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Doesn't mean that they can't change it for the worse. The loot system is categorically worse. I'd argue that the trick weapons are are an improvement over the wealth of useless weapons that would drop previously but that's it. In terms of armour sets and, more importantly, fashion souls, your choices are super limited. And they didn't have to be.

Even if heavy armour isn't a thing in the game, let the enemies drop their sets. Most of it is cloth anyway. Surely it wouldn't matter.

While I agree there could have been more variety, I think the fact that there is no equip load is a blessing and a curse.

It allows you to choose what you like to wear most without fear of changing how you play, but it also limits what they can allow you to wear.

The main point I was bringing up is that this isn't really a "Souls" game, in that the worlds are not connected and the game has it's own design philosophy.
 
Where the hell is the boss in the Forgotten Woods? I've
opened up the two elevator shortcuts but I have no idea where to go from there. Also, fuck those giant snake things.
 
I've done eight bosses so far:

- Cleric Beast
- Father Gascoigne
- Blood-starved Beast
- Vicar Amelia
- Witch of Hemwick
- Shadow of Yharnam
- Rom, the Vacuous Spider
- Martyr Logarius

And it's hard to say what my favorite is so far. I can say my least favorite is WoH, which is more tedious than challenging. Even then, it was still interesting.

From a character design standpoint (how the character looks), VA is pretty incredible. Same with Rom. I actually think Rom is one of the most iconic (read: memorable) bosses in the game, from the way you reach him, to where you fight him, to the distinct silhouette of him and his minions, to the way you fight him (
I dodged the spiders and just focused on him
), to his role in the story, and so on. Even his subtitle is memorable. He's also oddly adorable and will probably receive lots of cute fan art.

I think SoY is one of most exhilarating fights to actually play, and there are many ways you can approach that fight, depending on which targets you prioritize. And watching replays, BSB is a very well-done fight. I'm still surprised I managed to one-shot that one, since watching the replay, it's a really intense battle.
 
The difference is the weapons you can equip.

Skill based weapons hit a lot before fully depleting stamina, at the cost of very little staggering prowess.

Strength based weapons are slower but hit harder, and stagger with relative ease. They consume more stamina.

And some weapons, like Ludwig's Holy Sword, are both a Skill and Strength weapon. 1H form is a very fast Longsword that is similar to the Cane mode of the Threaded Cane and 2H form is a huge, slow Greatsword. When upgraded it has a B for scaling in both Strength and Skill and gains from both about equally. Best of both worlds and since it has good scaling in both it gets pretty huge stat gains. With 41 Strength and 50 skill and +18% Phys ATK gems mine is now at 200+542 bonus damage for a total of 742 heh.
 
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Next Gen Bloodborne!

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Makes you appreciate the decisions FROM made throughout the Demon / Dark / Blood series
 
Here's my list of advice I give to all new players (more geared towards Bloodborne):


*Explore, explore, explore. Whether it's finding a new way, new item or a new shortcut... the game rewards you for exploring. Even if it's dangerous to go out of your way, you will always learn something new about the game.

*Starting class does not matter much, just stay away from Waste of Skin (and even then that's not so bad). Starting weapon also does not matter much.

*Every weapon is viable so level up the weapon that you like the most. It's not hard to come by upgrade shards in this game so don't think you are over committing to a weapon.

*Each weapon has two modes.... L1 is used to transform a weapon. Normally a weapon will have a 2 handed mode and a 1 handed + gun mode. 2 handed mode will do more damage at the expense of taking away your option to use guns for the parry. Both weapon types are suited for particular scenarios so experiment with both. And you can transform mid combo... look for the combo strings. L2 in two handed mode does an alternate attack with the weapon.

*Stats in Endurance and Vitality are always good, just don't go past 40 on Endurance and 50 on Vitality. However these will just allow you to survive, you need some points in the other stats to get some damage boost. Look at your weapon and see what the damage scales off of. If it's strength then put more points into strength, if Skill then put points into Skill. Go by which rating is higher. You also don't want to put more than 50 in each category. Keep away from Bloodtinge and Arcane for now.

*The old Dark Souls mantra is true in this game as well... if you can take them one on one then you can take on any enemy in the game. However, as soon as there is more than one enemy you have to deal with things get pretty hairy so try to take on enemies one at a time.

*Dodge is your best friend. There are two types of dodges... a Roll when you press Circle without locking on and a dash when locked on. Generally the Dash is better for aggressive play and escaping stickier situations.

