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[joecanada]

I don't think many fewer people would have bought PS4, as much as many more would have bought Xone. Instead of 20/10 like we have now, it would have been something like 18/15. If we had two very attractive, highly competing options, more people would have bought both. Because under your assumption the consoles would have been more or less equal, Sony would have fought much more on price, with discounts and bundles, than the comfortable ride they are taking now.

I would have contemplated switching to xbox as my first console this gen instead of ps4 if they had an equal price point for equal or better specs.... but that still would have been tempered by my mistrust in MS to actually produce games past the same ones they try to make people buy repeatedly.
My 360 literally rotted for the last year of it's existence, and that soured me a good deal as I was busy playing games on psplus every single month to the extent that I only bought about 3-4 games the entire final year of my ps3. makes a big, big difference. MS may have been gearing up for the next gen, but I feel it was a huge mistake to have such a game drought just as people were contemplating what next system they were going to buy...

 

[Final Verdict]

I don't think many fewer people would have bought PS4, as much as many more would have bought Xone. Instead of 20/10 like we have now, it would have been something like 18/15. If we had two very attractive, highly competing options, more people would have bought both. Because under your assumption the consoles would have been more or less equal, Sony would have fought much more on price, with discounts and bundles, than the comfortable ride they are taking now.

I agree completely.

I when I said they probably would'nt have 20M (in that hypothetical universe), I wasn't necessarily meaning that it would be a whole lot less, and your 18/15 scenario is about what I had in mind actually.

 

[Javin98]

Sorry, I just looked at my numbers after posting, and I think you are right, though technically we cannot say for sure since we have not had an update on X1 WW sales in so long.
But X1 has sold through 6.35M in the US through January...
If we guess that X1 sold ~250k in Feb NPD this year, that would put them at 6.5M NPD LTD, and double of that would be 13M WW which is definitely too high...
If they have sold through 11M units WW through march 1st (which is just a rough guess), then that would put their US-WW sales ratio at 60% which is probably accurate.

Yep, sounds about right. Though I would put the percentage slightly higher, maybe around 62%. Let's not forget the insane deals during holiday 2014. I'm pretty sure in those two months the percentage was closer to 70%. But the question remains, how much did the PS4 sell in the US to even get 1.7 million WW?

 

[The Artisan]

Well i have not specifically worked game retail, but have done general retail, and usuallly the way things work is the manufacturers sell a product to the retailer for a price, and that is where they make their money.
The retailers then decide on a price to sell it for (usually a bit higher than what they got if for) which is usually at the recommended price, and make a profit based on that.

With returned consoles they actually make even more money because they pay the customer a certain price for the system, and then turn around and sell it for more to make a profit off of it.

Once a console gets so old, and they can't sell used version of the console anymore because the demand is so low, they stop accepting the console as a trade in to avoid losing money. That is why they quickly stopped accepting the OG xbox after the 360 came out because most people were trading it in, and then nobody would want to rebuy it.

wasn't the Ps4's price announced at e3? $399? or was that sony announcing their msrp

Also this. I think in this case it works together quite well, as the brand was a synonym for diversity, in some countries even a synonyme for gaming.
It was something microsoft always tries hard with their products, as in "letmebingthatforyou. com". doesn't always work out.
sadly, this was even more for nintendo ("shut down your nintendo and go to bed"), but it seems that here, the brand power alone was not enough.

yeah. no one wants to use bing. god.

I don't think the brand is that important until other factors coalesce. If it was, there was no reason for the PS3 to falter the way it did, because that was coming right after the PS brand's absolute peak in popularity (when it was as ubiquitous to gaming as Nintendo was in the 80s).

