Each EAD 'group' doesn't really exist in the same way that other teams or groups do in other development houses. People flow between projects depending on needs. So just because 'group 2' is working on Splatoon, doesn't mean they can't also be working on Animal Crossing.
Nintendo EAD's last stand on the Wii U.
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Each EAD 'group' doesn't really exist in the same way that other teams or groups do in other development houses. People flow between projects depending on needs. So just because 'group 2' is working on Splatoon, doesn't mean they can't also be working on Animal Crossing.
I'm convinced that once the storm has passed, the Wii U will be looked upon fondly.
Nintendo's systems are a great buy once their time in the sun has passed. Once you look at that great library of games after they're all out, it's hard to say no. The problem is scarcity with certain niche titles on the older systems. But damn, do I love me some Nintendo back catalog.
Can't wait til the day I have the time to hook the gamecube back up and play Skies of Arcadia and Melee again.
Nintendo's systems are a great buy once their time in the sun has passed. Once you look at that great library of games after they're all out, it's hard to say no. The problem is scarcity with certain niche titles on the older systems. But damn, do I love me some Nintendo back catalog.
Can't wait til the day I have the time to hook the gamecube back up and play Skies of Arcadia and Melee again.
In what world was The Wind Waker a "piece of shit"?
But this recognition can be very important for nintendo´s next console
Even with the low sales, at least the 10mil owners are probably happy owners right now. And will bring a positive view of nintendo to the next gen, that can (maybe) change the fortune of their new console
That´s why they just dont drop the ball when it comes to the wiiu. They need this small number of costumers to be happy now so they spread the word next time.
And that would be nintendo biggest mistake, among all the other huge mistakes they´re famous for
efyu_lemonardo
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But what happens if their next system performs just as poorly?
evilromero
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I think it's a codified response to assume Zelda will be delayed when in fact there's little historical evidence to suggest this is a regular thing considering the number of releases on both handheld and consoles.
And it would be a huge hit to not just the Wii U but the software line-up if Zelda comes out in 2016. That's into year four of the Wii U release, which no Zelda has ever been accustomed to (ALttP one year after launch, OoT two years after launch, TWW two years, TWW at launch).
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CentralScrutinizer
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Nintendo will go handheld only and have to fail there for a couple generations before they close down or go third party.
Iwata said they'd like to release in 2010 during the planning phase in 2009. When the game was officially shown for the first time at E3 2010 it was officially announced for 2011. Nintendo corporate never gave it a 2010 date though and all their official docs (IR, etc) reflected that afaik.
efyu_lemonardo
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That's not true. It will have profound effects on the company.
Nintendo just has to pray that the handheld market doesn't crash.
Neff
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Eh, it's a strong lineup to be sure, but unless they pull something staggering out of the hat that I didn't know about (and they probably will), I'd say 2014 and 2013 were better for Wii U.
This has been addressed many times, but there is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to do this yet. Their current model and market is (just about) profitable, and both 3DS and Wii U user bases are still growing, albeit slowly. They will have successors for both platforms in the works, but releasing them early simply because they 'might do better' is not good business sense. They'll take 3DS and Wii U to their logical conclusion, making as much money as possible from them, and tell us what's coming next around the tail end of that period, and not a minute sooner.
This has been addressed many times, but there is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to do this yet. Their current model and market is (just about) profitable, and both 3DS and Wii U user bases are still growing, albeit slowly. They will have successors for both platforms in the works, but releasing them early simply because they 'might do better' is not good business sense. They'll take 3DS and Wii U to their logical conclusion, making as much money as possible from them, and tell us what's coming next around the tail end of that period, and not a minute sooner.
I think so too. Systems that are in between obscure and well supported usually end up with good reputation. Saturn and Dreamcast and Vita are good examples too.
efyu_lemonardo
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There has to be a creative solution that enables growth for the company once again
Honestly I couldn't imagine a new console somehow doing worse than the Wii U. I do think the playing field will be a bit easier next gen for them because I honestly don't see both Sony and Microsoft staying in the race, one of them is going to bow out, and my money is on Xbox. The console race going back to two primary consoles will undoubtably help Nintendo regain some of the ground they've lost right off the bat, and with a console that isn't as unsellable as the Wii U, they should at least be able to claim numbers somewhere between Gamecube and N64.
Now obviously this all just speculation, but I see no reason to doubt it at this point.
MarkMclovin
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It has the best games on any console at the moment by a fucking mile but I don't think any game could turn it around, even if they announced a new Metroid Prime, F-Zero or Galaxy 3.
It had an incredibly bad start of which I don't think it could recover from.
It had an incredibly bad start of which I don't think it could recover from.
TheMoon
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In Spieler Eins world. Aka not worth acknowledging-world.
