog. That's why, at least, I think it's better to try and get them to understand that we're all people.

But it would understand if no one would share my view. It's more than once I've had to remind myself that beating them to death wouldn't solve anything. That is might temporary stop this person from harassing their colleague that is a woman but if I just fire them(here's my dream where I beat them) they will never change so I rather five give them a second chance.... And fuck Here it is. I recommend the higher ups we hold seminars or send them on a educational seminar dealing with this.

Sorry, I feel stupid but it just clicked. Education. When saying education you mean understanding of the predicament minorities are actually living with. Not what the words stands for but what they actually mean.

Sorry again.

loved? sure. romantically? ehh...

I've seen obese bigoted shitheads turn around. Stopped hating on everyone, lose a whole other person in body weight just because they found someone who loved them and didn't want to put up with their *extra curricular* activities.

 

[Petrie]

Gender and sex are different. She is a she, not he.

That is one definition, and not the only one. You don't get to decide which definition other posters need to use.

The first definition according to merriam webster:

: the state of being male or female

Words that have clear definitions that someone who made a transition does not meet.

With all our advancements within science would it not be disgraceful to not allow a person who feels that they where born with the wrong gender to correct this and finally be at peace within their own body? Can't you just accept that a girl might feel like they should be a he and might actually seek help to transcend their biological born predicament?

Sure, and when science gets to a point where it can truly make that change, that will be a wonderful thing.

We are not there yet though.

 

[Kinsei]

I am refering to sex, do you want to make a wager at what his birth certificate says?

You say you mean sex yet continue to use the wrong gender pronouns. Either you're an idiot or an asshole, take your pick.

 

[Lesath]

This "shit" is factually correct, because science can't yet get us beyond that. Hopefully one day it can.

Stop misusing using science as a source. Person who made the original post (born male sex, female gender) had it correct, and the person who replied was wrong (male who decided to look more feminine).

 

[Mumei]

It's this kind of malice and vitriol that prevents others from taking your perspective and empathizing with you. Again, you are lumping all of the cisgendered (I can't stand that word) males into one category of being thoughtless implicitly bigoted assholes.

As one of those cisgendered males, how fucking dare you? I try my damndest to be as empathic as possible to every race/creed/gender imaginable. But when I am continually highlighted as a bigot, racist, transphobe, or whatever it infuriates me.

Try understanding that we are not all alike. I give you and others that same benefit and it's really egregious when that same respect is not returned because you fell insulted by a handful of people and choose to extrapolate that to a whole population.

As one of those cisgender males, I didn't think she was talking about me, specifically. If she was, I'm rather disappointed she didn't tell me before!

And she's pretty clearly talking about a specific subset of cis men who are displaying cissexism. If you are being continually highlighted as a bigot - maybe you're a bigot. I don't actually know; I haven't read your posts or seen you called out, but it could be true. It shouldn't make you mad when someone says that what you said is bigoted. It should make you think.

And the lack of respect for trans people in this thread is not a handful of people, but a large proportion. This is a good explanation of cissexism:

While all transgender people experience transphobia, transsexuals additionally experience a related (albeit distinct) form of prejudice: cissexism, which is the belief that transsexuals' identified genders are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of cissexuals (i.e., those people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their subconscious and physical selves as being aligned). The most common expression of cissexism occurs when people attempt to deny the transsexual the basic privileges that are associated with the trans person's self-identified gender. Common examples include purposeful misuse of pronouns or insisting that the trans person use a different restroom. The justification for this denial is generally founded on the assumption that the trans person's gender is not authentic because it does not correlate with the sex they were assigned at birth. In making this assumption, cissexists attempt to create an artificial hierarchy. By insisting that the trans person's gender is "fake," they attempt to validate their own gender as "real" or "natural." This sort of thinking is extraordinarily naive, as it denies a basic truth: We make assumptions every day about other people's gendres, without ever seeing their birth certificates, their chromosomes, their genitals, their reproductive systems, their childhood socialization, or their legal sex. There is no such thing as a "real" gender - there is only the gender experience ourselves as and the gender we perceive others to be.

