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[spatenfloot]

Should people not voice any potential concern? I didn't realize this was a celebration thread.

We might find out if someone ever posts a legitimate one.

 

[Opiate]

Bloodborne is a Sony game, not a From Software game. Even if the idea of a petition for this game wasn't idiotic, the petition should be directed towards Sony, since it is their property and their choice what to do with. From has no say in the matter.

Sure.

All of this context you bring up is totally pointless. It doesn't matter if one dev was hurting and the other wasn't. It doesn't matter if one dev was making bombs and the other making hits. Both games in question are the result of a mutual agreement between the developer and a console maker, with the rights to said games being handed over to the console makers as part of the agreement. That's literally the only context that matters.

It does matter, actually. I don't think you have a strong grasp of nuance or context.

As a result, neither Bayo 2 or Bloodborne will ever appear on another platform. Once you realize that, is there any rational reason to petition for a port? No, there isn't. I don't care if you ban ps/xbox port beggers but not PC beggars, because I honestly don't give a crap what goes on in this forum. But I will tell you that's not rational behavior. Just felt like pointing that out.

No argument here: Bloodborne is definitely not coming to PC, and it is not rational to expect otherwise.

 

[David___]

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Whether or not FROM could have funded it themselves is irrelevant. Being that they were independent and could do whatever they wanted, they decided that they wanted to work with Sony again.

Its also important to note that BB is owned by Sony so whether FROM makes it or Media Molecule makes it people are begging for a Sony property to appear on a platform not named Playstation.

 

[JNA]

Bloodborne is a Sony game, not a From Software game. Even if the idea of a petition for this game wasn't idiotic, the petition should be directed towards Sony, since it is their property and their choice what to do with. From has no say in the matter.

All of this context you bring up is totally pointless. It doesn't matter if one dev was hurting and the other wasn't. It doesn't matter if one dev was making bombs and the other making hits. Both games in question are the result of a mutual agreement between the developer and a console maker, with the rights to said games being handed over to the console makers as part of the agreement. That's literally the only context that matters.

As a result, neither Bayo 2 or Bloodborne will ever appear on another platform. Once you realize that, is there any rational reason to petition for a port? No, there isn't. I don't care if you ban ps/xbox port beggers but not PC beggars, because I honestly don't give a crap what goes on in this forum. But I will tell you that's not rational behavior. Just felt like pointing that out.

I feel like the same people that think Bloodborne was money hatted also think the same for Street Fighter 5. Especially the kind of budget it takes to make SF5.

And speaking of being in a bad situation considering how much money Capcom has been losing for a while now. XD

 

[GRaider81]

My thoughts exactly

Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.

 

[Opiate]

Whether or not FROM could have funded it themselves is irrelevant. Being that they were independent and could do whatever they wanted, they decided that they wanted to work with Sony again.

Its also important to note that BB is owned by Sony so whether FROM makes it or Media Molecule makes it people are begging for a Sony property to appear on a platform not named Playstation.

It is relevant. I am telling you it's relevant.

If people are wondering why we treat different situations differently as moderators, I'm telling you why, right now. Context matters.

 

[BrianRoyale]

In my mind I feel like Bloodborne is like Scalebound. Each company (Sony and Microsoft respectively) went to a 3rd party developer and partnered with them to make a brand new IP for them. Without that the projects we see wouldn't even exist. I can see how it can get people worked up if you don't own the platform to play it, but at the same time it only exists because the companies approached the developers to make something for them.

I also could be completely insane.

 

[Withnail]

I just explained why it was different.

You will have a hard time convincing me that Bloodborne (or whatever other IP From wants to work on) could not find a home anywhere else. Bayonetta 2 literally couldn't. It had a publisher who dropped it because they were confident it would lose money (which it almost certainly did).

From Software is a hot commodity making increasingly popular games. Platinum is a group of chronic underachievers whose games are becoming increasingly financially infeasible in the current AAA landscape.