I think system diversity and lineup plays a stronger role in the end, because that's a major reason why 360 started dominating PS3 in NA. I think people forget just how diverse the early 360's lineup was from 2005-2009 or so, it was incredibly diverse, even on the 1st party front. And that made it appeal to all types of gamers. It was a level of diversity in its library the PS3 didn't begin to match (let alone exceed) until 2-3 years after that point, by which time the 360 just started focusing on Kinect games, multiplatforms that had no major visual (or, arguably, online) advantages on its system, and that Forza/Halo/Gears trinity that gets mocked these days (even though the other manufacturers have their own similar trinities, especially Nintendo).

I thought the 360 was winning because of its strength in its strongest regions. I've been told that once the Ps3 debuted, it had been outselling the 360 almost everywhere except where console gaming is strongest.

The Xbox brand was still pretty weak when 360 launched; it grew more powerful globally (especially in UK) thanks partly to the early diversity in its library. Aka, the exact same thing the PS4 is offering right now. Brand name wasn't enough to help PS3 steamroll 360 that gen, especially in NA where it's still millions behind in sales. But this time, with a combination of factors including improved brand name from the later half of PS3's lineup and focusing on a balance of AAA and indie games across multiple platforms, the PS4 is cleaning house so to speak, and will continue to do so for rest of the year (yep, even in NA).

Ps4 is also the followup to pretty much the most popular console gaming brand of the last 20 years.

That was only in the US.

I suspected as much.

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

It's going to be very interesting to see the gap between XB1 and PS4 by the end of this year, the two exclusive heavy hitters will be uncharted 4 and Halo 5 but besides that there's no game on either console that will push hardware much. It's all gonna be down to the multiplatform games again, for example whoever gets the ea star wars game co-advertising might have a lot of consoles sold, because people like that crap.

Sony don't have watch dogs or destiny this year but have batman and MSG 5 which I don't think will move consoles too much. MS have COD, assassins creed, FIFA and probably battlefield (confused with that one due to hardline) so they have quite a bit to look forward to. FIFA ain't done fuck all to help MS though, that franchise is Playstation through and through.

 

[The Artisan]

It's going to be very interesting to see the gap between XB1 and PS4 by the end of this year, the two exclusive heavy hitters will be uncharted 4 and Halo 5 but besides that there's no game on either console that will push hardware much. It's all gonna be down to the multiplatform games again, for example whoever gets the ea star wars game co-advertising might have a lot of consoles sold, because people like that crap.

Sony don't have watch dogs or destiny this year but have batman and MSG 5 which I don't think will move consoles too much. MS have COD, assassins creed, FIFA and probably battlefield (confused with that one due to hardline) so they have quite a bit to look forward to. FIFA ain't done fuck all to help MS though, that franchise is Playstation through and through.

is ffs15 releasing this year? i think that's could move Ps4s moreso than xbones. same with tekken 7. and, I think this month will have a higher npd than people may think, from bloodborne.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

It bugs me that the PS2 bar is in the 30-40 million range when it's level with the GCN & Xbox bars.

30-40 million PS2 only goes as high as like 10-20 million Cubes and Xboxes. The graphic is showing the scale of actual game consoles stacked one atop the other, so the PS2 bar fits way more systems in less space because they are stacking them in horizontal orientation. The dedication they showed to dimensional accuracy is really impressive.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

It's going to be very interesting to see the gap between XB1 and PS4 by the end of this year, the two exclusive heavy hitters will be uncharted 4 and Halo 5 but besides that there's no game on either console that will push hardware much. It's all gonna be down to the multiplatform games again, for example whoever gets the ea star wars game co-advertising might have a lot of consoles sold, because people like that crap.

Sony don't have watch dogs or destiny this year but have batman and MSG 5 which I don't think will move consoles too much. MS have COD, assassins creed, FIFA and probably battlefield (confused with that one due to hardline) so they have quite a bit to look forward to. FIFA ain't done fuck all to help MS though, that franchise is Playstation through and through.

I don't think we know yet if they have FIFA and AC do we? That's normally only known when they show them at whatever E3 conference. CoD will of course be at MS because they seem to have a long term deal with that one. But the others I'm not so sure on.

