Revengineer
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lmfao
Dan gives me hope that I will eventually fool everyone into accepting me as a professional.
Giant Bombcast - 03/10/15
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lmfao
Dan gives me hope that I will eventually fool everyone into accepting me as a professional.
Saw it, I need more
Xyrmellon
Member
The tagline couldn't be closer to the truth, I think. I remember when they were talking about food and going to developer events and hating the food:
Jeff: "I can be a functional adult, I'll eat stuff if I have to..."
Dan: "I had a reputation. They'd call me in advance about the food...."
skLaFarebear
Member
I can agree there, however I feel like most people can still greatly enjoy Dark Souls without having to interact with the community or read about every single thing online (like I did with my first playthrough of DS1 which is still my favorite playthrough of any DS game ever). Its difficult, but doesn't require you following a guide to figure out things in order to have fun with the game. That's more than I could ever say for Monster Hunter which is not only obtuse, but just plain boring for way too long to start.
I don't have a problem with Monster Hunter not entirely explaining its mechanics because picking up on things as you play is cool. I do however have a lot of personal problems with that game that makes the idea of me picking it back up want to throw up.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think Dark Souls is more fun and more exciting with community interaction and people who are in similar areas of progression to you.
I think Monster Hunter requires you to have someone to show you the ropes. Some of this is just because the game does things differently, someone of it is because the game does things badly. I think the good outweighs the bad, even though I'm sure I would have probably shelved the game if not for some friends that were willing to explain things to me.
I think Monster Hunter requires you to have someone to show you the ropes. Some of this is just because the game does things differently, someone of it is because the game does things badly. I think the good outweighs the bad, even though I'm sure I would have probably shelved the game if not for some friends that were willing to explain things to me.
Can't wait to listen to Dan's MonHun rant, lol
https://twitter.com/unastrike/status/575489692424011776
https://twitter.com/unastrike/status/575489692424011776
god damnit, Dan....
Dunno if I'm an outlier, but I got into Monster Hunter through Freedom Unite on the PSP. Didn't read any FAQs, didn't play with or interact with the MonHun community, and still put in a solid 50 hours. The beginner tutorials and gameplay explanations during the game were enough for me.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
"It's the Giant Bombcast with Dan 'Communist McDonald's' Ryckert!"
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Despite liking MonHun I cannot disagree with anything Dan said.
I speel my dreenk
Member
Yeah, that was a little bizarre. I honestly expected the question to be "Have you guys ever heard of the Best Friends?" or something like that.
sketchsanchez
Member
ShockingAlberto
Member
Dan's suggestion for what Monster Hunter should be totally exists! It's Dragon's Dogma!
That game is rad, too!
LyleLanley
Banned
So I take it that Jeff is excited for that Ralphie May special on Netflix.
This is fucking glorious, oh my god. I've heard all of these already, but just seeing them all collected in one spot... wow.
Crazy people send dumb emails all the time.
*Plays sonic generations a very good video game. *
Snapshot King
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Ninja Scooter
Member
They should totally send Dan to North Korea
super-famicom
Member
They should just send him to cover this year's TGS. Give him the GoPro and we can see him stumble through Japan.
2:21:55.
It was just Brad reading an email. You're not that special.
Giant Bomb Canada, let's make it happen.
Snapshot King
Member
Oh I know I'm not special, but I mean, I gotta know right? I wish I didn't find out tho, I wish I had heard it naturally at the end of next week when I'd be finishing up the podcast.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I'm totally with Dan about getting pissed as a kid at the assholes who used to ride their bikes with no hands. Fuckin show offs.
Smiles and Cries
Member
he does not think a game should need the help of someone I guess
but calling it a bad game because he did not want to follow what all those people told him he deserved his frustration
Ninja Scooter
Member
I could understand his frustration. I would have a hard time enjoying a game where I need a tutor for the first few hours just to enjoy it. Different strokes I guess.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Dan being Dan. It's so frustrating to listen to. Where was Jason to at least address some of his junk?
ShockingAlberto
Member
And also thinks it's funnier to have never watched Citizen Kane than to actually have watched it.
bloodyroarxx
Member
Mark and John from 8-4 said the same thing you should have a vet to help you through the beginning but it is bullshit that you need that.
I have tried to get into MonHun 4 times now 1, Freedom2, Unite, and 3 I just cant do it. I want to play it but my issues with it are too numerous to bother anymore unless there was a super high budget PS4/Xbone version and even then eeeeeeeeehhhhh. As a Dad I dont have enough time to dedicate I dont think.
