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[SonicXtreme]

wow that ash set from the chalice dungeons is so much better than any other armor.

gonna stream for a while, maybe some chalice dungeons, come say hello and hang gaf i'll talk

http://www.twitch.tv/sonicxtreme/

 

[Mister Wolf]

Anyone know how to dodge Eb

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rietas's

lunge forward attack? Dodging doesn't seem to work.

Its damn near impossible. Basically take the fight to her so she doesn't do that attack. stay on her chest attacking. When she tries to headbutt smash u dodge it and wail on her head.

 

[Beaulieu]

Ebrietas just might be the end of my time with this game.

why?
top 2 easiest boss of the whole game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZBzPnKq4k

 

[Grady]

Fuck off chalice dungeon. Grinding to a million souls right now. Level up time.

 

[105.Will]

There's no "second" Soft Cap, there's one Soft Cap period. Hard Cap = Full stop on stat gains. Soft Cap = severely diminished returns and no real meaningful progression past that point. 26-50 is extremely meaningful and useful and is just a minor decrease in returns, depending on the Stat.

Vitality all the way to 50 is pretty great. Strength and Skill all the way to 50 depends on your weapons scaling stats but is generally good to great. Bloodtinge to 50 is huge for Chikage and of debatable usefulness for Guns. Endurance all the way to 40 is Fantastic.

Arcane scaling is extremely bad for the weapons with built in Arcane Damage. Even with 50 Arcane the Blade of Mercy, Burial Blade, Logarius' Wheel, and Tonitrus only get +25-35 Bonus ATK from it. And, purely from a numbers standpoint, the Arcane scaling on weapons that you convert to pure Arcane/Bolt/Fire with Gems gives you some awful numbers compared to the Physical Scaling they get from Strength and Skill combined when comparing stats all at 50. Though I guess there's some cases to be made for the weird low level PVP meta crap.

Okay i see what your saying. Thanks.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I used the bell a couple of times to help me beat some of the later bosses, most notably Martyr Lucarius. Anyone else use the bell in tough spots? I hate getting one shotted.

 

[tokilamockingbrd]

wow that ash set from the chalice dungeons is so much better than any other armor.

gonna stream for a while, maybe some chalice dungeons, come say hello and hang gaf i'll talk

http://www.twitch.tv/sonicxtreme/

yes. it has the 2nd best physical resistance (Cainhurst is best), it has the highest fire (most usefull alt resistance again many bosses and enemies) and it is solid against poisen. If I put on the frenzy rune I feel pretty protected from the worst stuff the game throws at you.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

why?
top 2 easiest boss of the whole game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZBzPnKq4k

What level were you? unless you pumped all your points into arcane I don't know how each swing to a regular body part did that much. I had a two handed ludwig's and each swing to a normal body part wasn't doing NEARLY that much and I was mid 70's. Admittedly I didn't use a fire/lightning buff though.

 

[Dahbomb]

Arcane scaling is probably worse on purpose. Enemies might take more damage from Arcane damage than physical damage due to their innate physical resistances. Just looking at paper doll stats is probably not giving the whole picture.

 

[SeanTSC]

Fun fact: the Blades of Mercy only do Arcane damage when you attack from a dodge or roll. The weapon makes a different sound and you can see a slight effect on the swing.

Oh wow, I hadn't played with them enough to note that yet. That makes the Arcane damage even more abysmal than it already was.

Not to mention I haven't seen a single pure +ATK UP Gem from Chalice Dungeons, only the +15% ones from the main game. I just don't see the point of the Gems that convert your damage from Physical to Arcane either, because you get so much less ATK. Even on Ludwig's, which has the best Arcane Scaling for it, it is a *massive* gap. Pure +Physical Ludwig's with high end Gems and 50 in stats has over +300 more ATK than the high end Arcane build gems. And on top of that, you can't use Fire/Bolt Paper and the Arcane Buff item anymore, which adds another +80 ATK (Bringing it to around +400 more) on top of the pure Physical Ludwig and lets you hit any enemy's weakness.

 

[LiK]

Man, layer 3 defiled boss kicking my ass with that jump attack

 

[xanavi]

Haha thanks for the help! Finally!

You're welcome.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Its damn near impossible. Basically take the fight to her so she doesn't do that attack. stay on her chest attacking. When she tries to headbutt smash u dodge it and wail on her head.

Definitely learning that. Trying to fight this like a Dark/Demon souls boss by circling it isn't doing anything. Just extending the fight and pushing her to spit more blood/charge. Looks like aggressive is the way to go.