The goal here is not to say Sony is evil or anything; every company funds games. Nintendo has made contracts in the past, and so has Microsoft. I'm simply explaining to you why this situation is different. I listed another reason as well, which, as I stated, is notably more important.

I guess it's possible that From had a game without a publisher and sold it to the highest bidder. Personally I think it's much more likely that Sony and From decided to make a follow up to Demon's Souls.

In any case this petition is equivalent to asking for a port of Uncharted. It's idiotic.

 

[The Artisan]

Great thread guys

Bloodborne is one of my most anticipated games in years. If I only had a PC or Xbone, I would consider buying a PS4 just to play it, I wouldn't whine too much.

this defines the term "system seller".

I guess we have gone completely offtopic now, huh?

well with Ps4 selling so many consoles, one of the things attached to such a thing would be the software people want for it, so I would say the thread's been appropriate.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

In my mind I feel like Bloodborne is like Scalebound. Each company (Sony and Microsoft respectively) went to a 3rd party developer and partnered with them to make a brand new IP for them. Without that the projects we see wouldn't even exist. I can see how it can get people worked up if you don't own the platform to play it, but at the same time it only exists because the companies approached the developers to make something for them.

I also could be completely insane.

They both stated that it was the case so you're not completely insane

Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.

How many are crossgen or remaster of last gen games?

 

[mike4001_]

Half of them would probably pirate the damn thing if it came to PC anyway.

Lol @Half

Isn´t this generally more like 95% ?

 

[StoopKid]

Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.

Those games don't count because reasons.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Sony should just ignores those PC petitioners. If half of them really wants to play Bloodborne and caved, another 5000 PS4 sold easily.

You think they won't? They're probably laughing their asses off at them this very moment, and I wouldn't blame them a bit.

Dumbest petition of the year, easily.

 

[The Artisan]

They both stated that it was the case so you're not completely insane

the difference though is that scalebound is something that may be completely different from what we've seen, in a long time. something that seems truly and newly innovative.

 

[JNA]

Half of them would probably pirate the damn thing if it came to PC anyway.

You're probably joking but piracy was a big deal on consoles too.

...well, last gen consoles anyway. I'm not sure how it is with current gen at the moment.

 

[anexanhume]

wasn't it reported that the Ps4 was profitable very early on? why would they be taking a loss if they slashed the price?

No doubt costs have come down some, but the real savings will be when they can shrink the APU, use half the RAM chips and shrink the overall console size (and heatsink, PSU with it).

We don't currently know what Sony's plans are for die shrinks, but they certainly designed with that in mind given its all on one APU.

 

[TheSlySoul]

You're probably joking but piracy was a big deal on consoles too.

...well, last gen consoles anyway. I'm not sure how it is with current gen at the moment.

I remember the R4 issues on DS last year.
Plenty of people pirated DS games with it.

 

[Opiate]

In any case this petition is equivalent to asking for a port of Uncharted. It's idiotic.

No argument here. There is no chance of it coming over.

 

[derExperte]

That this thread is still going and basically only consists of pages full with the same GIFs/memes/replies repeated endlessly while the (very few) original offenders left long ago is quite telling.

I do find it pretty funny that people were port begging for Bayonetta 2 on current gen consoles and it's such a foul offense, yet when PC gamers port beg suddenly it's ok.

To whom are you exactly referring? Who was okay with one but not the other? Specific GAFers? If not, why is that and the petition relevant? Also console gamers certainly get more leeway here, I can point you towards a few threads from last week alone about PC games with a bunch of port begging. No one cared. One mention of PC in a Final Fantasy thread and a mod popped up.

 

[JNA]

I remember the R4 issues on DS last year.
Plenty of people pirated DS games with it.

PSP if I can recall was a huge pirate machine as well.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

You're probably joking but piracy was a big deal on consoles too.

...well, last gen consoles anyway. I'm not sure how it is with current gen at the moment.

