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[_Ryo_]

So since Nintendo now own stock in DeNA, and DeNA will be creating mobile games and Nintnedo will be licensing tbeir IP to other mobile and PC developers it feels that they are in a roundabout way goi g multiplat while still creating software for their own dedicated Hardware.

I see this as very similar to what sega did in the 80s/90s, when they allowed developers to use tbei IP and port their games to different hardware not owned by Sega.

 

[jroc74]

Why is there surprise? Despite what fans want to believe, it never made sense for Nintendo to ignore such a potentially lucrative market. Especially with their home console business in pieces, and with the dedicated handheld contracting.

This isn't the end of the world, but it's stupid to even suggest that they shouldn't at least test the waters to see what they can come up with. It's Nintendo after all. Of all the developers/publishers out there, I trust them in actually making great experiences even with limited controls.

Will be interesting to see where this ends up.

Exactly, nothing wrong with testing the waters ...especially when they are still in a position to not have to do it vs no other choice.

No one who is following this news closely is suggesting they are abandoning their core games or worried that there will be no console Zelda in the future. That does not make this news any less substantial and of great importance. It shows Nintendo is finally diversifying their approach to their business. Previously they have been very resistant to approaching the software business on platforms which they do not own and control. This is a huge step for them to take, and I think it reflects their growing concern that they may no longer be making as much from the dedicated gaming space as they would like.

Exactly.

When your console sales go from 100 million to less than 1/10 for the follow up console....2 years later and the previous one is discontinued... They would be crazy not to look at other avenues. Some folks need to remember something...I was gonna mention this recently but didnt: yea the consoles are nice...but its the games we like, love the most...not where its played.

I followed FF and Metal Gear to Sony consoles....I could care less what the console it was played on....as long as I could play it. If those series had stayed Nintendo exclusives....I would be a bigger Nintendo fan. Still shocked Sony couldnt secure Metal Gear Solid exclusivity....that would have sold a ton of PS4's...

Just like if I wanna play Mario or Zelda....have to get a Nintendo console....

You think Sonic fans just pull out Sega consoles to play Sonic on..say screw Nintendo..or do they get the game on whatever console its released on.....

 

[RedFyn]

Some Nintendoland style games could work very well and not detract from their traditional games.

 

[TheSlySoul]

People can bash this all they want, but NX might be the only way Nintendo stays alive in the market.
I am looking forward to it.

Edit:
NX will focus on $10 to $20 games
3DS will focus on $30 to $40 games
Wii U will focus on $50 to $60 games

It is brilliant.

 

[duckroll]

That doesn't rule out an Android OS or anything like that though. That was my point. That it's a dedicated device tells us very little other than what you stated in your first sentence.

Sure, but that doesn't mean much either. The Dreamcast had a Windows CE based OS.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Now we can finally get a new FZero game.

Can't say I'm surprised that it finally happened, I am surprised at Nintendo jumping in with both feet, figured they'd be much more cautious.

This and Amiibo are going to make crazy bank for them in the coming years.

 

[Floex]

If Nintendo gives us virtual console games on mobile I'll be pretty happy.

Yeah I can't wait to play games designed around a gamepad for them to be played on touchscreens. Think tha's going to work well.

 

[jroc74]

So since Nintendo now own stock in DeNA, and DeNA will be creating mobile games and Nintnedo will be licensing tbeir IP to other mobile and PC developers it feels that they are in a roundabout way goi g multiplat while still creating software for their own dedicated Hardware.

I see this as very similar to what sega did in the 80s/90s, when they allowed developers to use tbei IP and port their games to different hardware not owned by Sega.

I was thinking the same thing. Do we see their IP on Sony or Xbox home consoles? I mean mobile phones....Sony and MS have mobile hardware.

Will be interesting to see where the games wind up....will they be mobile platform exclusive or not.

 

[weekev]

This is all I wanted to hear from Iwata.

