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Rock Band 4 announced for PS4 and Xbox One
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Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I LOVED that game. So fun.
RyanPierre
Member
Thanks for this info! Very interesting!
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
From FAQ:
Q: Will my old DLC work if I bought a different next gen console, i.e. Xbox 360 -> PS4?
A: Cross platform DLC compatibility is not entirely within our control, as DLC ownership is managed by the 1st parties.
I will not be coming back because of this. I don't really care whether or not Harmonix has control over this. There are solutions to this problem, but they don't seem willing to address them, and therefore I'm not interested.
Q: Will my old DLC work if I bought a different next gen console, i.e. Xbox 360 -> PS4?
A: Cross platform DLC compatibility is not entirely within our control, as DLC ownership is managed by the 1st parties.
I will not be coming back because of this. I don't really care whether or not Harmonix has control over this. There are solutions to this problem, but they don't seem willing to address them, and therefore I'm not interested.
hodayathink
Member
The issue with cross-platform DLC probably isn't a technical one, and there's an argument to be made that it isn't even an account issue (they could start creating accounts now and use the official stores or leaderboard scores to check which DLC you'd previously purchased). It's a money issue. Even if Harmonix decided they didn't want to get paid, the storefronts would want to, and the artists/rights holders would as well. And while the platform holders might be willing to take a lump sum for huge amounts of DLC, I don't see how that would work with the artists. So we'd more than likely be talking about a per-song fee that would probably be somewhere between 50 cents and a dollar, and a ton of negotiating to even get to that point. I don't see where that's worth it for Harmonix.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I exported Rock Band 2 not even a full 2 months ago, though this is on 360. You need a new copy or a manual code.
Orbis Tabula
Member
Very excited, although still a little disappointed. Not only are they getting rid of keys completely, but I've got to buy an XBox One now. But Ah well. I can't say no to rock band.
Couple of clarifications
1) First Party doesn't just mean Xbox / Playstation - it also means the record companies. If you've ever worked with trying to license music...OHMYGODITISANNOYING. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony's video game arm couldn't get permission from Sony's music arm for licensing. It's that inane.
2) Alas, the issue with Destiny vs Rock Band is that Destiny was a clean start for a game; there was no importing from previous games. The only way to do cross platform connecting would be if you had a clean game (which would mean no importing). Because of how importing was done from RB game to RB game; it is tied to your xbox / psn account specifically (because the music industry hates us all). Some songs won't even transfer between games (Metallica I think is the one notorious for this) because of "licensing issues".
3) Dear lord am I glad I went X1 this generation. Thousands of dollars of DLC. About 1k in instruments (between buying them and time spent customizing them)
4) I am hoping one of my friends can get me one of the PAX East guitars. Those look sick.
1) First Party doesn't just mean Xbox / Playstation - it also means the record companies. If you've ever worked with trying to license music...OHMYGODITISANNOYING. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony's video game arm couldn't get permission from Sony's music arm for licensing. It's that inane.
2) Alas, the issue with Destiny vs Rock Band is that Destiny was a clean start for a game; there was no importing from previous games. The only way to do cross platform connecting would be if you had a clean game (which would mean no importing). Because of how importing was done from RB game to RB game; it is tied to your xbox / psn account specifically (because the music industry hates us all). Some songs won't even transfer between games (Metallica I think is the one notorious for this) because of "licensing issues".
3) Dear lord am I glad I went X1 this generation. Thousands of dollars of DLC. About 1k in instruments (between buying them and time spent customizing them)
4) I am hoping one of my friends can get me one of the PAX East guitars. Those look sick.
aGuyInaBearSuit
Member
As if we needed ANOTHER one of these.
By which I mean "a contender for GOTY 2015."
PROh1bited
Banned
You must be stupid to think that something like that is even remotely possible. Is it their fault you bought all your dlc on the 360, then went and got a ps4? No.
I think the offer was for the free 20-track pack that you got with RB2 when it came out. I think the export is still live, albeit done through RB3 itself.
Twenty7KVN
Member
What can the really do? I honestly believe that Microsoft would throw a hissy fit,they know that alot of people got the rock band series on xobx 360 and they want a way to force people to buy a xbone.
Tell me your solution then. If it's the standard "Harmonix account" nonsense, that's not going to fly.
superNESjoe
Member
I understand the frustration about this, but they are willing to address them, hence why they addressed them.
They were very transparent about it, it's not entirely within their control. DLC ownership is managed by Microsoft and Sony, it is not up to Harmonix to solve that problem. They can initiate conversation with the two parties, but they are being honest and transparent that the solution is not capable on their end.
So now I'm buying an Xbox One and can finally unplug the Xbox 360. I also had a load of digital currency expiring soon after the conversion and now I can spend it on even more RB DLC as there are no games I wanted.
I really had no reason before now as I was happy with my PS4, but as the only way to keep my DLC is an Xbox One and the only reason I kept my 360 is for Rock Band, it just all makes sense...
If only they made it possible to transfer The Beatles over too.
I really had no reason before now as I was happy with my PS4, but as the only way to keep my DLC is an Xbox One and the only reason I kept my 360 is for Rock Band, it just all makes sense...
If only they made it possible to transfer The Beatles over too.
R_thanatos
Member
I should be happy since i've bought songs for the PS3 , but i'm in europe and given how the recent dlc nonsense of DOA5 happenned , i'm not confident they'll be able to manage my 300+ dlc song list properly.