Piracy was a big deal on the 360 and PS3? I'm not that sure about that. Handhelds were a different matter (DS and PSP were crazy), but I feel like piracy on consoles has decreased dramatically, at least based on perception, from the PS2 and Xbox era.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

the difference though is that scalebound is something that may be completely different from what we've seen, in a long time. something that seems truly and newly innovative.

We still haven't seen anything gameplay wise as of now so I wouldn't get excited just yet. I trust Platinum to deliver a solid game though.

 

[GRaider81]

Those games don't count because reasons.

Yeah probably at least half aren't "real" games.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

That's about 20.2 million more units than games that exist for it. Congrats Sony.

Do stimulate my imagination: what does VR Salt taste like?

the difference though is that scalebound is something that may be completely different from what we've seen, in a long time. something that seems truly and newly innovative.

I should borrow your eyes then, because I saw from that trailer was a me-too Panzer Dragoon with less style and more douche 'tude.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

How many are crossgen or remaster of last gen games?

Don't forget indies. Those aren't real games either.

Yeah probably at least half aren't "real" games.

There you go.

 

[PoweredByHentai]

There are a number of important contextual differences here. First, Bayonetta 2 clearly would not have existed without Nintendo's intervention: it wasn't as if Sega was dying to publish it and Nintendo just paid more money. The game was dead. Nintendo revived it. All evidence we have points to this.

Second, Nintendo (and Sony and Microsoft) is a huge, multibillion dollar company which spends enormous quantities of time, energy, and money trying to get games on to their platforms. Unsurprisingly, Nintendo are strong advocates for proporietary Nintendo platforms, and will work hard to make sure that people who buy their systems get as many games as possible.

By contrast, there is no real question that From Software was hurting for a job. The games they make are increasingly popular, so it's not like Bloodbourne (or any game they make) was in a dire situation like Bayonetta 2 was.

And most importantly, there is no mommy Sony or papa Nintendo looking out for the PC platform. No one is moneyhatting games to get them on PC. No one is negotiating publishing contracts or offering discounts or anything like that. In other words, Xbox gamers don't have to advocate for games appearing on their platform, because one of the largest corporations in the world is already doing that job for them. PC Gamers don't have that luxury.

That doesn't mean that all PC port begging of any kind is allowed, mind you. Sometimes it's clearly in appropriate. I'd add that a Bloodbourne port is clearly never happening and anyone who thinks it will is delusional. I'm just explaining why context matters, and why some port begging is treated differently than other port begging. People like to understand our moderation policy, and how we decide the things we do.

I kind of disagree with how you explained the situation.

The way I see it, the biggest difference between Bayonetta 2's situation vs Bloodborne's situation is who ultimately owns the IP.

With Bayonetta 2, Sega is the franchise owner and Nintendo licensed the property. Bayonetta 2 is still a 3rd party game. As a license holder, Nintendo is not going to give up its exclusivity without a fight even though it is entirely possible that Sega may eventually bring Bayonetta to PC.

With Bloodborne, Sony owns the IP. This is ultimately what makes Bloodborne a 1st party game. In this case, Bloodborne will never see a PC port unless Sony decides to make it possible.

 

[Rymuth]

Piracy was a big deal on the 360 and PS3? I'm not that sure about that. Handhelds were a different matter (DS and PSP were crazy), but I feel like piracy on consoles has decreased dramatically, at least based on perception, from the PS2 and Xbox era.

Where I'm from, Piracy on the 360 was a huge deal and it sold many consoles. Shops were openly selling pirated HD-DVDs, seeing how they were easier to burn than a Blu-Ray.

 

[Hiko]

It does matter, actually. I don't think you have a strong grasp of nuance or context.

Then explain rationally how these nuances change the end result here. How does any of this context make Bloodborne port begging posts more valuable to this forum than Bayonetta begging posts? Because that is what you're saying by moderating one set of posts and not the other.

 

[JNA]

Piracy was a big deal on the 360 and PS3? I'm not that sure about that. Handhelds were a different matter (DS and PSP were crazy), but I feel like piracy on consoles has decreased dramatically, at least based on perception, from the PS2 and Xbox era.

