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Purple Cheeto said:
Okay but at the start of the show, she:

1. Lives with her dad, despite being in her 20s.
2. Only has a part time job as a barista
3. Is maybe going to night classes or something to become a journalist?
4. Doesn't have much of a personality to speak of

I'm not even sure she's a "good person". What does she do that indicates she is? I'm not saying she's a bad person, she's just kind of, there.

I will give that she is smoking hot.
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ReiGun said:
What does living at home or working part time in her 20's have to do with her being a good person or not? Lots of people, good and bad, are in that exact situation.
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Seriously. She works a part time job, is getting an education and lives at home in her 20s. If that excludes her from being a good person, then there are tens of millions of people worldwide are just bad as Iris.

As far as her personality goes, if we're assuming she actually lives and breathes a life outside of what we see on the TV screen she could have lots going for her. Other than the thing with Linda and Barry she hasn't done anything malicious or hurtful to people.
 
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Game4life said:
Iris is one of the worst television characters ever. I hope the producers end her character soon. Absolutely terrible everytime she shows up.
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this post is one of the worst ever

Iris sucks but at worst she's forgettable and just...there

1. Lives with her dad, despite being in her 20s.
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lmao

this has become the common reality in 2015, what world do you live in?
 
Purple Cheeto said:
Okay but at the start of the show, she:

1. Lives with her dad, despite being in her 20s.
2. Only has a part time job as a barista
3. Is maybe going to night classes or something to become a journalist?
4. Doesn't have much of a personality to speak of

I'm not even sure she's a "good person". What does she do that indicates she is? I'm not saying she's a bad person, she's just kind of, there.

I will give that she is smoking hot.
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This reads like nitpicking. She has also shown some personality to me.
 
Game4life said:
Iris is one of the worst television characters ever. I hope the producers end her character soon. Absolutely terrible everytime she shows up.
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I don't like Iris atm, she may be one of the worst parts of the show, but she is no where near one of the worst ever.

She needs to get in line behind Lori Grimes, Andrea and Laurel before she can even be considered.

Iris is in danger of becoming a pointless character but she isn't in the same league as Laurel or even Felicity in that latest season.

There are plenty of annoying characters from shows I don't like but seem to be popular, Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men etc.
 
I know some people don't like the Rogues, but frankly they have bad taste. Also it seems the producers didn't intend for Episode 14 to be the cliffhanger and that Ep 15 was meant to be the big one like on Arrow.

Ep. 16 "Rogue Time"
CAPTAIN COLD AND HEAT WAVE RETURN TO CENTRAL CITY; PEYTON LIST GUEST STARS AS LISA SNART — The Flash (Grant Gustin) learns that Captain Cold (guest star Wentworth Miller) and Heat Wave (guest star Dominic Purcell) have returned to Central City. This time Snart has brought along his baby sister Lisa (guest star Peyton List) to help wreak havoc on the city. John Behring directed the episode with story by Grainne Godfree and teleplay by Brooke Eikmeier & Kai Yu Wu (#116). Original airdate 3/24/2015.
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ZeroX03 said:
I know some people don't like the Rogues, but frankly they have bad taste. Also it seems the producers didn't intend for Episode 14 to be the cliffhanger and that Ep 15 was meant to be the big one like on Arrow.

Ep. 16 "Rogue Time"
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Since
Geoff Johns isn't writing this one I guess it'll be time to see if the writing of the previous two rogue episodes actually was his fault.
 
BKatastrophe said:
What?

How?

What?

At her worst she contributes nothing.

At her best she contributes nothing.
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Its like people forgot all about actual bad characters on TV shows like Kennedy and Riley. *shivers*

ZeroX03 said:
I know some people don't like the Rogues, but frankly they have bad taste. Also it seems the producers didn't intend for Episode 14 to be the cliffhanger and that Ep 15 was meant to be the big one like on Arrow.

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People who don't like the Rogues are legitimately bad people with bad taste.
 
The wait is killing me, i really want to see how all the Reverse Flash plot actually ends. I wonder if they are really going full Flashpoint with the TV series.