"While this is not something directly relating to the collaboration that we have announced today, here is one thing I would like to mention to avoid any misunderstandings.
Nintendo has decided to deploy its video game business on smart devices but it is not because we have lost passion or vision for the business of dedicated video game systems. On the contrary, now that we have decided how we will make use of smart devices, we have come to hold an even stronger passion and vision for the dedicated video game system business than ever before. Nintendo has made this decision because we have concluded that the approach of making use of smart devices is a rational way for us to encourage even more people around the world to recognize the great value of the wonderful game software available on our dedicated game systems.
As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business, let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename “NX.” It is too early to elaborate on the details of this project, but we hope to share more information with you next year"

 

[toddhunter]

You think Sonic fans just pull out Sega consoles to play Sonic on..say screw Nintendo..or do they get the game on whatever console its released on.....

Do Dungeon Keeper fans say screw EA or do they just play the F2P mobile abomination?

They say screw EA.

Certain games are only suited to certain platforms. You can't really follow those games to another console when there is no other console with those games.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Whatever. I'm glad its being done by some other company so that whatever trash shows up hopefully doesn't affect console output.

Hopefully it makes them a few bucks. Games like Pokemon have made them tons of money in the past as well and I don't give a damn about that either.

I do think its interesting that they mention PC.

Nintendo going in on old games through steam would be huge.

Honestly I think they should release another handheld and put their big game development to pc.

 

[SmokyDave]

Sure, but that doesn't mean much either. The Dreamcast had a Windows CE based OS.

I know but I was responding to this:

It being an Android device would be ridiculous. It'd shift it to Nintendo giving Google 30% royalties and not getting any from other publishers releasing on it. It's never, ever, ever going to happen.

And it won't be a mobile/handheld hybrid because they said it's a traditional dedicated gaming device.

I know Joe isn't directly linking Android with Mobile / Hybrid. I just think he's reading too much into 'traditional, dedicated'. Those descriptors alone don't tell us as much as it might seem.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

I'm scared to read the first pages of this thread.

It's all good, they know the importance of preserving the value of their IPs. You should read the official transcript or watch the conference before commenting, because they covered every potential concern.

 

[_Ryo_]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

 

[jroc74]

Do Dungeon Keeper fans say screw EA or do they just play the F2P mobile abomination?

They say screw EA.

Certain games are only suited to certain platforms. You can't really follow those games to another console when there is no other console with those games.

If the time comes when Nintendo is only on mobile devices.....then I could understand that feeling. They arent....yet.

 

[R_thanatos]

I'm unsure what to think.
It's a new console in the coming years but the focus of the deal makes me... akward

 

[Robin64]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

They outright said they won't compromise controls and that would do exactly that, save for a select few titles.

Also, how much would you pay for Pokémon Ruby on your phone?

 

[nephilimdj]

Iwata said it had nothing to do with smart devices.

"Bridge the gap" sounds like it does

As I said in other thread, nintendo already made the 2ds with 1 screen, NX could just be New 2DS with Android

edit: duckroll pointed out was different point, this stop people quoting me for next 20 pages.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

Nintendo isn't porting games to mobile. Brand new games will be made with the platform in mind.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

So people can buy them and play them for 30 seconds and forget about them.

Nintendo is smart enough not to shove games designed for controller onto touch screen.

 

[duckroll]

I know but I was responding to this:



I know Joe isn't directly linking Android with Mobile / Hybrid. I just think he's reading too much into 'traditional, dedicated'. Those descriptors alone don't tell us as much as it might seem.

You have to forgive him. He went from this:

Seriously, people are thinking this is Nintendo going mobile after Iwata categorically said, again, last month that it's not happening?

Good grief.

They said they're going to do an app featuring Miis. They said eShop/Miiverse apps. That's the most we'll get on smartphones.

A lot, sure, but a fundamental change in strategy which would destroy Nintendo's one successful avenue? Please.



Hard to tell over the net

No idea. Not the intent. My apologies.

It's just frustrating that people seriously want this to be the avenue Nintendo go down, when it'd kill them.

to this:

I think I'm going to throw up

Within an hour!

