It wasn't due to lack of death care, it was due to awful traffic management. The death care he had covered the necessary areas but couldn't get there because of his dumb grid layout. He has too many intersections too close to each other and he doesn't realize it. He keeps blaming the wrong things.I guess I'll find out on tuesday myself but I have a feeling that he didn't have enough graveyards to ship the bodies in addition of having traffic problems.
Because it seems that you can ignore landfills pretty much the moment you unlock the incinerator but what if the crematories don't add to the transport capacity and that is the root of the problem?
Or it could be insane amounts of noise pollution from the traffic/high density. Interesting still.
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And his sewage may have been out for who knows how long.
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What I meant was that I don't like the game mechanic.
motorised mallard
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It may be a bit "overpowered" but I don't think it's complete bs.
Realistic disaster are atleast in the game!
It seems that minmaxing doesn't cut it unless you are a savant.
The identical grids seem to be a large part of it indeed. But I still think that his capacity to transport dead bodies was lacking also. Well I'll findout on tuesday hopefully.
So it was noise pollution in one area, and in another the missing hospital coverage.
Both just creeped up as hospitals were not able to keep up with the demand. Apparently also some water pollution problem as he just mentioned and he just never took care of any of this, because he was too busy in the past 3-4 hours just cranking out residential areas.
Definitely not the games fault from what we can see now, thats what you get for sprinting to 200k
Both just creeped up as hospitals were not able to keep up with the demand. Apparently also some water pollution problem as he just mentioned and he just never took care of any of this, because he was too busy in the past 3-4 hours just cranking out residential areas.
Definitely not the games fault from what we can see now, thats what you get for sprinting to 200k
It may be a bit "overpowered" but I don't think it's complete bs.
Realistic disaster are atleast in the game!
It seems that minmaxing doesn't cut it unless you are a savant.
Don't get me wrong. There should be some negative consequence to noise pollution. But getting people sick and leading to the zombie plague?
So it was noise pollution in one area, and in another the missing hospital coverage.
Both just creeped up as hospitals were not able to keep up with the demand. Apparently also some water pollution problem as he just mentioned and he just never took care of any of this, because he was too busy in the past 3-4 hours just cranking out residential areas.
Definitely not the games fault from what we can see now, thats what you get for sprinting to 200k
What water pollution? They are all in the poop lake.
I agree about the intersections. A city is basically doomed to fail at some point with that type of layout. It just depends upon when you reach that point.
Reflection
Member
Think it was mostly the water pollution and things started to snowball, with the poor traffic backing up ambulances etc.
Noise pollution doesn't help, but I'm sure it doesn't cause a massive plague.
Noise pollution doesn't help, but I'm sure it doesn't cause a massive plague.
motorised mallard
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~11% of his population is/was drinking polluted water despite not having sewage anywhere near his intake. He had a incinerator really close to his intake for a LONG time. Maybe a real reason to use the treatment plants instead of the basic sewage building?
I love the fact that it creeped slowly and suddenly all went to hell.
My first three hours in the game are now up on YouTube:
Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeXtaRu0ec
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f46ekRvb4Q
The audio mixing is absolutely horrendous at least for the first hour of the first video. It gets a bit better later on. My local recording messed up and I had to instead upload the stream from Twitch directly, complete with its less than ideal quality and lack of editing.
Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeXtaRu0ec
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f46ekRvb4Q
The audio mixing is absolutely horrendous at least for the first hour of the first video. It gets a bit better later on. My local recording messed up and I had to instead upload the stream from Twitch directly, complete with its less than ideal quality and lack of editing.
He had a menu up that stated people were drinking 10% polluted water or something because the ground is polluted.
Are you sure about this? The red wasn't even touching the water.
Edit: Toma: Ah okay. Now I can deal with the fact that there was a plague. I still don't like that noise pollution make people sick. Look at NY City. It's a noisy city. Are people falling sick from it?
motorised mallard
Member
The pollution dataview said it, not clear on the source of the pollution though.
And the tsunami of death is about to hit again.
It wasn't a real zombie plague. That's just what his chat/he called it. Dead bodies get people sick when you don't take care of them. Noise polution can totally get people sick in real life so it makes sense that it can here. People got sick and couldn't be taken care of so they died which lead to bodies piling up. That lead to more dead people which got out of control and the cycle repeated.
I know it wasn't a real zombie plague. I am also joking. XD
motorised mallard
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His earlier cities fared better, they weren't your usual Sim City minmax grid hells.