Batman won't be a massive system seller sure but MGS certainly has a good fan base which could lead to a nice healthy boost in hardware globally, despite it being old gen too. If the PS4 is cheaper by then, it could be the catalyst for many to upgrade, especially as it's September and Gamescom right before it, is the perfect time to when Sony could drop the price.

 

[Final Verdict]

Yep, sounds about right. Though I would put the percentage slightly higher, maybe around 62%. Let's not forget the insane deals during holiday 2014. I'm pretty sure in those two months the percentage was closer to 70%. But the question remains, how much did the PS4 sell in the US to even get 1.7 million WW?

Yeah, well I an not going to try to get nitty gritty with this as it is pointless since we don't have any official sale through numbers that are less than a year old.

wasn't the Ps4's price announced at e3? $399? or was that sony announcing their msrp

$399 would be their recommended MSRP...basically what all the retailers are expected to be selling it at.

They can go lower if they want to boost sales, but that would be considered a retail specific deal, and they usually make their money on those when people that come in for the deal buy other stuff with it such as a gamestop pro membership.

I think that they could technically sell it at higher, but if they did, it would just make their store look bad for inflating the price, and people would just buy the product from somewhere else.

(But retail inflation has happened...such as when the R920x first came out, I think a lot of retailers were marking up the price above the MSRP because it was selling out so fast)

 

[Justified]

Yeah, well I an not going to try to get nitty gritty with this as it is pointless since we don't have any official sale through numbers that are less than a year old.



$399 would be their recommended MSRP...basically what all the retailers are expected to be selling it at.

They can go lower if they want to boost sales, but that would be considered a retail specific deal, and they usually make their money on those when people that come in for the deal buy other stuff with it such as a gamestop pro membership.

I think that they could technically sell it at higher, but if they did, it would just make their store look bad for inflating the price, and people would just buy the product from somewhere else.

(But retail inflation has happened...such as when the R920x first came out, I think a lot of retailers were marking up the price above the MSRP because it was selling out so fast)

The PS4 eye is an example of that also. I would actually be interested in seeing the sales numbers for it

 

[semiconscious]

It's going to be very interesting to see the gap between XB1 and PS4 by the end of this year, the two exclusive heavy hitters will be uncharted 4 and Halo 5 but besides that there's no game on either console that will push hardware much. It's all gonna be down to the multiplatform games again, for example whoever gets the ea star wars game co-advertising might have a lot of consoles sold, because people like that crap.

Sony don't have watch dogs or destiny this year but have batman and MSG 5 which I don't think will move consoles too much. MS have COD, assassins creed, FIFA and probably battlefield (confused with that one due to hardline) so they have quite a bit to look forward to. FIFA ain't done fuck all to help MS though, that franchise is Playstation through and through.

i disagree. before the existing gap, when the playing field was more level, multi-platform tie-ins might've carried some weight. as is, with ps4 so far ahead, i'm just not seeing this stuff being all that effective...

unless, of course, you're talking u.s./u.k. holiday bundles ...

 

[Elfstruck]

Wth happended in here? People were discussing sales, now all I see for the last couples of page is whether The Order is 1st or not? :lol

 

[Final Verdict]

i disagree. before the existing gap, when the playing field was more level, multi-platform tie-ins might've carried some weight. as is, with ps4 so far ahead, i'm just not seeing this stuff being all that effective...

unless, of course, you're talking u.s./u.k. holiday bundles ...

Watchdogs and Destiny both had a big impact on PS4 sales in their respective launch months.
I think that is what he is talking about.
Also, Cod helped X1 a lot in November.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I don't think we know yet if they have FIFA and AC do we? That's normally only known when they show them at whatever E3 conference. CoD will of course be at MS because they seem to have a long term deal with that one. But the others I'm not so sure on.