Try rereading the thread, and tell me how many people you see making posts that have that as their underlying presumption: That the gender of trans women are less authentic, and how many try to present their own gender as "natural" or "real" while arguing that the genders of trans women are "fake" or "artificial." That's not respectful. There is no way to argue that and simultaneously argue that you've been respectful. It's contemptuous, whatever polite language it is dressed up in.

Unfortunately, confronting transphobia has done very little to ease cissexism, i.e. the belief that transsexual genders are less "real" or legitimate than cissexual genders. For me, this is most evident when I interact with people who accept my feminine behavior and female identity but adamantly draw the line when it comes to accepting my transsexual body.

Because most people have not come to terms with their own subconscious sex and its relation to their physical sex, they tend to experience unwarranted distress regarding sex/gender-variant bodies. Many people who say they favor transgender rights tend to balk when it means that they have to share a locker room or public shower with a transsexual. And plenty of people are supportive of their transgender friends and colleagues, but, hypocritically, would be disturbed if the person they were dating, sleeping with, or partnered to were to come out to them as transsexual. It is high time for gender-anxious cissexuals to look deep within themselves and ask why they choose to view transsexual bodies are unsettling or disturbing. How can they consider a physical body to be attractive or innocuous when it is assumed to be cissexual, then suddenly find it to be horrific or threatening upon the discovery that it is transsexual. And if such dramatically different responses can be elicited by the same human being under different circumstances, doesn't that indicate that the real difference resides in the cissexual mind and not in the transsexual body?

Once again, I am reminded of the 1980s, when it was popular for people in the earliest stages of accepting homosexuality to say, "I don't care what other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, just as long as they don't flaunt it in front of me." Today, it is obvious to most of us that such remarks are merely prejudice disguising itself as tolerance. Similarly, it is time for gender-anxious cissexuals to start comin to terms with their own thinly veiled cissexism, to ask themselves why they feel entitled to "flaunt" their cissexual bodies (e.g. to shamelessly talk about their femaleness or maleness, their body parts and their functions) or to take certain gendered rights for granted (e.g. using public restrooms, freely sharing their bodies with lovers without having to confess, come out, or explain anything) while simultaneously insisting that transsexual bodies remain hidden from their view or be held to different standards. Gender-anxious cissexuals must begin to admit that the issues they have with our transsexual bodies stem directly from their own insecurities, from their own fear of having their own genders and sexualities brought into question. So long as most cissexuals refuse to come to terms with their own blind spots - specifically their own subconscious sex- the countless subtle and not-so-subtle ways in which they objectify trans people and treat us as secondclass citizens will remain forever out of their view.

 

[Petrie]

Try rereading the thread, and tell me how many people you see making posts that have that as their underlying presumption: That the gender of trans women are less authentic, and how many try to present their own gender as "natural" or "real" while arguing that the genders of trans women are "fake" or "artificial." That's not respectful. There is no way to argue that and simultaneously argue that you've been respectful. It's contemptuous, whatever polite language it is dressed up in.

According to at least one definition of "gender" it isn't just less authentic, is is outright wrong. If we wan't to campaign to change the definitions accepted for words, I am all for that, but gender does not only mean the societal constructs around it. It has an alternate, and more commonly accepted, definition.

 

[Petrie]

You say you mean sex yet continue to use the wrong gender pronouns. Either you're an idiot or an asshole, take your pick.

"Gender" can in fact mean male or female, and not just societal constructs. You are the one being limiting by not accepting that the definition you choose to embrace isn't the only one, or even the most common one.

Stop misusing using science as a source. Person who made the original post (born male sex, female gender) had it correct, and the person who replied was wrong (male who decided to look more feminine).

No, the person replying was not wrong, by the most common definition of the word gender, the one certain people in this thread want to pretend doesn't exist.

"Sex" and "gender" are synonyms. Gender has an alternative definition, but that isn't the only one.

 

[KmA]

It's this kind of malice and vitriol that prevents others from taking your perspective and empathizing with you. Again, you are lumping all of the cisgendered (I can't stand that word) males into one category of being thoughtless implicitly bigoted assholes.

As one of those cisgendered males, how fucking dare you? I try my damndest to be as empathic as possible to every race/creed/gender imaginable. But when I am continually highlighted as a bigot, racist, transphobe, or whatever it infuriates me.