*Lock on is done with R3. Move the stick to change targets once locked on. Figure out when to use and not to use R3. When not in lock on you have to "aim" your weapon to hit the right spot using the camera.

*The guns aren't used for damage but for parrying. When an enemy is about to attack you, hit the gun to parry them. You will see them do a heavy stagger with a very particular sound cue. This is your opportunity to go up to them and press R1 for a Visceral attack for BIG damage. This is an essential combat skill in the game. Even some bosses can be parried.

*Another important skill to learn to use is the back stab. Against an enemy's back, hold down R2 for a charged attack. Charge all the way for a big attack and if it hits an enemy's back they will do a similar stagger as if you parried from the front. Go to their backs and press R1 for a Visceral attack for massive damage. Back stab is an effective way to kill enemies from stealth.. just make sure you walk very, very slowly towards them.

*It is definitely worth your while to read ALL ITEM DESCRIPTIONS! If you get something new, read it immediately.

*Read all notes on the ground especially in the main hub area. There are useful tips in all of them. Also look at the red specter notes as they show how people died before you. If there's a zone with a bunch of red notes on the ground... then that means be on your guard (except for red notes in the hub area... ignore those).

*Your lamp posts serve as your check point and they are very limited in the world. When you die enemies respawn and they respawn if you go back to your hub area (where you go to level up, upgrade, buy stuff and teleport to other areas).

*There is always, always going to be a short cut path to the boss fight from the main lamp post in an area. If you know you are about to encounter a boss fight but feel like the trek from the lamp post was too long then you should search for a short cut path to the boss fight from the lamp.

*It is very advisable to not spam potions in a boss fight in order to try to kill it in that fight. If you see that you are about to die and didn't even do 1/3rd damage to the boss then it's pointless to waste more potions on the boss fight as dying will not give you your lost potions back. Your maximum potions are 20 HOWEVER acquiring past 20 adds vials to your stockpile. So if say you got 10 vials past 20 (the holding limit) and you used 12 vials at the boss fight... when you respawn you will have 18 vials (you will get the 10 from your reserve). That's why it's a good idea to stock up on vials past 20 before going to boss fights. And try not to use more than 5 vials per boss fight as a rule, if you feel like you are using that many vials then the problem is that you aren't dodging enough or dodging well enough.

*Don't get greedy. Ever. #1 cause of death in this game is greed. You dodge an enemy's attack and then you attack. You will have them down to a pixel health. Instead of waiting for them to attack you think "oh they are at pixel health, I am just going to go in and attack which should kill him". Nope, this is a very quick way to die in this game especially against bosses. They will attack first, stagger you and if there's another enemy near by they will hit you too for big damage.

*When you get hit there's a small portion of your health that you can regain back if you can hit them back while the life is there. This is the regain system and it allows you to trade blows in certain instances. However this is also a trap in the game as in certain situations you do not want to go back in to regain that health as it might lead to your death. This is another greed situation that gets new players killed. Know when to go in for the regain and when to just go back and sip a potion.

*While dodging is very effective... proper spacing and movement is also very important. You want to be in a range just outside the enemies' attack range so that they whiff their attack and you can go in immediately. The way to do this is to keep going in and out of the opponent's attack range (going into their range to bait out their attack and then go out). Also circle/strafe them for added mobility. A moving target is harder to hit than a standing target.

*Study the enemy attack patterns no matter how simply they may appear. Many enemies have a standard 3 hit attack that they will do one hit of making you believe that they only have a single hit attack but when you try to counter attack they will perform the rest of the hits and take you off guard. Learn the full patterns of all the enemies/bosses in the game... many of them have hidden tricks up their sleeves.

*Co-op in this game is a very complicated and quite frankly obtuse matter. Read this guide for it as they will explain it better than I can. Remember that you first need to get 10 Insight to unlock a shot right at the window of the room in the house which allows you to buy the Small resonant Bell for 1 Insight. Insight is gained from beating bosses or from Madman items in the game.

*Leveling up your character isn't as important as leveling up your "skill" (as in your own ability as a player). You can beat the game without even leveling up your character which means this game rewards skill more than grinding for EXP.

*Anything that gives you some Blood Echoes (Coldblood dews etc) should be used only when you plan to spend Blood Echoes... otherwise you risk losing them on death. Yes you lose Blood Echoes on death but you can retrieve them. Usually they are at the spot where you die but sometimes an enemy absorbs them and you have to kill them (look for the purple glowing eyes of an enemy). If you die twice in a row without retrieving the initial Blood Echoes then that first set of Blood Echoes you lost on death will be lost forever. Meaning once you die with a bunch of Blood Echoes in hand... it's time to play very, very carefully to get your Echoes back. But don't fret over losing Echoes... they are not that hard to get back.

