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[Abounder]

No, it doesn't, because you don't wear a hat or glasses for religious reasons. A hijab should be perfectly fine.

You can put the headscarf back on outside of the courtroom. I don't see why religious headgear should get a pass.

 

[vypek]

It is considered disrespectful.

Disrespectful to the judge? I don't see why though. Maybe its just me but it seems odd

 

[HarryKS]

What exactly is this Canadian "culture" that you're referring to? In many parts of Canada, wearing a Sikh turban is as Canadian as you can get. Not everyone wears beaver hats here. Canada is a multicultural country. This judge is a bigot.

Those many parts sound like a court of law to you? The sikhs have their own problems. A multicultural society does not condone a rejection of the country's roots.

 

[Tesseract]

Why? Hats, scarves and sunglasses are to protect you from the elements outside. Her hijab is literally who she is.

so is my baseball cap

 

[genjiZERO]

Then I should just as certainly have the religious right to refuse to remove my baseball cap, because the Flying Spaghetti Monster demands it in the second chapter of Ravioli.

I would agree if you believed those things sincerely. You have a duty to be candid with a court.

You can put the headscarf back on outside of the courtroom. I don't see why religious headgear should get a pass.

Why shouldn't it? No one is asking for religion to be applied to the law. Only that a non-neutral participant in the proceeding be allowed to express their culture.

 

[old]

Bravo to the judge.

 

[massivekettle]

Except it isn't. Its one racist judge. The prime minister already condemned this action.

Is Islam a race? Did I miss something?

 

[Shiggy]

Is it illegal to wear religious headwear in public in Canada?

Why are we talking about "in public" now?

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Canada has strong freedom of religion rules, it's practically the first thing on our constitution. Judge is going to be unemployed within months. Not surprised it's coming out of Quebec though.

edit: oh my god, not even the most right-wing news sites were as bad as this GAF thread in terms of racism In a court where you have to swear on the Bible, an hijab is not allowed to be worn? That's a laugh.

 

[Oppo]

On the one hand, it's just a scarf.

On the other hand... It's just a scarf.

Muslim lady says she doesn't want to remove it, because it's a big deal to her.
Judge says remove it, because it's a big deal to her.

If the judge is banning all headwear then she is at least being consistent.

 

[ultratruman]

so is my baseball cap

 

[Kinyou]

On the one hand it makes sense when everyone has to take hat, sunglasses etc. off, on the other hand, I think a Hijab is a bit different from a hat.

 

[SRG01]

If this was during a trial and she was a witness, wouldn't this be grounds for a mistrial since the judge would've tainted the credibility if this person, if she wasn't instructed of this prior to the stand?

I'm not sure whether the woman's very valid concerns will have any traction unfortunately, especially if this was to get a hearing in the first place.

 

[injurai]

no hats or sunglasses should include hijabs

not a human being because you gotta remove a cap? rekt.

Hijabs don't cover one's face, so I don't see why it's the same or necessary.

 

[Terra Firma]

Those many parts sound like a court of law to you? The sikhs have their own problems. A multicultural society does not condone a rejection of the country's roots.

The "roots" of Canada are Christian. Are you trying to say that Canada is a Christian nation? Quebec's roots are in French Roman Catholicism. But guess what? Cultures change. Roots are irrelevant to a modern society.

And no, a formal attire in a court setting is not a part of any "culture". Are you suggesting that formal wear is part and parcel of a "culture"? Wearing a suit and tie is not something unique to any culture.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

so is my baseball cap

You're just being disingenuous blah blah, it isn't part of you.

Again what people are understanding here is that you have to allow this for all or take it away from all. Equality, no?

If I cannot wear what I want then you shouldn't be able to either.

 

[SystemBug]

Is Islam a race? Did I miss something?

I'm not Muslim but still get targeted in airports and shit. Because of brown skin.

That's what people say when they mean racist.

 

[Htown]

You can put the headscarf back on outside of the courtroom. I don't see why religious headgear should get a pass.

You don't see a problem with the government telling people they have to violate their religion's teachings just to get a judge to hear their case?

If I cannot wear what I want then you shouldn't be able to either.

You sound like a spoiled child.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Does it prevent proper identification? If not I don't see the problem if she wears her garb.

But if it prevents proper identification then yea it'd need be removed.

That should go for anything. Hence no sunglasses.

You don't see a problem with the government telling people they have to violate their religion's teachings just to get a judge to hear their case?

Is the headscarf religious requirement or cultural?

 

[ultratruman]

I'm not Muslim but still get targeted in airports and shit. Because of brown skin.

That's what people say when they mean racist.

And if she was being barred from court because of the colour of her skin, then it definitely would be racist.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I am certain that judge is being malicious by pulling that absurd argument

 

[Tesseract]

Hijabs don't cover one's face, so I don't see why it's the same or necessary.

nor do baseball caps worn backwards, but i still gotta take 'em off

 

[Frog-fu]

You can put the headscarf back on outside of the courtroom. I don't see why religious headgear should get a pass.

The hijab and her reasons for wearing it are a part of the woman's identity. She shouldn't have to suspend her identity and right to freedom of religion because some ignorant judge can't make the distinction between a scarf and religious headwear.

nor do baseball caps worn backwards, but i still gotta take 'em off

So, aside from religion bashing and disingenuous posts, what else do you have in store for this thread?

 

[SystemBug]

And if she was being barred from court because of the colour of her skin, then it definitely would be racist.

But its still targeting her sense of identity. The judge is just being a hard ass.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

You sound like a spoiled child.

Well, at least you found me out.

 

[Sai-kun]

You're just being disingenuous blah blah, it isn't part of you.

Again what people are understanding here is that you have to allow this for all or take it away from all. Equality, no?