Not enough brown for him I guess
Leatherface
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I've gotta hand it to Nintendo, even though this is one of their most unpopular console systems of all time, they continue to release inspired and amazing games. It really is a testament to the kind of company they are. Even at their lowest point they shine bright. I will always be a fan and I can't wait to see what's in store for the rest of the year and beyond. <3
This doesn't make sense though. Most of their developers are working on Wii U titles or are just coming off Wii U projects. 3DS has been in decline and will need a successor before Wii U does and a target of holiday 2016 seems reasonable. This means that EAD need to be working on titles for the successor to 3DS. Luckily Nintendo have said that their next platform would adequately absorb the Wii U architecture so game development times for this next generation portable should be shorter. Still, there's no development bandwidth left for a new home console, which will need a lot of early first party support. Nintendo simply does not have the capacity to launch a new home console before Holiday 2016.
Iwata has said the fundamental problem of Wii U is the business model itself; $300 consoles and $60 software. I think it's true for the consumers Nintendo wants to attract. What they are doing now instead is plan B (fan service) while they prepare a next gen strategy.
Zelda could be relatively big but ultimately the mainstream gamer doesn't care about the franchise, so I don't expect it to be a massive hit or anything. But it should help in converting potential to actual sale, especially Nintendo fans who only have a 3DS currently.
Zelda could be relatively big but ultimately the mainstream gamer doesn't care about the franchise, so I don't expect it to be a massive hit or anything. But it should help in converting potential to actual sale, especially Nintendo fans who only have a 3DS currently.
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There's just as much reason to believe another player, as big as Sony or Microsoft, will enter the market.
I think Nintendo's best hope is to form some kind of alliance with such a player.
In Spieler Eins world. Aka not worth acknowledging-world.
Oh hey, I was just going to put up my TheMoon signal. Care to explain how Zelda will surely arrive this year as I know you're eager to?
I expect nothing but bad news sales-wise because that's what the Wii U has consistently delivered in that department. You are what you consistently do and the degree of quality doesn't really matter. They could be the best games ever released, but the media won't care because they're not being coddled. Gamers aren't going to care because they're too old, too stubbornly obsessed with tech and "mature" games to care about cartoony games. Kids won't care because a new generation of them is being weaned on a new type of game Nintendo doesn't even know how to make (Minecraft). Casual won't care because they're playing games on their phones for free and they're not going to pay $50 dollars for a premium experience.
The Wii U, as good as it is, doesn't have a significant place in the market. It's a system for the Nintendo fan at this point. I've stopped caring about sales. I've stopped caring about every strip of bad news the Wii U generates. Nintendo's bottom line doesn't affect me personally, so why should I care? The same goes for MS and Sony. I just want to play great videogames.
I'll be there day one for all of EAD's big releases. I trust them but I know I'm in a small camp.
The Wii U, as good as it is, doesn't have a significant place in the market. It's a system for the Nintendo fan at this point. I've stopped caring about sales. I've stopped caring about every strip of bad news the Wii U generates. Nintendo's bottom line doesn't affect me personally, so why should I care? The same goes for MS and Sony. I just want to play great videogames.
I'll be there day one for all of EAD's big releases. I trust them but I know I'm in a small camp.
Please don't give him fuel.
I think even Nintendo knows by now that WiiU it's a lost battle and it's focusing on just trying to maximize profits.
This too. A new console with all this games available from the start would be very attractive.
I think there will be a price drop in the fall for the Wii U
For me the year ahead looks very good for me personally:
Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox
Xenoblade
I don't think Nintendo is able to do anything in terms of raising the amount of consoles being sold. The main thing they need to focus on is getting a lot of people who own the Wii U to buy the games they are publishing. Support the Wii U until 2016/2017 and than release their Hybrid Console. The main thing I feel is going to be that they continue having backwards compatibility and allow games developed for their handheld to be rendered for their Console. Thus consolidating their efforts as opposed to having to develop games and generate support for two different devices.
I think they need to focus on support games like they have done for Mario Kart 8, one DLC every 6 months for games like Splatoon, Start Fox, Zelda U, SSB would ensure additional revenue. Making DLC like the one for Mario Kart 8 on Splatoon for example would be fantasic - adding modes for the game or new stages/weapons/characters/customization.
For me the year ahead looks very good for me personally:
Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox
Xenoblade
I don't think Nintendo is able to do anything in terms of raising the amount of consoles being sold. The main thing they need to focus on is getting a lot of people who own the Wii U to buy the games they are publishing. Support the Wii U until 2016/2017 and than release their Hybrid Console. The main thing I feel is going to be that they continue having backwards compatibility and allow games developed for their handheld to be rendered for their Console. Thus consolidating their efforts as opposed to having to develop games and generate support for two different devices.
I think they need to focus on support games like they have done for Mario Kart 8, one DLC every 6 months for games like Splatoon, Start Fox, Zelda U, SSB would ensure additional revenue. Making DLC like the one for Mario Kart 8 on Splatoon for example would be fantasic - adding modes for the game or new stages/weapons/characters/customization.
Haven't they mentioned that their QoL product is going to be some sort of hybrid between mobile and home consoles?