I'm not sure exactly how it was on PS3 but Xbox 360 was pretty damn pirateable (not a word I know XD). I think it's a total douchebag thing to do but apparently modding your Xbox 360 was a thing for a good long time.

I remember there was a popular site that was or use to be popular for modding/pirating 360 games. Even if I remembered what it was I would not link it here for obvious reasons but yeah it was kind of a big deal.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Where I'm from, Piracy on the 360 was a huge deal and it sold many consoles. Shops were openly selling pirated HD-DVDs, seeing how they were easier to burn than a Blu-Ray.

Yeah, thinking back, it makes sense that it would have been more prevalent on the 360 than the PS3 due to the form of media it used. I did hear about people remaining offline because of their hacked consoles, back then, and with people paying others to solder chips on their 360 or whatever to play pirated games.

 

[The Artisan]

No doubt costs have come down some, but the real savings will be when they can shrink the APU, use half the RAM chips and shrink the overall console size (and heatsink, PSU with it).

We don't currently know what Sony's plans are for die shrinks, but they certainly designed with that in mind given its all on one APU.

alright, i wouldn't know about all that stuff honestly.

We still haven't seen anything gameplay wise as of now so I wouldn't get excited just yet. I trust Platinum to deliver a solid game though.

isn't platinum considered one of the top devs a la naughty dog?

 

[The Artisan]

I should borrow your eyes then, because I saw from that trailer was a me-too Panzer Dragoon with less style and more douche 'tude.

as a Ps4 owner, scalebound is the most intriguing xbone exclusive yet to be released/revealed further in my opinion. i don't know why you got that vibe from the trailer, maybe it was a trailer I haven't seen, can you post it?

and don't forget, someone from that camp said scalebound has the potential to be goat. take that as you will.

EDIT: sorry if all the double posting is annoying everyone, i'll try to remember not to

 

[Schryver]

Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.

20.2 million minus 63 is still 20.2 million but yeah, trolls everywhere lol

 

[Mass_Pincup]

alright, i wouldn't know about all that stuff honestly.

isn't platinum considered one of the top devs a la naughty dog?

Sure the game will most likely be good, but I think it's a bit early to call it "truly and newly innovative"

 

[David___]

and don't forget, someone from that camp said scalebound has the potential to be goat. take that as you will.

MS employee says 1st party exclusive will be good. Shocking

 

[Version 3.0]

20.2 million minus 63 is still 20.2 million but yeah, trolls everywhere lol

Good point. Subtract the total number of games for ANY console from 20.2 million, round it off and you get...20.2 million.

 

[GRaider81]

20.2 million minus 63 is still 20.2 million but yeah, trolls everywhere lol

Don't forget indies. Those aren't real games either.


There you go.

So eliminating indies, cross gen and remasters ive now got a refined list from my 63 games.

Turns out ive only played

Killzone (not a game cause its classed as bad)
mlb the show (classed as cross gen?)
The Order (not a game because it has QTEs, ok ok ill give you that)
DriveClub
second son

So final list of games ive played on PS4.

DriveClub
Second Son

 

[The Artisan]

Sure the game will most likely be good, but I think it's a bit early to call it "truly and newly innovative"

from the teasers we've been given, that's what it has been for me. "begging my curiosity" or however they say it.

MS employee says 1st party exclusive will be good. Shocking

yeah I get that it's pretty ballsy, but they didn't say something along those lines about every other new IP they've had this gen.

 

[Schryver]

So eliminating indies, cross gen and remasters ive now got a refined list from my 63 games.
...
So final list of games ive played on PS4.

DriveClub
Second Son

Still worth it!

 

[PoweredByHentai]

So was Bloodborne in production before Sony came to them for an exclusive or did Sony come to From Software asking to develop a new IP for the Playstation which became Bloodborne?
Seems like depending on what happened would determine how people might feel about the game being on PS4 only.