Batman won't be a massive system seller sure but MGS certainly has a good fan base which could lead to a nice healthy boost in hardware globally, despite it being old gen too. If the PS4 is cheaper by then, it could be the catalyst for many to upgrade, especially as it's September and Gamescom right before it, is the perfect time to when Sony could drop the price.

Batman could be a huge system seller even more so than MGS in some ways .
It's only on next gen systems which make it all the better to try and move consoles .
The series also sells a good amount if i remember right .

 

[Opiate]

I agree. Its been getting really annoying lately. Its like "they only like the game to validate their purchase" bullshit.

Just to be sure, I want to emphasize this: confirmation bias is a real thing, and I'm sure some people do end up with post-purchase rationalization. These are not crazy psycho-babble terms; they're well understood phenomena. But none of that would be particular to the PS4. It isn't like Sony is the only one with advertising.

A lot of people with clear biases like to place a huge portion of the fault/blame/success/etc. for any product on advertising. There is a reason for this: if you don't like something that is doing well, you can convince yourself the product sucks but people are being brainwashed. In turn, if you do like something that is selling poorly, you can convince yourself that the product is awesome, it's just that people aren't getting the message about how awesome the product is. If only people could really try the amazing exclusives and features the Xbox One offers, they would see the light! Insert anything else here: 3DS, Wii U, whatever. Once you've truly tried the Wii U tablet, you'll know how amazing it is! Advertising just isn't doing the system justice!

I don't mean that advertising doesn't matter at all; of course it does. But when you're really invested in something, you have a tendency to exaggerate the effects of advertising whenever it suits you. If a game you like sells poorly, it's not people just don't like it, because obviously the game is awesome and that cannot be questioned. It's because the advertising was bad. If a game you hate sells well, it's because the sheeple just like shiny new things and the advertising made them do it.

 

[Delusibeta]

I don't think we know yet if they have FIFA and AC do we? That's normally only known when they show them at whatever E3 conference. CoD will of course be at MS because they seem to have a long term deal with that one. But the others I'm not so sure on.

Batman won't be a massive system seller sure but MGS certainly has a good fan base which could lead to a nice healthy boost in hardware globally, despite it being old gen too. If the PS4 is cheaper by then, it could be the catalyst for many to upgrade, especially as it's September and Gamescom right before it, is the perfect time to when Sony could drop the price.

FIFA's had an Xbox advertising deal almost as long as CoD had. With that said, I could see EA spreading their bets across both platforms. (Battlefield is usually PlayStation, right? I'd imagine Battlefront will be promoted by the same console). As for AssCreed, Microsoft would be extremely dumb to settle for a single year, I'd expect this year's AssCreed and next year's AC would be under the Xbox banner.

As for Batman not being a system seller, I would disagree, since it's the first major multiplatform game to forgo the oldgen consoles (second if you count AssCreed Unity), and so would encourage fence sitters into buying a newgen console. Now, whether Batman being promoted by the PS4 would cause more PS4s being sold than if Batman was being promoted by the Xbone, I'd doubt. With that said, the friend factor is probably a bigger influence than what game is promoted by what console, and by the balance of probabilities that's going to help the PS4 more.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I thought the 360 was winning because of its strength in its strongest regions. I've been told that once the Ps3 debuted, it had been outselling the 360 almost everywhere except where console gaming is strongest.
Ps4 is also the followup to pretty much the most popular console gaming brand of the last 20 years.

But the reason it had that strength was because of the features it offered and its diverse game library. If it had PS3's problem with multiplats and its lineup was virtually switched w/ PS3s, it'd of been dead two years into the gen. You don't get brand power by not providing something to get it, that's what I'm saying.

Also I don't quite grasp the concept of PS4 being the follow-up to a brand in and of itself. It's part of the PS brand, so it's a new PlayStation. And again, it enjoys that popularity because of what it provided. The brand itself isn't a product, but the games and services umbrella'd under it are, and they feed the brand's perception.