Because some people get angry and/or sad knowing that the rest of the world doesn't like their favorite game. So it would be better for these people to stop wasting their anger on such a worthless subject, and focus on what makes them happy: games. Nintendo isn't dying anyway, they'll keep making games so why would you care if they aren't selling as much as Sony?
Of course not everyone acts like that, some people are interested in the market in general and don't get worked up about "winners" and "losers". Those people don't need my advice.
I think the comparisons to Dreamcast are appropriate. The Dreamcast era was also a creative zenith for SEGA, though in that case it was the competition from Sony and the internal politics at SEGA that ultimately killed the system.
But the Wii U won't face the same fate. Nintendo has a much more cohesive direction for the company and more importantly, Nintendo had a boom with the Wii and DS just before the Wii U launched, and they stowed away the cash they saved back then and still have large reserves of it. They can weather a storm, while SEGA back then had just come off the financial failure of the Saturn into the financial failure of the Dreamcast. I think that's the key difference between Nintendo today and SEGA in 2001.
I also think people will look back at the Wii U similarly to the way they look back at the Dreamcast: a "doomed" system with fantastic games.
But the Wii U won't face the same fate. Nintendo has a much more cohesive direction for the company and more importantly, Nintendo had a boom with the Wii and DS just before the Wii U launched, and they stowed away the cash they saved back then and still have large reserves of it. They can weather a storm, while SEGA back then had just come off the financial failure of the Saturn into the financial failure of the Dreamcast. I think that's the key difference between Nintendo today and SEGA in 2001.
I also think people will look back at the Wii U similarly to the way they look back at the Dreamcast: a "doomed" system with fantastic games.
pinkurocket
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I as a gamer can't be more excited they are serving up great products aimed at the true Nintendo fan, which is the biggest install base of Wii U. All said and done they are showing great potential with their first HD console. I can only hope they are setting themselves up for a great follow-up console that they know how to market properly. Keeping the current install base of Wii U happy and creating a positive image for the console is the best thing they can do.
interactivemonodrama
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Learn some good manners before you post pls, thx.
I think you're confusing a few cherry picked quotes.
1. QoL has nothing to do with video games.
2. They've never said that there would be a hybrid device. People have inferred that from things Iwata has said about their future hardware.
Hmm well maybe. It's just my guess and I was only considering console releases; I hope I'm wrong. I really don't think Nintendo is worried about trying to save the platform at this point by trying to push things out as quick as possible. If the games is ready then it's ready, if not they won't push for it to come out this year. True we have no indication of this. Just my guess.
Exactly. Goodwill is exactly what made PS4 the success it is today (not the only reason mind you, but definitely one of the most
Important ones). Pleasing your current base will do wonders in the future.
Though I don't think wii u sold 10 mil.
Calamari41
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Yup. Whether its backwards compatible or not, these games need to be sitting on the next system's eShop on launch day.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Knowing Nintendo they wouldn't let their investment go in vein as they did with the GameCube to Wii
Fox Mulder
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they have money, and supporting a shit selling console as long as they have should instill confidence in consumers going forward. It would be pretty hard to sell anyone on the next console if they had cut the wiiu short.
for sure. when the time comes where software is the only thing matters and these day-to-day nitpicks about the console are irrelevant the Wii U will be looked at as one of Nintendo's best. the quality and quantity of the software is just amazing. I think I've got like 30 games for the console right now and I'd say the vast majority of them are fantastic with a handful already being personal classics for me personally. Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2 (and 1), Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Shovel Knight, Stealth Inc. 2, NSLU, and WWHD are all timers for me. I'm probably forgetting some too. then there are a slew of games that I think are really amazing just not in that tier. stuff like 3D World, Smash, NSMBU, Captain Toad, etc. honestly you'd have to go back a long time to see this kind of output from Nintendo, when considering their first party games from 2012 and on.
I find that during a gen there are a lot more factors that play into a console's reputation other than games but when looking back at a console it's only as good as the games it has and that's when the Wii U will truly shine, imo. people snoozin' because of accounts and online and gimmicks and yada yada yada. they'll drink the kool aid soon enough.
We already got a Dreamcast 2 tho
How was the XB a DC2? :-/
Purple Mug
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Eh, I dont think "how much they can turn around" matters right now. They will ride the Wii U until the next console releases and doing so means they have to justify the cost of their internal studios throughout this period by continuosuly working on stuff for both Wii U and 3DS.
Those who bought/will buy a Wii U for Nintendos quality published and developed retail content have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding how little it sells.
EAD is probably more focused on making the best games they can because if Majora 3D and Wind Waker HD are any indication, great Nintendo games can be re-released and still make a lot of money.
Eww
Those who bought/will buy a Wii U for Nintendos quality published and developed retail content have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding how little it sells.
EAD is probably more focused on making the best games they can because if Majora 3D and Wind Waker HD are any indication, great Nintendo games can be re-released and still make a lot of money.
We already got a Dreamcast 2 tho
Eww
OnionPowder
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That's a big jump to go for Animal Crossing being released in 2015 in Japan
Purple Mug
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HAHAHAHAHahaha
Thanks. Makes a lot of sense.