Try understanding that we are not all alike. I give you and others that same benefit and it's really egregious when that same respect is not returned because you fell insulted by a handful of people and choose to extrapolate that to a whole population.

This is too much. There are so many people in this thread claiming they are not bigots, racists, or transphobic with no hint of irony. That is literally what Erin is talking about. Cisgendered (wow I love that word) individuals, especially in this thread, cannot see why they are being offensive despite being repeatedly told why.

And you probably don't like the word cisgendered because it makes you feel alien and unusual. Wow I wonder what that's like.

 

[King Cobra]

With all our advancements within science would it not be disgraceful to not allow a person who feels that they where born with the wrong gender to correct this and finally be at peace within their own body? Can't you just accept that a girl might feel like they should be a he and might actually seek help to transcend their biological born predicament?

Man, I feel like I'm all wrong when typing. Do me a favour point it out if I come off as a dick. I thought I could jointed discussion late and the most bannings would have made the tone more preferable.

I am all for people feeling more comfortable that is not an issue with me, if someone was born a male and the feel that they were born into the wrong body that is perfectly fine. My problem is with dishonesty and playing around with semantics.

When you go through the process of naturalizing your passport will always say your place of birth despite your citizenship. When I asked what he was born as they lied by saying he was a she at birth, when all it would take is a look at his birth certificate to find out the contrary.

You say you mean sex yet continue to use the wrong gender pronouns. Either you're an idiot or an asshole, take your pick.

Maybe you're just to emotionally involved in this to discuss properly this without calling people names and throwing a hissy fit? Also I have never asked for gender, I am asking for someone's sex.

 

[collige]

I am all for people feeling more comfortable that is not an issue with me, if someone was born a male and the feel that they were born into the wrong body that is perfectly fine. My problem is with dishonesty and playing around with semantics.

Gender pronouns aren't "playing around with semantics", they're one of the most basic of gender distinctions in our society. If you really want to make people comfortable, using the right pronoun is the least you can do.

 

[Petrie]

Maybe you're just to emotionally involved in this to discuss properly this without calling people names and throwing a hissy fit?

They're simply choosing to disregard an entire definition of the word "gender", which is even a synonym for the word "sex", the term they claim you should be using.

Simply going to avoid pronouns here.

 

[Anastasia]

Please don't lie, He was born a male and went through hormone treatment to make himself appear more feminine.

I'm not "lying." When you're trans, there is a disconnect between your gender sex and your gender identity. And from that comes gender dysphoria. I know because I live with it every day. I would appreciate it if you would at least be more respectful. That includes using the correct pronoun as well. She is a "she," not a he.

 

[Lesath]

According to at least one definition of "gender" it isn't just less authentic, is is outright wrong. If we wan't to campaign to change the definitions accepted for words, I am all for that, but gender does not only mean the societal constructs around it. It has an alternate, and more commonly accepted, definition.

Your "facts" are largely semantic and utilize Merriam-Webster. Mine are actually based on differentiations that scientists actually make and more accurately reflects reality. If you want to get into word lawyering in order to avoid classifying transgendered individuals by their preferred gender, I think I am in thr stronger position here.

 

[Petrie]

Your "facts" are largely semantic and utilize Merriam-Webster. Mine are actually based on differentiations that scientists actually make and more accurately reflects reality. If you want to get into word lawyering in order to avoid classifying transgendered individuals by their preferred gender, I think I am in thr stronger position here.

I have no issue with classifying everyone by their preferred gender. I take issue with claiming another poster is "wrong" for not using the term "sex" and instead "gender" when the words are literally synonymous.

The fact is that we can't yet change people to a level where they are truly the "sex" they would have preferred, and until that day comes, no one is wrong for having an issue because of the "sex" they are attracted to, even if it's for as superficial a reason as wanting a pussy that can squirt or has the natural scent.

 

[KmA]

I have no issue with classifying everyone by their preferred gender. I take issue with claiming another poster is "wrong" for not using the term "sex" and instead "gender" when the words are literally synonymous.

The fact is that we can't yet change people to a level where they are truly the "sex" they would have preferred, and until that day comes, no one is wrong for having an issue because of the "sex" they are attracted to, even if it's for as superficial a reason as wanting a pussy that can squirt or has the natural scent.