If anything PS4 is enjoying the goodwill the PS3 built up post-2010, and a selection of games and services that are appealing to people outside of the traditional PS demographic but still mostly core gamers. Basically, folks from the PC/Xbox/Nintendo camps, and maybe some mobile gamers who fancy a taste.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

FIFA's had an Xbox advertising deal almost as long as CoD had.

FIFA 09, 10, 11, 12 and 13 all had PS exclusive marketing.

 

[mike4001_]

The only reason the 360 sold that well is because it released a year prior, otherwise the PS3 would've been much more closer in the US and the UK.

This

+ 599$ PS3
+ (Slightly) better MP Titles
+ working online infrastructure (can anyone remember online at the start of PS3 .. it was a joke)

Microsoft basically had ALL the advantages last gen and they barely came out 1:1.

Now with their launch-fuck up, the current situation .... while it is becoming better ... is not really surprising.

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

Absolutely not deserved in my opinion!

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Absolutely not deserved in my opinion!

Can you at least expend on this? Who is more deserving and why?

 

[M°°nblade]

I know I wasn't the person you were talking to, but I'm not sure why the answer can't be both.

That is, FIFA can sell systems. So can Wii Fit. Call of Duty can sell systems. So can Nintendogs. GTA can sell systems. So can Puzzle and Dragons.

I don't think people stop and consider whether a game is exclusive or not when they buy a system. They see a/some games they like, and buy it. If that game happens to be exclusive, then whatever effect it has is concentrated entirely on one platform. If it's not, it's dispersed. A mainline Mario game may sell 1M systems, and all of that will be concentrated on Nintendo's platform. A mainline Call of Duty may also sell 1M systems, but those will be dispersed across Playstation, Xbox and PC.

It feels like people want this to be either/or, where exclusives sell systems or multiplatform games sell systems. I don't understand why the answer can't be both: compelling games sell systems, whether they happen to be multiplatform or not.

I agree.
People around these boards look at the term 'system seller' from a point of view that's rather elitist and platformspecific compared to the average gamer.
My neighbour who owned a Wii, just bought a PS4 for Fifa and AC:BF. And by looking at the sales of those games, they probably sold most PS4's.

 

[Quadraphonic]

This

+ 599$ PS3
+ (Slightly) better MP Titles
+ working online infrastructure (can anyone remember online at the start of PS3 .. it was a joke)

Microsoft basically had ALL the advantages last gen and they barely came out 1:1.

Now with their launch-fuck up, the current situation .... while it is becoming better ... is not really surprising.

The way I usually put it is that, Sony did everything wrong, and Microsoft didn't fuck up severely.

The issues last gen were more with Sony's hubris than Microsoft's perseverance.

Considering the titan that the PS2 was, Sony literally had to shit out a box that fucking played games and they managed to make that a difficult hurdle.

 

[Neuromancer]

Absolutely not deserved in my opinion!

How so?

 

[GhostWriter24]

Absolutely not deserved in my opinion!

And what sound reasoning you give for this profound opinion!

EDIT: Ah, the username. Got it.

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

How so?

1. Sony did nothing great for gamers so far
2. The Nintendo Wii U has the better games in my opinion and deserves more sales than the PlayStation 4
3. Sony did false advertised the PlayStation Vita as AAA machine and now they don't care about their PlayStation Vita owners anymore
4. Their PlayStation 4 system updates does take too long until they release and their are not enough system updates, Microsoft does make such a better job with that!
5. They doesen't wanted EA Access just because they wanted to sell their own in my opinion overpriced PSN+ programm, instead of letting gamers the choice

Please note that these are only my opinions

 

[spatenfloot]

Absolutely not deserved in my opinion!

I am intrigued by your philosophy and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Portugeezer]

1. Sony did nothing great for gamers so far
2. The Nintendo Wii U has the better games in my opinion and deserves more sales than the PlayStation 4
3. Sony did false advertised the PlayStation Vita as AAA machine and now they don't care about their PlayStation Vita owners anymore
4. Their PlayStation 4 system updates does take too long until they release and their are not enough system updates, Microsoft does make such a better job with that!
5. They doesen't wanted EA Access just because they wanted to sell their own in my opinion overpriced PSN+ programm, instead of letting gamers the choice

Please note that these are only my opinions

Terrible reasons.