 

[watershed]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

Iwata said no ports.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Their WiiU games are better looking than their 3DS games. Doesn't seem to matter much to consumers, especially in Japan. In the end it will come down to content and pricing, not so much graphics.

Except smartphones are a handheld device that you're more likely to have on you than your 3DS. If those games are looking better than what's on 3DS I really wonder, at least in the west, how much that would hurt their 3DS sales? I think it will have an effect.

 

[duckroll]

"Bridge the gap" sounds like it does

As I said in other thread, nintendo already made the 2ds with 1 screen, NX could just be New 2DS with Android

If you look at the slides and the quotes, the "bridge the gap" talking point is separate from the new hardware talking point. It comes right after, and it is a lead-in to the unified account system Nintendo and DeNA are building. That is what they want to use to "bridge the gap", not the new system. It's easy to be confused at a glance, but reading the actual presentation makes it pretty clear.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

Please, watch/read the conference before jumping to conclusions. It's a bad idea and they've already addressed it.

Please also note that, even if we use the same IP on our dedicated video game systems and smart devices, we will not port the titles for the former to the latter just as they are. There are significant differences in the controls, strengths and weaknesses between the controllers for dedicated game systems and the touchscreens of smart devices. We have no intention at all to port existing game titles for dedicated game platforms to smart devices because if we cannot provide our consumers with the best possible play experiences, it would just ruin the value of Nintendo’s IP.

 

[gofreak]

I 100% expect to see the Nintendo virtual console coming to mobile. Its an emulator and Nintendo can make tons of bank selling old Gameboy and Snes games adapted for tablets/smartphones. Pokemon ruby legally on mobile sold by Nintendo? $$$$$$£

I can see it happening if the initial smart device games are popular.

If Nintendo builds up 'hundreds of millions' in a membership base on mobile, they surely won't ignore the potential to monetize virtual console with them. I could see them even releasing a VC controller peripheral for tablet/phone/pc.

They have said they won't port console/handheld games straight to the other platforms, but I think that these are legacy games that are already not on their 'home' platform would allow them to make an exception.

 

[2+2=5]

I'm not into mobile but isn't DeNa an Asia only thing? If we couple that with the usual Nintendo region lock policy are we sure that we'll see this coming westward?

 

[RedFyn]

I'm not into mobile but isn't DeNa an Asia only thing? If we couple that with the usual Nintendo region lock policy are we sure that we'll see this coming westward?

No, its not

Mobage is/uses DeNA.

 

[Hanmik]

You have to forgive him. He went from this:







to this:



Within an hour!

lol.. sorry.. but.. lol

 

[Coolwhip]

A service called Nintendo that you can download on Android and iOS that is virtual Nintendo game store. In that store you can buy all their mobile games aswell as their console games. Would that be allowed as an app?

 

[DragonSworne]

Nintendo isn't porting games to mobile. Brand new games will be made with the platform in mind.

Just like how Nintendo wasn't going to make mobile games...

 

[7DollarHagane]

People need to understand that this is for unique game development and there is no reason to expect the same Nintendo game to appear on iPhone and 3ds.

As long as its unique development for each, who cares. Maybe there will actually be some phone games I like for once in.. Ever.

And the in house Nintendo teams will probably evaluate the quality of the mobile stuff but also be largely hands off.

 

[duckroll]

I'm not into mobile but isn't DeNa an Asia only thing? If we couple that with the usual Nintendo region lock policy are we sure that we'll see this coming westward?

Did you even bother to read the OP before contributing this worthless comment? Let's try it again:

"Iwata：

Nintendo and DeNA will jointly develop and operate gaming applications for smart devices in global markets.

With this alliance, new entertainment that utilizes Nintendo’s IP will be provided globally via smart devices."

How many more times does Iwata need to use the world global here?

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

"Bridge the gap" sounds like it does

As I said in other thread, nintendo already made the 2ds with 1 screen, NX could just be New 2DS with Android

Iwata said during the Q & A that the NX was completely unrelated to their smart device ventures. In fact, he specifically brought it up to let everyone know that the next hardware has nothing to do with the conference today. He made it a point to separate the NX announcement from the rest of the conference. The fact that people are trying to connect them is backwards. If anything the NX is going to be the opposite of a smart device.