I hope all this dlc will be on the rockband store and not throught the PSN..
I hope all this dlc will be on the rockband store and not throught the PSN..
That damn currency conversion.
Before it, MS points didn't expire (with the exception of free promo points) and after the conversion Microsoft Wallet doesn't expire. But anything that converted does? I'm going to be extremely annoyed by this for awhile.
The Rock Band store just fetches data from PSN, it's not its own individual storefront.
Yeah, I feel bad for SCEE victims. They haven't gotten any of this year's RB DLC up, and it's been ~5-6 months since Rocksmith's PS4 launch and they still don't have legacy content up.
Yeah, people ran with this too early.
What sort of solutions to cross-platform DLC are there and how logistically feasible would they be? Also, how do you know how willing they are to address them or how hard they're trying to work with the console manufacturers behind the scenes to allow it?
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Xbox One purchase is now completely justified! Over 2000 DLC to transfer when this baby comes out, the initial install process is going to take forever!
Oh, also a free track by Frank Turner available now? Grabbing that too! Great song off of a good album.
Oh, also a free track by Frank Turner available now? Grabbing that too! Great song off of a good album.
Very much so. I had no desire, NONE, to ever own an Xbox One. But then this had to go and get announced.
CouchMaster
Member
All my DLC is on PS3 so it should be no trouble transferring it to PS4.
Hope they support GH accessories though, still have my Aerosmith guitar lying somewhere.
Hope they support GH accessories though, still have my Aerosmith guitar lying somewhere.
darthsontin
Member
I'd love for a new Rock Band that uses a real guitar like Rocksmith. I don't think I could go back to a cheap plastic instrument after using the real thing.
I know it's not Harmonix's fault, but a lot of us went from 360 to PS4 and would have to spend either $350 for an Xbox One or $350+ to rebuy all of our old DLC. That is just too high a cost of entry on top of the game itself.
I know it's not Harmonix's fault, but a lot of us went from 360 to PS4 and would have to spend either $350 for an Xbox One or $350+ to rebuy all of our old DLC. That is just too high a cost of entry on top of the game itself.
R_thanatos
Member
StanleyStutters
Member
Great news! I switched from 360 to PS4, so I think I'm out of luck when it comes to DLC, but it's terrific that all the DLC will transfer over. I loved the series last-gen and can't wait to get back into it.
falconxcrunner09
Member
http://www.harmonixmusic.com/games/rock-band/request
Everyone suggest Muse here! Knights of Cydonia, Hyper Music... ANYTHING!
Everyone suggest Muse here! Knights of Cydonia, Hyper Music... ANYTHING!
shaunLEGEND
Member
Omg, Harmonix how I love you so! Who could have called that the songs and the instruments would carry over?!? These guys are so in tune with their audience.
This move greatly favors Microsoft as even though I'd rather have it on ps4, I just have way too much dlc to start over.
Hopefully they allow guitar hero instruments though because that's what I have. Seriously gh strat>rb strat
This move greatly favors Microsoft as even though I'd rather have it on ps4, I just have way too much dlc to start over.
Hopefully they allow guitar hero instruments though because that's what I have. Seriously gh strat>rb strat
Orbis Tabula
Member
The only thing I could possibly see happening to help with all the people who switched platforms is for Harmonix to announce a subscription DLC service. I hope someone asks them about that.
OneLifeCycle
Neo Member
Would love to see another DJ Hero as well.
Twenty7KVN
Member
The only thing i think harmonix can do about the cross dlc problem, is to release those songs as dlc bundle at a big discount. But that would probably mean a new licensing agreement with artist,which would introduce new headaches.
Wired All Wrong
Member
Awesome news! So happy to see Rock Band coming back. Don't have an Xbox One yet, but that will be changing with this news. Surprised I didn't pick one up yet anyway, so it doesn't really bother me much that I'll have to get one to use all the DLC I bought. Really hoping my ION drums will work right away or that I'll at least be able to buy a new drum brain for it to work. Now I just need to buy another pedal since my good one stopped working a few months ago. Rock Band is back!
FamousLastX
Member
So happy to read about this this morning. Can't wait to see what they do with this. Amplitude and Rock Band 4 this year? Yes pleaseee.
Oh my gosh, you're so on the ball! Arguing With Thermometres, Zzzzonked, or Jonny Sniper would be great additions
Throw in some (more) Coheed and Cambria, too, and it'll have all my money
Zeouterlimits
Member
I understand the frustration, but what exact solutions are you referring to? I can't imagine MS or Sony have that functionality in place, or would be eager to spend a significant amount of time implementing functionality to allow it, encouraging more customers to leave their ecosystems.
I can only dream of it happening with an incredible amount of consumer pressure and perhaps a ruling from some consumer rights ombudsman.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
MS and HMX have always had a good relationship. I'm sure the abrupt pulling of Kinect hurt it some but between working with them on the Rock Band Network and Dance Central I would not be surprised to see something come of their past relationship.
The Xtortionist
Member
Thanks. So it looks like the best way to get the previous on-disk songs is to buy used copies of RB1 and 3 and a new copy of RB2? Not sure why RB3 is so pricey for PS3.
Used to play RB on 360, but I stopped after RB2 and only bought around 100 DLC songs, so I'm ok making the switch to PS4. Just seems like a hassle to import previous disk based tracks.