Game4life said:
Iris is one of the worst television characters ever. I hope the producers end her character soon. Absolutely terrible everytime she shows up.
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Not even close, try to see Laurel in Arrow.
 
sturmdogg said:
Isn't that Lois Lane?
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Yup
Jorok Goldblade said:
"Oliver is too much like Batman. Make Iris exactly like Lois Lane."
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Didn't say that. I said "as good as Lois Lane." As in, she's competent, she's badass, she's cool, and she actually contributes something to the show. Also, I've never made a complaint about Oliver being too much like Batman, so you can target that towards someone that actually might fall under your frustrations.
marrec said:
Its like people forgot all about actual bad characters on TV shows like Kennedy and Riley. *shivers*
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Assuming you're referring to Buffy the Vampire Slayer neither of them are bad either. Riley had a really good character arc, and at his worst he was a bit too white bread, but that's what made him different and unique in comparison to the rest. Kennedy was a bit of a brat, but she was intended to be the opposite of Tara and she was by far and away the best out of the Potentials and the most tolerable.

Both of those characters were perfectly fine.
 
Purple Cheeto said:
I mean in all honesty, what does Eddie or Barry even see in Iris? Like I get Barry because he's a nerd and has known her forever, but Eddie? Eddie x Iris makes no sense.
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Did this post actually happen?

People get into relationships for a lot less than this. For all we know that may have found love over their favorite type of tea and dream to travel to China some day.

WTF cares. Iris is such a minor character right now it doesn't matter at all.
 
ReiGun said:
What does living at home or working part time in her 20's have to do with her being a good person or not? Lots of people, good and bad, are in that exact situation.
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Nothing. I was just saying she doesn't seem to bring much to the table. I don't hate Iris, I just want the writers to give her a little more depth. I want them to make her into an actual character, not an object.

ZeroX03 said:
Seriously. She works a part time job, is getting an education and lives at home in her 20s. If that excludes her from being a good person, then there are tens of millions of people worldwide are just bad as Iris.

As far as her personality goes, if we're assuming she actually lives and breathes a life outside of what we see on the TV screen she could have lots going for her. Other than the thing with Linda and Barry she hasn't done anything malicious or hurtful to people.
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I wasn't trying to correlate living with your parents and not being a good person. I wasn't even trying to say Iris isn't a good person. You guys need to relax a little.

Spiritreaver said:
Did this post actually happen?

People get into relationships for a lot less than this. For all we know that may have found love over their favorite type of tea and dream to travel to China some day.

WTF cares. Iris is such a minor character right now it doesn't matter at all.
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Because at some point she needs to stop being a minor character, so building her depth early on would be nice.
 
iris is fine, she just had that really idiotic moment where she tried to cockblock barry. but everybody has dumb moments so whatever.

there's certainly a pattern here, and it's not the viewer's ire of woman characters imo. i'm thinking these comic book shows have some sloppy writing for their female roles always and then getting piled on by the internet. barbara in gotham's our latest.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Everyone complaining about Iris as a love interest has clearly never had to suffer through Lana Lang. Keep it in perspective, people.
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Just think, we could have years and years of on again off again relationship stuff between Iris and Barry, then way at the end they can infuse Iris with some sort of anti speedforce stuff so Barry can never go near her again - good god Smallville was bad with Clark/Lana.
 
Discotheque said:
iris is fine, she just had that really idiotic moment where she tried to cockblock barry. but everybody has dumb moments so whatever.

there's certainly a pattern here, and it's not the viewer's ire of woman characters imo. i'm thinking these comic book shows have some sloppy writing for their female roles always making them undermine our lovable protagonists and then getting piled on by the internet. barbara in gotham's our latest.
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Barbara is a whole 'nother thing, though. That's clearly deliberate. They want her to suffer.

The Cowboy said:
Just think, we could have years and years of on again off again relationship stuff between Iris and Barry, then way at the end they can infuse Iris with some sort of anti speedforce stuff so Barry can never go near her again - good god Smallville was bad with Clark/Lana.
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So, so bad. That fucking kryptonite necklace, the constant "meteor freaks" trying to whatever, argh.
 