 

[Rymuth]

1. Sony did nothing great for gamers so far
2. The Nintendo Wii U has the better games in my opinion and deserves more sales than the PlayStation 4
3. Sony did false advertised the PlayStation Vita as AAA machine and now they don't care about their PlayStation Vita owners anymore
4. Their PlayStation 4 system updates does take too long until they release and their are not enough system updates, Microsoft does make such a better job with that!
5. They doesen't wanted EA Access just because they wanted to sell their own in my opinion overpriced PSN+ programm, instead of letting gamers the choice

Please note that these are only my opinions

Your opinions on Sony have been well established before

Sony knows what's good for you! Please don't forget, Sony also saved you from EA Access because they think it's bad value for you

Nintendo will be there long time after Sony gone bankrupt in my opinion

Sony or Microsoft will never reach the quality level that Nintendo games has, but this is only my opinion

In my opinion Street Fighter V would exist without Sony until someone shows me an official statement from Capcom where Capcom say that Street Fighter V would not exist without Sony!

You seem rather tortured by this company...

 

[Version 3.0]

Yikes.

Spoiler

LMFAO!

Thanks for the laugh. I thought nobody was going to.

You forgot create a petition.

But I don't advise that. ;^p

 

[FeenixRising]

Your opinions on Sony have been well established before






You seem rather tortured by this company...

well.... damn.

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

Terrible reasons.

That's your opinion and I have mine If you think that Sony deserves that than you have to live with it

 

[Mass_Pincup]

1. Sony has nothing great for gamers so far
2. The Nintendo Wii U has the better games in my opinion and deserves more sales than the PlayStation 4
3. Sony did false advertised the PlayStation Vita as AAA machine and now they don't care about their PlayStation Vita owners anymore
4. Their PlayStation 4 system updates does take too long until they release and their are not enough system updates, Microsoft does make such a better job with that!
5. They doesen't wanted EA Access just because they wanted to sell their own in my opinion overpriced PSN+ programm, instead of letting gamers the choice

Please note that these are only my opinions

1. That's factually false
2. That's your opinion but want if the mainstream don't like those games, how are they more deserving if the customer decided that they were not worth it?
3. They did not, they release those AAA games no one bought them so they moved on
4. Since when are system update a reason to buy a console?
5. How does PS+ is overpriced when it give you 6 games a month? That's 72 games a year so less then 1$ the game.

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

You seem rather tortured by this company...

I must not like Sony if I don't want to If they would not do so much wrong things in my opinion than I would like then too!

 

[AmFreak]

This

+ 599$ PS3
+ (Slightly) better MP Titles
+ working online infrastructure (can anyone remember online at the start of PS3 .. it was a joke)

Microsoft basically had ALL the advantages last gen and they barely came out 1:1.

Now with their launch-fuck up, the current situation .... while it is becoming better ... is not really surprising.

While i agree with your points.
There where advantages on Sony's side that helped them:
- reputation as the more powerful machine (at least partly)
- brand reputation (expectation to get japanese games on the ps3)
- free online
- much bigger 1st party

 

[Neuromancer]

System updates being a reason, haha oh man. This thread title just gets truer with each passing day.

 

[Intrigue]

I must not like Sony if I don't want to If they would not do so much wrong things in my opinion than I would like then too!

I can only imagine how much more you must hate Microsoft based upon your hate for Sony.

 

[Justified]

1. That's factually false
2. That's your opinion but want if the mainstream don't like those games, how are they more deserving if the customer decided that they were not worth it?
3. They did not, they release those AAA games no one bought them so they moved on
4. Since when are system update a reason to buy a console?
5. How does PS+ is overpriced when it give you 6 games a month? That's 72 games a year so less then 1$ the game.