*Bold Hunter's Mark teleport to your checkpoint without losing Blood Echoes but a regular Hunter's Mark will teleport you but will make you lose your Blood Echoes. Use the Bold Hunter's Mark to cash in your Blood Echoes in case you find yourself running around with too much Echoes and you are being anxious to spend them.

*Talk to NPCs, they can give valuable items later on. Try to do what they tell you, sometimes it may be worth your while (not always though). Other times it may actually be more worth it to just kill them out right...

*There's a lot of optional content in the game and a lot of optional bosses (over half the content and bosses in the game are optional). The rule of thumb is that a boss which is required for the story usually is preceded or followed up with a cutscene so if you are lost on where to progress next then go to the last area where you experienced a boss + cutscene... usually the next path leads from there.

And buy the damn Emblem key in the shop for 10K Blood Echoes!

*Be patient, be prepared and be smart. Once you get the hang of things you can go through zones without dying and even kill bosses on your first try!

Damn, thanks dude! This deserves it's own sticky or link in the OP!
 
Where the hell is the boss in the Forgotten Woods? I've
opened up the two elevator shortcuts but I have no idea where to go from there. Also, fuck those giant snake things.

From the bottom of the second elevator -
run down to the water, then follow the water left past the first pig, keep running straight until you pass a second pig, then you can find a small path to the front-right. If you follow that path left you'll be there.
 
If it's the
thing with the burlap sack over its shoulder, let him kill you

Nope. Been there, done that.

They have no poise, but do recover quickly. You can slash them as much as you want until you only have enough stamina to dash back twice. You can also LOS the orbs behind literally anything.

Thanks. Worked like a charm.

If you unlocked one of the hidden areas in this game, these things are like in every corners. Be very afraid

Fuck my life. NO ONE TAKES MY PRECIOUS INSIGHT!
 
From the bottom of the second elevator -
run down to the water, then follow the water left past the first pig, keep running straight until you pass a second pig, then you can find a small path to the front-right.

Thanks!
 
Where the hell is the boss in the Forgotten Woods? I've
opened up the two elevator shortcuts but I have no idea where to go from there. Also, fuck those giant snake things.

It's confusing but if you follow the path with the snakes and shit you'll hit a shallow pool of water. Turn right and go through it then there will be a path that splits, one leads to the boss and the other a gate with an item behind it.
 
The Cursed Phtumerian Chalice with a half-health bar, seriously Miyazaki san ? '-'
I am now supposed to beat the giant hellish fire dawg without him touching me at all.
 
Where the hell is the boss in the Forgotten Woods? I've
opened up the two elevator shortcuts but I have no idea where to go from there. Also, fuck those giant snake things.

Have you found
the ditch with the little stream in it where one of those beast boar things is patrolling? If you go in there and kill the boar or avoid him, there's a turnoff that leads to a new path that leads to the boss.

Hopefully you know the spot I'm talking about. That place is huge and much of it looks alike to me. Was so glad when I finally stumbled out of there.

The Cursed Phtumerian Chalice with a half-health bar, seriously Miyazaki san ? '-'

Oi. Just pretend you're doing a phantom run from Demon's Souls?
 
The bold means that stats don't matter as much as PLAYING WELL. That was the point I was making.

The stats don't make as much of a difference as in other RPGs. Yeah they make a difference but the game is designed so you can beat the whole game without even leveling up your character. So the important aspect to "level up" is your own ability as a player.

Thanks again! What I am trying to figure out is how does leveling up affect your character? Has anyone carefully explained it? Do you hit much harder and move faster for longer and take much less damage at higher levels? Or are the changes really small on each level up?
 
The expression on your hunter's face is so sinister looking. Very creepy!
Thanks. I aimed for "haunting beauty with a bit of demon." Sharp features and red eyes. Ironically, her name is similar to yours: Ophelia.

BTW, regarding the Cainhurst knight set, is there a helmet? I found a chest in the castle with the other three parts, but I don't remember a helmet.

LOL for a second i thought she was holding a basket
Ha, I can see that now.
 
Thanks. I aimed for "haunting beauty with a bit of demon." Sharp features and red eyes. Ironically, her name is similar to yours: Ophelia.

BTW, regarding the Cainhurst knight set, is there a helmet? I found a chest in the castle with the other three parts, but I don't remember a helmet.