 

[Basileus777]

I can see it happening if the initial smart device games are popular.

If Nintendo builds up 'hundreds of millions' in a membership base on mobile, they surely won't ignore the potential to monetize virtual console with them. I could see them even releasing a VC controller peripheral for tablet/phone/pc.

They have said they won't port console/handheld games straight to the other platforms, but I think that these are legacy games that are already not on their 'home' platform would allow them to make an exception.

Yeah, I wouldn't take their initial plans to be synonymous with never. They don't want their mobile initiative to be based off of ports, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of ports or cross development from happening in the future.

 

[Freeman]

To those that use to say this was not going to happen, there you go, it was inevitable.

 

[EatChildren]

finally the day of reckoning has come

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

This is... Crazy... Wow...

 

[pinkurocket]

I knew Nintendo talked about creating mobile apps, but I wasn't expecting them to go this far! This is like the first time Nintendo is doing 'third party' stuff. Pretty exciting. If you told me this ... Well ... An hour ago without proof, I would not have believed you!

Still the details are fuzzy, but I'm curious to see the games and apps they come up with. There is so much potential in some older DS games. Some of the 'extra' minigames from WarioWare Touched or Mario 64 DS would make great standalone apps. Bring back Orbit Ball!

And then that new dedicated hardware news ohhh today is just too much.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Just like how Nintendo wasn't going to make mobile games...

And they didn't make mobile games, until last year when they said they would develop apps that promoted their characters and IP.

And now we know the partnership that is making that promotional style app product happen.

 

[infiniteloop]

Apple and Google should all ready be on the phone looking for some exclusive deals.

Yeah. Get on the phone Tim cook and throw some money at them.

 

[Tobor]

Hallelujah! It's a great day! Nintendo is finally waking from its slumber and rejoining the world!

And a big fat "I told you so" to everyone who argued with me in countless threads. I was right!

 

[maquiladora]

Just like how Nintendo wasn't going to make mobile games...

Well, what I could see happening is "It's not a port, it's a whole new game, taking the foundation of what makes (Insert game) so great and combining that with a control scheme redesigned from the bottom up in addition to the inclusion of new modes to create a whole new experience..."

 

[MoogleWizard]

finally the day of reckoning has come

You monster. D:

 

[7DollarHagane]

Iwata said during the Q & A that the NX was completely unrelated to their smart device ventures. In fact, he specifically brought it up to let everyone know that the next hardware has nothing to do with the conference today. He made it a point to separate the NX announcement from the rest of the conference. The fact that people are trying to connect them is backwards. If anything the NX is going to be the opposite of a smart device.

This is something that should probably be added to the op in bold.

This thread will be hundreds of posts about playing virtual console on iPhone and the next Pokemon on android

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Just like how Nintendo wasn't going to make mobile games...

They never said that.

Jeez, read the OP or the actual conference before commenting.

 

[wildfire]

Honestly? Good.

Nintendo was almost literally leaving huge piles of money on the table with Pokemon Mobile. This needed to happen.

Than again, Pokemon Mobile still might not happen but it should if they want money.

With the amount of piracy on Android I have a feeling only IOS will get Pokemon if at all.

 

[cardinalmind]

Seeing how depressingly Japan's console market shrink in the Media Create threads has already conditioned me to Nintendo's move today. No need for alarm for now, seeing as Nintendo has kept their quality even in their F2P games.

If Sony still decides to go for it (most probably won't), they would go mobile too. But the Xperias are struggling so they have to offer the service to a wide range of handsets too or else they'll have another PS Mobile flop.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Hallelujah! It's a great day! Nintendo is finally waking from its slumber and rejoining the world!

And a big fat "I told you so" to everyone who argued with me in countless threads. I was right!

They announced this last year. This is just further details about what they said was happening last year.

Why the victory lap?

 

[thekiddfran]

About God damn time. Pokemon on a sony handheld platform?