I think he was referring to PS NOW

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

1. That's factually false
2. That's your opinion but want if the mainstream don't like those games, how are they more deserving if the customer decided that they were not worth it?
3. They did not, they release those AAA games no one bought them so they moved on
4. Since when are system update a reason to buy a console?
5. How does PS+ is overpriced when it give you 6 games a month? That's 72 games a year so less then 1$ the game.

1. What did they do in your opinion?
2. That's true it's my opinion
3. But people expected full support after the announcement for the full lifespan, it's always funny how fanboys find excuses for their favorite companys
4. System updates arr not a reason to buy a console, but they show that their companys support their customers and offer new features
5. I meant the thing where you have to pay 5 Dollars to rent a game for 1 hour and stuff like that, could be possible that I meantioned it wrong sorry

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

I can only imagine how much more you must hate Microsoft based upon your hate for Sony.

I like Microsoft They make a really good job with the Xbox One in my opinion.

 

[le.phat]

Your opinions on Sony have been well established before






You seem rather tortured by this company...

Well if you're a nintendo fan and take these conzulwarz as serious as this guy, you betcha it hurts

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

I think he was referring to PS NOW

That's true, thanks

 

[DNAbro]

I must not like Sony if I don't want to If they would not do so much wrong things in my opinion than I would like then too!

:\
:|

 

[Intrigue]

1. What did they do in your opinion?
2. That's true it's my opinion
3. But people expected full support after the announcement for the full lifespan, it's always funny how fanboys find excuses for their favorite companys
4. System updates arr not a reason to buy a console, but they show that their companys support their customers and offer new features
5. I meant the thing where you have to pay 5 Dollars to rent a game for 1 hour and stuff like that, could be possible that I meantioned it wrong sorry

3: You mean just how microsoft kept supporting the 360 with new products during their last 15-18 months?

 

[Stanng243]

I wish all those people who said PS4 has no games were right sometimes. I just picked up the zombie army trilogy, and their is still 4 more retail games I am getting this month, 2 of which are collectors editions. If there is no PS4 games on the PS4, whydoes my wallet weep so much?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

1. What did they do in your opinion?
2. That's true it's my opinion
3. But people expected full support after the announcement for the full lifespan, it's always funny how fanboys find excuses for their favorite companys
4. System updates arr not a reason to buy a console, but they show that their companys support their customers and offer new features
5. I meant the thing where you have to pay 5 Dollars to rent a game for 1 hour and stuff like that, could be possible that I meantioned it wrong sorry

1. I think having the highest number of games between the 3 platform is pretty good. They also acknowledge feedback from the gamers and help release Suikoden 1 and 2, Yakuza 5, Grim Fandango etc..

3. I don't find any excuses for Sony, I find it funny that you're calling me a fanboy though. Here's the number of exclusive games Sony released for the Vita 24, across 3 years. That's more then the 20 games of Nintendo with their WiiU. So does Nintendo not support the WiiU?

4. Sony also does it albeit less regularly. Does Nintendo release update more regularly then Sony? If not does that also mean they don't support their customers?

5. This I can agree

 

[Neuromancer]

I wish all those people who said PS4 has no games were right sometimes. I just picked up the zombie army trilogy, and their is still 4 more retail games I am getting this month, 2 of which are collectors editions. If there is no PS4 games on the PS4, whydoes my wallet weep so much?

And why do I not have nearly enough time to play all the games I've been meaning to?

 

[TheDarkTriforce]

Well if you're a nintendo fan and take these conzulwarz as serious as this guy, you betcha it hurts

I have my reasons thy I think that they don't deserve those sales, this has nothing to do with consoles wars,, if they would do a better job than I would like Sony too!

 

[Zaventem]

His name is darktriforce. What were you guys expecting?

 

[Justified]

Looks like he was banned