Ha, I can see that now.

There's a helmet, but I recall buying every piece from the Dream after beating the boss there.
 
The difference is the weapons you can equip.

Skill based weapons hit a lot before fully depleting stamina, at the cost of very little staggering prowess.

Strength based weapons are slower but hit harder, and stagger with relative ease. They consume more stamina.

Eh, saw cleaver has a damn fast attack, and the sword side of the Kirkhammer is as fast as anything.
 
Where the hell is the boss in the Forgotten Woods? I've
opened up the two elevator shortcuts but I have no idea where to go from there. Also, fuck those giant snake things.

This is a poor description, but from the bonfire, I take the shortcut elevator down, then hold right until I fall off an edge into an area with a snake headed man. There is rune and a locked gate in this area here that you hopefully have already unlocked. From the gate, just follow the path down to the boss.
 
Thanks. I aimed for "haunting beauty with a bit of demon." Sharp features and red eyes. Ironically, her name is similar to yours: Ophelia.

BTW, regarding the Cainhurst knight set, is there a helmet? I found a chest in the castle with the other three parts, but I don't remember a helmet.


Ha, I can see that now.

I found it. It's
on the roof
 
Damn, thanks dude! This deserves it's own sticky or link in the OP!

It's a good list, but I wouldn't worry about buying the key. You don't need it, and you're going to want to explore the stuff it lets you skip anyways, there's some awesome items there, and a locked door you'll want to remember for later.
 
Thanks again! What I am trying to figure out is how does leveling up affect your character? Has anyone carefully explained it? Do you hit much harder and move faster for longer and take much less damage at higher levels? Or are the changes really small on each level up?

You hit much, much harder with more ATK. You can attack many more times with more Stamina. And you can take a hell of a lot more damage with more HP and Defense. It all adds up and leveling makes a pretty huge difference.

You absolutely could beat the game at the lowest level possible, sure. But make no mistake, leveling up makes a difference to your character.
 
M
oon
P
resence down, got all 3 endings. Hopefully in the next playthrough I can get Eileen to show up. And beat Ebrietas without the elevator glitchin on me again.
 
Thanks again! What I am trying to figure out is how does leveling up affect your character? Has anyone carefully explained it? Do you hit much harder and move faster for longer and take much less damage at higher levels? Or are the changes really small on each level up?
The changes are small each level. You take less damage per stat gain as every stat gives you some Physical resistance with Vit/Endurance giving you even more tankiness (up to 50/40 respectively). Stats like Skill/Strength/Bloodstain/Arcane increase your damage output based on the scaling of your weapon. So if your weapon has a good Skill rating then you should be putting points into Skill to get more damage.

You don't get any speed boosts in this game from leveling up your character. Endurance increases your Stamina bar which allows you to do more actions but it doesn't make you run faster or roll faster or attack faster or anything like that.
 
Thanks again! What I am trying to figure out is how does leveling up affect your character? Has anyone carefully explained it? Do you hit much harder and move faster for longer and take much less damage at higher levels? Or are the changes really small on each level up?

You will only hit harder if you level the stat that the weapon you are using scales with. If your weapon doesn't scale with STR (look at the attribute bonuses for the weapon), you won't do any more damage from leveling strength. You can see how much each level will add to your ATK on level up. Each level by itself is not much - a few attack points. Upgrading your weapon should be the priority.

You can "move faster for longer" by getting more stamina, which caps at 40 endurance, but there is no equip weight stat or anything like that.

You only take less damage if you level vitality. Again, a few hit points doesn't make much of a difference, you don't feel it until you put a couple levels into it.
 
Hmm, I thought I found every bit of treasure in that place. Maybe I found it later and didn't realize it. What part of the roof?

Three Gargoyles will attack you there. I hope we're talking about the the same thing. It's called
Knight's Wig
 
Please, i beg you guys, can somebody help me with
Micolash
, i have spent the entire day trying to kill him, 6-7 hours!
 
You hit much, much harder with more ATK. You can attack many more times with more Stamina. And you can take a hell of a lot more damage with more HP and Defense. It all adds up and leveling makes a pretty huge difference.

You absolutely could beat the game at the lowest level possible, sure. But make no mistake, leveling up makes a difference to your character.

The changes are small each level. You take less damage per stat gain as every stat gives you some Physical resistance with Vit/Endurance giving you even more tankiness (up to 50/40 respectively). Stats like Skill/Strength/Bloodstain/Arcane increase your damage output based on the scaling of your weapon. So if your weapon has a good Skill rating then you should be putting points into Skill to get more damage.