You're literally justifying your own biases.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Everyone deserves to be liked preferably loved. Even the most *evil* bastards needs love else all hope may truly be lost.

Respected, yes. Have others attracted to and be interested in romantic relationships with them? No.

 

[Amalthea]

Let's see what the WHO says about th terms gender and sex,

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/

 

[NumberTwo]

I get the impression there are a lot of people playing devil's advocate or just straight up trolling in this thread. I find it supremely hard to believe that this many straight males would knowingly date a transgendered woman. Now befriending the woman is an entirely different matter.

I would. You're making baseless assumptions (I know you're gone now).

 

[entremet]

Everyone deserves to be liked preferably loved. Even the most *evil* bastards needs love else all hope may truly be lost.

No one deserves to be loved romantically. We all need to bring something to the table. No one is entitled to romantic love. There's always a self interested aspect that attracts two people to each other.

If I sit at home every weekend for the rest of my life and never put myself out there I do not deserve a relationship.

 

[Petrie]

You're literally justifying your own biases.

My bias for allowing the proper use of words in the English language? Or my bias towards a female with actual, properly working female organs and genitals?

 

[ItIsOkBro]

According to at least one definition of "gender" it isn't just less authentic, is is outright wrong. If we wan't to campaign to change the definitions accepted for words, I am all for that, but gender does not only mean the societal constructs around it. It has an alternate, and more commonly accepted, definition.

That 'campaign' happened a long time ago. I don't know what purpose trying to say gender means sex serves except to frustrate people.

 

[User 73706]

This thread has proven to me that minds don't change. We are how we are. Preferences, prejudices, lines drawn in sand. Because ideas are written instead of spoken, it allows people to think through their thoughts before writing them, still, nothing changes. Just proves we/re all humans, faults and all.

What? We've had plenty of people enlightened on stuff as small as denominations to stuff as large as outlooks over the course of the last handful of pages.

This isn't "progressive", it's flat out wrong. There are not the same as cis men and women, and science can't yet make it so they are. I can treat them with respect and still not be interested in dating them based on the things they lack compared to a cis individual. This is not offensive nor is it bigoted.

Saying "trans women aren't real women" is pretty offensive and fairly bigoted. Also, protip: if you've got to resort to definitions as your sole source of objective evidence, you're probably trying too hard to justify your own insecurities.

Please don't lie, He was born a male and went through hormone treatment to make himself appear more feminine.

Motherfucker. I thought we were past this at this point.

 

[Lesath]

I have no issue with classifying everyone by their preferred gender. I take issue with claiming another poster is "wrong" for not using the term "sex" and instead "gender" when the words are literally synonymous.

Uh, they are literally not synonymous. Nobody calls them "gender chromosomes" or uses "gender dimorphism" or "secondary gender characteristics". And popular usage doesn't mean anything: you can call a spider an insect, and most people would think you're right, but it doesn't change that you'd be completely wrong.

 

[Kinsei]

Maybe you're just to emotionally involved in this to discuss properly this without calling people names and throwing a hissy fit? Also I have never asked for gender, I am asking for someone's sex.

Yet you still used gender pronouns.

I'm still trying to figure out which of the two you are.

 

[God Dayumm]

No one deserves to be loved romantically. We all need to bring something to the table. No one is entitled to romantic love. There's always a self interested aspect that attracts two people to each other.

If I sit at home every weekend for the rest of my life and never put myself out there I do not deserve a relationship.

That's awful. But it's true you cannot force someone to sleep with a person they don't want to no matter how bigoted is their reason because that is rape

 

[Platy]

When I asked what he was born as they lied by saying he was a she at birth, when all it would take is a look at his birth certificate to find out the contrary.

Nobody said anything about birth, they just corrected you that saying to refer to the person in question as "she" because that is what is AT WORST the polite way to do it since she had all that trouble to be a girl.

Let's see what the WHO says about th terms gender and sex,

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/

WELL LOOK AT THAT.

According to the World Health Organization, secondary SEXual characteristis are SEX !
"biological and physiological " might also includes the biological organ called the Brain too !

 

[Herpes Reasons]

That's awful. But it's true you cannot force someone to sleep with a person they don't want to no matter how bigoted is their reason because that is rape

It's quite remarkable how easily some of you throw the word bigot around. A man who doesn't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone who cannot provide the things he's looking for like natural reproduction, parts that were there from day one, etc.,is being bigoted? Ok.