Yoshida went to From Software around the time that Miyazaki was about to wrap up the Dark Souls 1 DLC.

I said Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2, not the whole IP. Although I could be wrong on that one too.

Nintendo has the license to publish and distribute Bayonetta 2. Sega still owns the IP.

I feel like the same people that think Bloodborne was money hatted also think the same for Street Fighter 5. Especially the kind of budget it takes to make SF5.

And speaking of being in a bad situation considering how much money Capcom has been losing for a while now. XD

I don't remember the reasons why Capcom is bleeding money but SF5 is a very different situation from Bloodborne.

I guess it's possible that From had a game without a publisher and sold it to the highest bidder. Personally I think it's much more likely that Sony and From decided to make a follow up to Demon's Souls.

In any case this petition is equivalent to asking for a port of Uncharted. It's idiotic.

No, Demon's Souls was a joint project with From Software. Bloodborne was made possible because Yoshida learned from his mistakes with DeS and went to From Software to do another partnership. In both cases, Sony owns the IP.

 

[Japanmanx3]

My thoughts exactly

Salt indeed...



OT: Congrats Sony. First time walking into this thread.....think I'll walk right back out lol smh.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.

Don't you mean applications?

Spoiler

seriously Sony UI/UX guys, please fix this. It bothers me...

 

[The Artisan]

Still worth it!

driveclub yes. ISS... not so much. at least not at full price.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

So eliminating indies, cross gen and remasters ive now got a refined list from my 63 games.

Turns out ive only played

Killzone (not a game cause its classed as bad)
mlb the show (classed as cross gen?)
The Order (not a game because it has QTEs, ok ok ill give you that)
DriveClub
second son

So final list of games ive played on PS4.

DriveClub
Second Son

And DriveClub was broken at launch and there's no PS+ version yet so it doesn't count.

Take that PS4 owners! You've been playing a lie all this time!

 

[The Artisan]

And DriveClub was broken at launch and there's no PS+ version yet so it doesn't count.

Take that PS4 owners! You've been playing a lie all this time!

halo mcc was broken at launch too... but that didn't make it not worth a purchase.

 

[Aquamarine]

I guess it's possible that From had a game without a publisher and sold it to the highest bidder. Personally I think it's much more likely that Sony and From decided to make a follow up to Demon's Souls.

In any case this petition is equivalent to asking for a port of Uncharted. It's idiotic.

To SCE, Bloodborne is just as much of a "1st-party" game as Uncharted or Gran Turismo.

They're all integral to SCE's corporate strategy.

 

[gruenel]

We're back to PS4 has no games? This thread is going in circles

 

[FunkyPajamas]

halo mcc was broken at launch too... but that didn't make it not worth a purchase.

PS4 is the one on trial here, don't you dare derail!

 

[Einbroch]

I would just go back to my PS3, but that has no games either.

 

[pastrami]

And most importantly, there is no mommy Sony or papa Nintendo looking out for the PC platform. No one is moneyhatting games to get them on PC. No one is negotiating publishing contracts or offering discounts or anything like that. In other words, Xbox gamers don't have to advocate for games appearing on their platform, because one of the largest corporations in the world is already doing that job for them. PC Gamers don't have that luxury.

That doesn't mean that all PC port begging of any kind is allowed, mind you. Sometimes it's clearly in appropriate. I'd add that a Bloodbourne port is clearly never happening and anyone who thinks it will is delusional. I'm just explaining why context matters, and why some port begging is treated differently than other port begging. People like to understand our moderation policy, and how we decide the things we do.

I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Why does it matter if one group has a large corporation working towards bringing games to their platform and another group doesn't? I feel like you are giving me reasons why PC gamers port beg, but aren't giving me reasons why it should be treated differently.

If I am a Playstation 4 owner, why shouldn't I be allowed to advocate for my platform just as a PC gamer does for their platform? Just because Sony exists doesn't mean my voice means any less than anyone else.