If the reason is the incinerator being a bit too close to his intake and it slowly but surely killing everyone after a long time then it really is impressive.
Yeah, thats actually a real thing. Too much noise can make people sick, same reason why some particularly loud areas are cleared in Germany from being residential areas (Next to air ports for example).
XiaNaphryz
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Could the incinerator being close to the intake account for that?
Also, I would think you would need at least one treatment plant to go with basic sewage handling.
Building a grid is fine as long as you don't have two way intersections that close to each other. You need to manage areas using one way streets and traffic flow properly. There's a reason real cities use one ways in major areas. You can also use overpasses instead of relying on intersections all the time. One of the devs streamed for a while today and went into traffic a good deal since people are screwing it up.
motorised mallard
Member
The pollution zone was really, really close to one or two of his pumping stations (the water in the views wasn't polluted though). What is the point of the treatement building if the basic outflow pipe works perfectly as long as you have it downstream compared to intake?
TimeEffect
Member
Dude's giving it away on his stream. If I get it, I'm totally streaming so I can get viewers.
Which is not the same thing as someone suddenly getting sick and dying. Like I said before, there should be negative consequences to noise pollution, but not something drastic like that.
The pipes work fine as long as you don't plan on expanding in the direction of the water flow. He had basically created a giant shit Lake that didn't flow anywhere which caused problems. The treatment building is better because it allows you to use the water in different map sections without worrying about sickness.
Reflection
Member
He had a polluted water tower & pump.
What if he gives it away and you get it and you stream and you ALSO get a key and you give it away and i get it and I stream and I get a key and....
I really don't think it is accurate to say that a bunch of people suddenly got sick and died because of noise pollution. His problem built up over time for different reasons and he didn't see it coming until it was too late.
Well, since you want sensationalist:
Death by Decibel: Study Says Noise Pollution Kills
This is a real, and dangerous issue. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like that this game is making people aware of something they might not have realized before.
Additionally, he had a lot of other problems on top as I mentioned before. Polluted water, bad infrastructure, high density areas and some missing hospital coverage. Made totally sense that the whole thing snowballed into a zombie apocalypse.
Mengy
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I watched the end of his stream, yeah he had water pollution, and I'm wondering if that poop lake isn't the source of the problem. Sure his water intakes are clear across town, but he is dumping thousands of gallons of raw sewage into the landlocked lake. With the way this game simulates water sources and how they can accumulate and flood over time, could that lake be filling up with sewage and gradually spilling out above the water line? Would that pollute the ground and maybe get people sick?
Quill also needs more parks. A lot more parks.
I was thinking that too, about how maybe the flow of the river spreads pollution away from the city, but how the poop lake might actually accumulate it until it drains into the ground. I mean he had plenty of other problems, but it wouldnt surprise me if the Poop lake was one of them.
The article you posted amounts to the same thing. A long term problem that doesn't involve someone suddenly dying.
motorised mallard
Member
It probably was the incinerator close to his intakes that caused the water pollution, that or the water systems is really impressive/buggy.
Also it seems that crematories also transport bodies but still unsure if just having those is enough for transport purposes.
I'm sure I read posts from people in the UK (on other forums) saying they could buy without using a VPN. I guess they changed things. :-(
Buy it with a VPN (Hola should work but use FlyVPN if it doesn't). The game itself won't be region-locked.
...they didnt SUDDENLY die. The problem already persists in the save game he loaded and then led to problems years later.
And its not the only problem he had either. People got sick, hospitals couldnt keep up because of the infrastructure and the whole thing snowballed. Maybe this wouldnt have gone so badly, even with the same levels of noise pollution, if his hospitals and residential areas were better accessible. They werent accessible enough, people got sick, havent been treated and eventually died. Other people stressed out, still drinking polluting water and hearing too much noise, still getting no treatment and died afterwards as well.
CelticKnight
Member
I want this game but I don't think I have the spare time to be able to play it and do it justice, sadly.
I'd buy it but probably wouldn't get through the tutorial...
I'd buy it but probably wouldn't get through the tutorial...
Oh and another thing, the savefile he loaded already had 1200 sick people or something, so its not like the healthcare issues suddenly popped up. The game told him hours before that something in his city is making people sick and he never cared enough to investigate it.