 

[entremet]

That's awful. But it's true you cannot force someone to sleep with a person they don't want to no matter how bigoted is their reason because that is rape

When I mean deserved I'm using the word as it is.

The love of your life doesn't fall on your lap. That's a fairy tale. A terrible fairy tale that wrecks havoc and promotes passivity.

You're also putting words in my mouth. I didn't say no one deserves to pursue romantic relationships. Everyone that's wants that, should!

For example, I think Jessica Alba is the most beautiful woman ever, just from a shallow perspective. Do I deserve a romantic relationship with her just because of that? No. I need to bring stuff to the table, whether that's attraction, career, ambition, resources, whatever.

 

[opticalmace]

Nobody said anything about birth, they just corrected you that saying to refer to the person in question as "she" because that is what is AT WORST the polite way to do it since she had all that trouble to be a girl.



WELL LOOK AT THAT.

According to the World Health Organization, secondary SEXual characteristis are SEX !
"biological and physiological " might also includes the biological organ called the Brain too !

Are brains different between men and women? Serious question.

 

[Platy]

It's quite remarkable how easily some of you throw the word bigot around. A man who doesn't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone who cannot provide the things he's looking for like natural reproduction, parts that were there from day one, etc.,is being bigoted? Ok.

90% of what you think it is hot were not there from day one

Are brains different between men and women? Serious question.

Yes.
Not in "men are more inteligent" but more in "men brain does X thing this way and women another way"

 

[King Cobra]

I'm not "lying." When you're trans, there is a disconnect between your gender sex and your gender identity. And from that comes gender dysphoria. I know because I live with it every day. I would appreciate it if you would at least be more respectful. That includes using the correct pronoun as well. She is a "she," not a he.

I am going to be as honest yet regard your feelings as much as I can when I say this. Lets take Bailey for example, if I saw Bailey walking down the street, I would see Bailey as a woman. Unless I knew other information about her past Bailey would be a She for me. But since I have seen Bailey's genitals my brain is now going to see Bailey as someone who went a transformation to become a woman but who started off with their sex being male.

Gender pronouns aren't "playing around with semantics", they're one of the most basic of gender distinctions in our society. If you really want to make people comfortable, using the right pronoun is the least you can do.

I have yet to use the word gender other than when quoting people, when I am asking about someone's sex I ask for their sex, people are taking my words and trying to make it fit their agenda. When I can ask, What was their sex at birth, what would it be on their birth certificate. If you tell me it's going to be female when we both know it's male that is dishonesty and doesn't really go well with others. Most people will understand "I don't feel comfortable with the sex I was born with and I want to change" but they won't understand wordplay and beating around the bush.

Yet you still used gender pronouns.

I'm still trying to figure out which of the two you are.

Do you want me to flat out say "was born with a penis and XY chromosomes or was born with a vagina and XX chromosomes" would that make it easier for you to understand? Are you trolling, or do you get paid to act offended?

 

[OnPoint]

I've never been in the position to date or not date someone who is transgender. I would like to think that I would decide to or not to based on the same qualifications I would if I were deciding about dating someone who is the same gender they were born with.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

90% of what you think it is hot were not there from day one

What does that even mean? Obviously breasts were not there from day one as in on an infant. But it also happened naturally, as in without the help of science and medicine. I'm happy that tran men and women have the ability now to have a physical body that matches their actual gender, even if their original one didn't, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to or should be expected to be attracted to them as they would someone who was born in a body that did match their gender.

 

[Trojita]

My bias for allowing the proper use of words in the English language? Or my bias towards a female with actual, properly working female organs and genitals?

You are willfully supporting the use of a gender pronoun that a person does not identify as. You are being ignorant.

 

[God Dayumm]

It's quite remarkable how easily some of you throw the word bigot around. A man who doesn't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone who cannot provide the things he's looking for like natural reproduction, parts that were there from day one, etc.,is being bigoted? Ok.

Well I don't think those reasons are bigoted

 

[esms]

This thread got cyclical overnight, huh?

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Well I don't think those reasons are bigoted

Your post I responded to said otherwise.