Purple Cheeto said:
Because at some point she needs to stop being a minor character, so building her depth early on would be nice.
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I don't agree simply because it would slow down the amazing pace the show has to dedicate an episode to her when she will likely not have a single addition to the story this season.

Yes, she will become a central character later, but I really don't need to know about her right now. There's more important things in the universe to establish.

I think if/when they start to explore Eddie more is when we'll get more Iris, obviously. Eddie for the most part is being similarly developed he's just present more often. I mean I can't think of anything interesting about Eddie aside from the episode where he meets Reverse Flash. The "Flash sucks booooo" miniarc was quickly reversed so it's not an expansion of his character.
 
The Cowboy said:
Just think, we could have years and years of on again off again relationship stuff between Iris and Barry, then way at the end they can infuse Iris with some sort of anti speedforce stuff so Barry can never go near her again - good god Smallville was bad with Clark/Lana.
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Poodlestrike said:
So, so bad. That fucking kryptonite necklace, the constant "meteor freaks" trying to whatever, argh.
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Unsurprising since the people in charge of the show saw Lois as basically a "second choice" to Clark because he couldn't be with Lana and actively took away letting Clark be the one to decidedly end it with her after what should've been a revelation that she was no longer the girl he once had a crush on and was in love with. But nope, invisible Kryptonite super suit bullshit that the show runners thought was some amazingly deep and clever metaphor for how Lana relationship was poisonous to Clark.

Iris might still be a empty book but she is not anywhere REMOTELY close to being the worst anything, at worst as a character she's just... There with no truly defining characteristics or role of significance as of yet. It's not like she's the only one, she'll get there eventually.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
Iris might still be a empty book but she is not anywhere REMOTELY close to being the worst anything, at worst as a character she's just... There with no truly defining characteristics or role of significance as of yet. It's not like she's the only one, she'll get there eventually.
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Who then is the worst character in the show? I enjoy every other regular. Only Iris makes my eyes roll whenever she appears.
 
She is the worst character on the show, but she isn't a bad character or one of the worst characters ever. There is just nothing much to her at the moment.
 
I'd like to point out that at this point, we know more about who Iris is than we know about Eddie or maybe even Cisco. To say she has no depth or characteristics is to ignore everything we've seen about the character.

We know she cares deeply about Barry and is always trying to do what's best for him. We know she believes in the Flash and in his mission (even if she's not a part of it). We know she started the series with internal conflict about what she wanted to do and that now that she has set her sights on journalism and finds herself in a place where she is being used and not respected, she doubts her abilities. We know she's independent and refuses to let her father or Barry make her decisions for her. We know she wants to bang Oliver Queen (lol).

The problem with Iris is not that she has nothing going on as a character; it's that everything she has going on is detached from the main story. We don't care that we don't know much about Cisco outside of him being the smart guy who blew Ronnie up and made some funky guns but we don't care because he's actively involved week to week in the big meta human plots. Same with Eddie to a smaller extent - and to be fair, even he is a little detached and gets some hate. If you watch Arrow, you know we knew hardly anything about Felicity for like a season and half, and she was one of the show's most popular characters because she was funny and actively involved week to week with Oliver's cases. Iris is doing her own thing more often than not, and considering her thing is never really as interesting as what the Flash is doing (since usually some poorly written romance BS or her journalism stuff which is only just starting to take off) it makes her annoying.

Do I think Iris is a poorly written character? No. They've written her fine for what her intended purpose is and the only really hiccup was that thing with Linda. The real problem is that she's just kind of being kept out of the big stuff for no real reason and it's causing her own character and plot development to drag on.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Yup

Didn't say that. I said "as good as Lois Lane." As in, she's competent, she's badass, she's cool, and she actually contributes something to the show. Also, I've never made a complaint about Oliver being too much like Batman, so you can target that towards someone that actually might fall under your frustrations.
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I misread the post while thinking about the general trends in the Arrow thread. I retract my original statement.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I want Hero Eddie to start getting some wins before they rip his life apart.

He should become total buds with The Flash.
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With Eddie being the "Tommy" of the Flash series (character named after a villain as a red herring,) I wonder if he'll share the same fate? Maybe he sacrifices himself in an attempt to erase Reverse Flash from the timeline?
 
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