I think, depending on how much patience you have, that "someone" can just be video tutorials or quick start guides. Stuff like the Giant Bomb "Teach me to Play Monster Hunter" feature. Once you know the silly stuff like needing a map, reading the combo list, eating before a hunt and you've begun to hunt, you can kind of take it from there. Some stuff is just silly complicated, like armor skills, but those you can also learn later on from a guide when you get to a higher rank to need them. I've found the random community is good enough that you can get the fun of a 4 player hunt just with random hunters as well.
Now I might be biased because that's how I learned, but it's certainly doable. I also learned on 3U, a much more beginner unfriendly game.
I agree. The problem is, it's just such a damn hard game to teach just through tutorials. What makes it so hard to explain is also what gives it its unbelievable depth. I don't fault people for hating it because it's so beginner unfriendly, but I also am not sure how you'd fix it without fundamentally making it a different game. There's a reason I put over 100 hours into 3U and have already put over 100 into 4U. I still feel like I've only scratched the surface of the game as well. No other game series brings that for me.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I got to play MonHun on WiiU and just following the gaf thread was enough to understand what I needed to do gamefaqs and wikis and ebooks did the rest for all the little need to know things
it is just this type of game where you just have to put some work into learning the rules
I played 8-bit games before the internet that needed more work than this to understand
I refuse to play this on a small screen because of my vision issues but that is the only reason I am not playing MH4 which seems to be much easier to get into for beginners
also I feel Dan went in expecting to hit walls of frustration because people told him it was hard to get into so I feel he just fell back on the easy way out of just shitting on the game instead of playing it and seeing this as a puzzle to solve it is about how you play
how you survive how you hunt figure it out for yourself is much more rewarding to me
when you start kicking ass you feel like you really did something as a hunter you had to explore research and understand your world and your prey that is just one way of looking at it, I was frustrated at first too but when you make it through it feels damn good
I am not saying Capcom needed to make it this frustrating for some gamers so I don't blame people that cannot get into it
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No, that's the thing, you can't blame people for thinking the game is shitty for being obtuse when it is shitty that it is so obtuse.
The obtuseness of MonHun is not a good thing. Once you get past it, it is really fun, but don't expect everyone to put up with that.
The obtuseness of MonHun is not a good thing. Once you get past it, it is really fun, but don't expect everyone to put up with that.
I totally agree. It's easy to get angry at Dan, because he's so extreme about it. He almost revels in hating the game, which is sad. I can't blame him for not liking it though.
It's interesting to think about how to get around the obtuseness of the game when it's built into its very nature. How do you even make that "perfect" Monster Hunter game without fundamentally changing what it is and why I, and others, adore it. I have the same thoughts about MOBAs. I honestly am not sure there's really an answer to that issue. In the end, some people will really click with the game and some won't.
EDIT:
Hearing Dan's pure excitement for VR. Man it's going to be so sad if/when the concept gets killed by too many competing standard and lack of acceptance by the larger market.
You don't need it. People say the same about the Souls games, that you need a walkthrough to play it and it's bullshit. The game isn't complicated or even that dense in terms of mechanics, it's just a game designed around playing with people. It's not a game where you can read a FAQ to get over a hump, you need to play and get better. Playing with others just speeds up the intro where you're falling down and act as training wheels.
The one thing is that there are a ton of items to keep track of so a human index you can talk to is more convenient.
I went into 3U completely blind and I had zero issues adjusting to the game, systems, and mechanics. Hell, I even put in almost 120 hours before I did my first multiplayer hunt.
None of my friends played any of the games in the series until 4. I've basically become the enabler in my group of friends, turning them all on to the game. We've since played like 40 hours of co-op since we all bought 4U.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Like, the pause thing and combat excluded, I really can't disagree with anything he said. Disagree with him of the combat but I can see why people would be really put off by it. I myself get really frustrated by it at times, like when I had to restart a mission when
and also the first time you encountered
was fucking terrible.
I brought dual daggers to a basario fight
gore magala on a tiny ass ship
I agree with Dan's sentiment, but his tone is so damn combative. It's my main problem with the way he talks about things. It's either "the worst" or "the greatest thing ever'. There is no room for difference of opinion, there's no room for shades of grey. It's so antagonistic.
MickeyKnox
Member
It sounds like Drew might have caught the Monster Hunter bug
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I really don't get why they couldn't have Jason on if they knew that was going to happen.
I hate how he says "well, I'm not trolling because you should just append 'in my opinion' to everything I say". Except all he says is "X is terrible" or "X is the worst thing ever" pretty much all the time. It makes me wonder why I would even pay attention to any of his reviews at this point.
I don't really get what was terrible about that part. It was literally a 3-minute battle introduction to its mechanics and ship combat.
Yep. It's totally OK to not like the game. It's fine. The problem is saying it like "this is clearly a bad game and no one should like it". That tone is so damn shitty.