You don't get any speed boosts in this game from leveling up your character. Endurance increases your Stamina bar which allows you to do more actions but it doesn't make you run faster or roll faster or attack faster or anything like that.

You will only hit harder if you level the stat that the weapon you are using scales with. If your weapon doesn't scale with STR (look at the attribute bonuses for the weapon), you won't do any more damage from leveling strength. You can see how much each level will add to your ATK on level up. Each level by itself is not much - a few attack points. Upgrading your weapon should be the priority.

You can "move faster for longer" by getting more stamina, which caps at 40 endurance, but there is no equip weight stat or anything like that.

You only take less damage if you level vitality. Again, a few hit points doesn't make much of a difference, you don't feel it until you put a couple levels into it.

Got it. Thanks!
 
Thanks. I aimed for "haunting beauty with a bit of demon." Sharp features and red eyes. Ironically, her name is similar to yours: Ophelia.

BTW, regarding the Cainhurst knight set, is there a helmet? I found a chest in the castle with the other three parts, but I don't remember a helmet.

The name Ophelia means "The Helper/Help/Helpful" which could have some very sinister connotations indeed, given the lore of the game...

There is a..."helmet" after a fashion. It's a fashion wig, complete with pony tail and a big black ribbon. Those Cainhurst people sure were fops.
 
Beat BSB yesterday, finally. After having 10 insight by going straight to the
Abandoned Workshop
after BSB I got to get the summoning bell and have really been having fun with that

I have to confess something. After dying over and over trying to grind for the H
oly
B
lade
, I cracked and duped a few coldbloods 0_0

I couldn't resist and was tired and impatient (the worst place you can be playing souls), and I kinda regret it now but what's done is done. I won't do it anymore ��
 
M
oon
P
resence down, got all 3 endings. Hopefully in the next playthrough I can get Eileen to show up. And beat Ebrietas without the elevator glitchin on me again.
So you've beat the game three times? And the Ebrietas elevator glitched on you during one of those playthroughs? Is there anything you'd recommend to avoid that glitch? I'm thinking I might copy a backup of a save right before the Upper Cathedral, just to be safe. I'm also playing offline -- maybe that will help, since another glitch (the one in the woods) seems to be triggered by co-op/PvP.
 
One more thing, what is Bloodtinge? That's the stat I leveled maybe two times and it only seems to increase bullets damage.
 
Maybe i'm getting anxious/jumping the gun because I know I'm nearing the end of the game, but the last few areas -
Nightmare Frontier, Mensis and the Unseen Village
, all seem to have gotten a lot more difficult than the areas preceding them.
 
Three Gargoyles will attack you there. I hope we're talking about the the same thing. It's called
Knight's Wig

The name Ophelia means "The Helper/Help/Helpful" which could have some very sinister connotations indeed, given the lore of the game...

There is a..."helmet" after a fashion. It's a fashion wig, complete with pony tail and a big black ribbon. Those Cainhurst people sure were fops.
Oh, OK, that sounds familiar. I think I found the wig, but I didn't realize it was part of the same set. Was expecting a DS1-style helmet. Wig sounds awesome, though. We be aristocrats now!

And yes, I was aware of what Ophelia means, although not how apt it would become. :-) I chose the name primarily because of Hamlet and, more recently, Pan's Labyrinth (where it's spelled Ofelia, being Spanish and all).
 
One more thing, what is Bloodtinge? That's the stat I leveled maybe two times and it only seems to increase bullets damage.

For the most part, yeah. It's an attribute just like strength or skill, as in some weapons (mostly guns) have bloodtinge attribute bonuses. You can scale some melee weapons with bloodtinge as well.
 
How spoilery is the soundtrack? Can I listen to say the first ten tracks without getting spoiled?
I'm up to Host of Nightmare in the Nightmare of Mensis

If someone could put youtube links to some of the following boss theme, that'd be great:

Host of Nightmare

Witch of Hemlock

Shadow of Yarnham
 
Oh, OK, that sounds familiar. I think I found the wig, but I didn't realize it was part of the same set. Was expecting a DS1-style helmet. Wig sounds awesome, though. We be aristocrats now!

And yes, I was aware of what Ophelia means, although not how apt it would become. :-) I chose the name primarily because of Hamlet and, more recently, Pan's Labyrinth (where it's spelled Ofelia, being Spanish and all).

There's a second armor set there but you get it another way. Look it up. I think that's what you were referring to. :)
 
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