If I cannot wear what I want then you shouldn't be able to either.

jesus christ this is a horrible argument

 

[NimbusD]

And yarmulkes and turbans and visible crosses and any manner of visible religious garb.

I certainly hope there's consistency in the execution of such a demand to remove items that aren't suitable for court setting .

Exactly. I have no idea how Canada deals with religion in court, but it should be all equal. Yarmulkes are the first thing I thought of. I could see crosses getting away with it if it were a concern of simply having a hat on. The reasoning of the rule of hats is debateable in itself, but if that's it it has to be equally enforced.

Otherwise all it really is the established power not recognizing a minority religion, which might show up in small ways such as this but I think we've all seen where the mentality of that kind of shit ends up.

 

[Loofy]

Is Islam a race? Did I miss something?

Are you really getting into this really?
Ok Im assuming shes racist, just like I assume every person saying 'Obama is a filthy muslim' is also a racist.

 

[G.ZZZ]

I would agree if you believed those things sincerely. You have a duty to be candid with a court.



Why shouldn't it? No one is asking for religion to be applied to the law. Only that a non-neutral participant in the proceeding be allowed to express their culture.

You seriously debating wheter or not the believe in an imaginary higher being is sincer or not? You're just being facetious because there's no way to prove it, in which case you just either accept it at face value, or reject it for everyone. Exceptions make no sense, or you're just making favouritisms.

 

[MuzzledBasher]

Why? Hats, scarves and sunglasses are to protect you from the elements outside. Her hijab is literally who she is.

Why should they receive preferential treatment because they are religious? Using that line of reasoning then Burqas too should be exempt from being removed in courts and government buildings since their hijab, even to a greater degree, is 'literally who they are'.

 

[Tesseract]

jesus christ this is a horrible argument

it seems fair to me, what's bad about it?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I wonder if she would make a Jewish person take off their yarmulke or a Christian their cross.

 

[Abounder]

The hijab and her reasons for wearing it are a part of the woman's identity. She shouldn't have to suspend her identity and right to freedom of religion because some ignorant judge can't make the distinction between a scarf and religious headwear.

Why shouldn't it? No one is asking for religion to be applied to the law. Only that a non-neutral participant in the proceeding be allowed to express their culture.

You don't see a problem with the government telling people they have to violate their religion's teachings just to get a judge to hear their case?

No, I don't see a problem with a judge telling a person to remove their headgear in a courtroom because that is the norm. Her identity is fine though.

 

[SRG01]

Also, for those commenting, there is a recent ruling from the Supreme Court of Canada concerning face veils and testimony. There is a four point test that must be used.

However, again, if this was to get a hearing in the first place, there may not be much she can do.

 

[SystemBug]

it seems fair to me, what's bad about it?

Wait, are you actually this daft? You weren't being sarcastic before?

My god.

 

[Somnid]

Religion is a personal preference, it doesn't give extra external validity to your actions. If I come from a nudist colony I still have to wear clothes in some places, whether or not I believe they are an affront to my being. Granted that's not to say restrictions are always reasonable, for example being nude can be a hygiene concern whereas a headscarf is innocuous but ideologically it's no different and not a reason to ask for exceptions. You can only argue this on the basis of individual freedom to do things that are not harmful to others, not because "it's religious."

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

So it's nice to see GAF is completely okay with denying people their right to justice just because of their religion. "First they came for the Muslims and I said nothing...".

 

[Kinitari]

Then I should just as certainly have the religious right to refuse to remove my baseball cap, because the Flying Spaghetti Monster demands it in the second chapter of Ravioli.

Sure. It's all the same to me

 

[adamsappel]

How about toupees and wigs? How about women with cancer wearing scarves?

 

[G.ZZZ]

I wonder if she would make a Jewish person take off their yarmulke or a Christian their cross.

Cross? No because it's not an headgear.

 

[UrbanRats]

Seems petty at best to me.
Unless there are security reasons, or the headgear is directly covering the face.

I do think all the "God" shit in court proceedings should go under heavy scrutiny, though.

 

[massivekettle]

Are you really getting into this really?
Ok Im assuming shes racist, just like I assume every person saying 'Obama is a filthy muslim' is also a racist.

I suggest you have a look into the definition of the word racist.

racist
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

 

[SystemBug]

So it's nice to see GAF is completely okay with denying people their right to justice just because of their religion. "First they came for the Muslims and I said nothing...".

No but when it has to do with white gays and white woman then we can't pull any stops.

 

[Tesseract]

So, aside from religion bashing and disingenuous posts, what else do you have in store for this thread?

i certainly ain't religion bashing, or being disingenuous (bit cliche, this)

fair is fair, religion gets no exceptions

 

[Terra Firma]

I suggest you have a look into the definition of the word racist.

Is antisemitism racism?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

So it's nice to see GAF is completely okay with denying people their right to justice just because of their religion. "First they came for the Muslims and I said nothing...".

Sure, that is one view. I think the other is that some individuals are given additional privileges because of their religion and some people have an issue with that.

 

[WAR recon zero]

judge is racist

 

[Sai-kun]

it seems fair to me, what's bad about it?

because there's a damn difference between someone wearing a baseball hat for nonreligious reasons and a woman wearing a hijab for religious reasons.

Sure, that is one view. I think the other is that some individuals are given additional privileges because of their religion and some people have an issue with that.

this is so childish. why does it upset you that some people may be able to wear their religious headdress in court? like, it doesn't infringe upon anything that you do.

 

[ReadingRambo]

just like a jew is a race

Not at all. Jews are a race of people. Muslims are not.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

Why? Hats, scarves and sunglasses are to protect you from the elements outside. Her hijab is literally who she is.

So If I claim to have joined a basketball centric religion, does that mean I get wear raptors hat wherever I want?