At that time, it was just a matter of hitting the breaking point of one of the hospitals, (the one that already was at full max capacity I suppose) to send his city in a spiral of doom since the hospital couldnt keep up, people in that district got sick without treatment, and then more and more people got sick, spreading to other parts of the city, which slowly filled up the capacity of the hospitals there as well.
This is also the reason why I suppose that "normal" hospital coverage wasnt enough anymore for him, since that doesnt account for taking over the problems of other hospitals.
At that time, it was just a matter of hitting the breaking point of one of the hospitals, (the one that already was at full max capacity I suppose) to send his city in a spiral of doom since the hospital couldnt keep up, people in that district got sick without treatment, and then more and more people got sick, spreading to other parts of the city, which slowly filled up the capacity of the hospitals there as well.
This is also the reason why I suppose that "normal" hospital coverage wasnt enough anymore for him, since that doesnt account for taking over the problems of other hospitals.
I was checking Quills's stream and something I noticed is:
When he opened the "Health" tab that the graveyards were full (at the time I think I saw they could handle 15k bodies - maximum combined of all camps in every cemetery), meaning the small crematories in each region couldn't handle the flux of deaths that were happening (they could only burn ~8k bodies combined - it was only suppling 5 bodies each crematory van trip and I think that's why the crematories were never full - they were doing extremely long trips to pick up the bodies, and I can assume that when someone dies they are automatically put on the cemetery or are transported much quicker there) while the variety of problems with traffic, noise and pollution were happening, meaning it was a snow ball effect.
I think he didn't figured out is that the cemeteries work like trash dump zones and power incinerators: He could be burning the bodies of the cemetery with the same action as seen with the dumping zones.
The problem was when people started leaving the city because of the low land value from all the deaths :s that was unfortunate
When he opened the "Health" tab that the graveyards were full (at the time I think I saw they could handle 15k bodies - maximum combined of all camps in every cemetery), meaning the small crematories in each region couldn't handle the flux of deaths that were happening (they could only burn ~8k bodies combined - it was only suppling 5 bodies each crematory van trip and I think that's why the crematories were never full - they were doing extremely long trips to pick up the bodies, and I can assume that when someone dies they are automatically put on the cemetery or are transported much quicker there) while the variety of problems with traffic, noise and pollution were happening, meaning it was a snow ball effect.
I think he didn't figured out is that the cemeteries work like trash dump zones and power incinerators: He could be burning the bodies of the cemetery with the same action as seen with the dumping zones.
The problem was when people started leaving the city because of the low land value from all the deaths :s that was unfortunate
Etalyx closing in on 75k pop on the city he has been working on: http://www.twitch.tv/etalyx
Preordered today, was going to buy it anyways but I like what I have seen from the streams enough to bite the bullet on this one.
Preordered today, was going to buy it anyways but I like what I have seen from the streams enough to bite the bullet on this one.
Even the worst management disaster in modern American city, New Orleans during and after Katrina, which led to around 2 thousand deaths and hundreds of thousands displaced, didn't kill 3/4 of its population. So no, I don't think the game was justified in its plague. If instead the city suffered negative economic consequences due to poor health in combination with people moving out, I think I would have liked that better.
You said that you were joking earlier but now I don't really believe you. Just for the sake of this discussion I'll use your example. New Orleans had the support of a national government to help with the disaster where as his city only had its local government to handle it and they couldn't. For all its flaws Sim City 2013 managed to allow you to use other players' resources to help with crises if they were in the same region as you which was one of its better features. Comparing new Orleans to quills city is just laughable at this point though.
IAmHaunter
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I saw a few streamers play it. Seems pretty solid.
VindictiveGnome
Member
Watched Quill nearly all day. The game looks like a blast and my girlfriend even acted interested. I love how puzzle-like the traffic flow is.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Yeah, that's what I thought. The little tweet thing popped up with "Industrial waste found in soil" at one point and I think he missed it.
Conkerkid11
Member
Oh my god, that city is beautiful, and massive.
I was joking about calling the plague a zombie plague. That is what I said. Not that I wasn't annoyed by the plague in the game.
And it's the combination of federal and local gov that failed New Orleans. FEMA is federal. The broken levees was due to failed engineering by federal gov.
Starting my stream here in just a second. I'll get some gametime in but I'm going to be looking over map making, I think. Although I have a sneaky feeling I'll get sucked into the main game with my new town I started last night.
http://www.twitch.tv/ingamechat
http://www.twitch.tv/ingamechat