 

[tokilamockingbrd]

Arcane scaling is probably worse on purpose. Enemies might take more damage from Arcane damage than physical damage due to their innate physical resistances. Just looking at paper doll stats is probably not giving the whole picture.

good good point. I felt my Burial Blade was hitting harder than its stats said it was.


Also I have not been able to check this, but does arcane affect the effectiveness of fire paper, bolt paper and empty ecotplasim shell. If so good arcane scaling on lorigs would be broken with high arcane stat.

 

[Phanatic8390]

Awesome, just lost about 40 insight to the Cthulu bitches. They might be one of the most bullshit enemies I've faced.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

good good point. I felt my Burial Blade was hitting harder than its stats said it was.


Also I have not been able to check this, but does arcane affect the effectiveness of fire paper, bolt paper and empty ecotplasim shell. If so good arcane scaling on lorigs would be broken with high arcane stat.

it for sure affects the shell as that has a min arcane rating to be used and i believe scales with arcane.

 

[tokilamockingbrd]

Man, layer 3 defiled boss kicking my ass with that jump attack

1st phase or 3rd phase jumping? I found in 3rd phase (once she breaks off limbs and uses them for weapons) the only way to be her was to hang out by her legs hitting them watching for stomp and then immediately getting under her legs again after she jumps away.

1st phase can be hard to dodge, just make sure you have enough vit you dont get one shot.The time beat her after dying 20 times I actually survived a beam blast and getting jumped (not in succession, I healed then immediately got jumped)

 

[Alucrid]

aaaaaaaannnd done

 

[Grady]

Man, layer 3 defiled boss kicking my ass with that jump attack

Duuuude, such a shit luck fight. Im at the same boss

 

[SeanTSC]

good good point. I felt my Burial Blade was hitting harder than its stats said it was.


Also I have not been able to check this, but does arcane affect the effectiveness of fire paper, bolt paper and empty ecotplasim shell. If so good arcane scaling on lorigs would be broken with high arcane stat.

I don't believe it scales - the Paper doesn't have scaling and Arcane buff item has no scaling stat. All 3 of the buff items give a flat +80 to my weapons that they're usable on. Hunter's Axe has a C in Arcane and Ludwig's has an A in Arcane and they both get a flat +80 on all 3 items, so it's not based on weapon scaling either.

 

[GulAtiCa]

Hmm. BSB in chalice dungeon for me was quite easy. Few failed attempts due to him eating me in 1 hit, lol. But very easy to dodge. Boy is that a difference from when I first played against him in the game and was sucking. lol.

 

[Neff]

Anyone know how to dodge Eb

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rietas's

lunge forward attack? Dodging doesn't seem to work.

A combination of walk and roll will do it. Running alone isn't enough because it's too slow to start up. As soon as you see her go into the pre-charge animation, immediately walk horizontally (assuming she's in front of you) to the side you're clearest on, then as she charges, roll in the same direction you're walking in. It's about 80% effective, but you will occasionally get hit since she's such a big damn mess of hitboxes.

Don't ask me how to dodge her flying lunge though, I have no idea.

 

[Beaulieu]

What level were you? unless you pumped all your points into arcane I don't know how each swing to a regular body part did that much. I had a two handed ludwig's and each swing to a normal body part wasn't doing NEARLY that much and I was mid 70's. Admittedly I didn't use a fire/lightning buff though.

I was between 75 and 80
I had 8 arcane points, I played a skill build

 

[H3rTz DoNuT]

Oh wow, I hadn't played with them enough to note that yet. That makes the Arcane damage even more abysmal than it already was.

Not to mention I haven't seen a single pure +ATK UP Gem from Chalice Dungeons, only the +15% ones from the main game. I just don't see the point of the Gems that convert your damage from Physical to Arcane either, because you get so much less ATK. Even on Ludwig's, which has the best Arcane Scaling for it, it is a *massive* gap. Pure +Physical Ludwig's with high end Gems and 50 in stats has over +300 more ATK than the high end Arcane build gems. And on top of that, you can't use Fire/Bolt Paper and the Arcane Buff item anymore, which adds another +80 ATK (Bringing it to around +400 more) on top of the pure Physical Ludwig and lets you hit any enemy's weakness.

I have many pure +ATK UP from chalice dungeons, the highest pure I've got are +21,8%, second highest I have are +21% and some 20.3% and I have like 6 of each.

 

[Tiamant]

Hi guys, something awful just happened to me while fighting the last boss

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Bug time. As Gerhman enters super saiyan mode he rushes to me and disappears into thin air, 10 seconds pass and suddenly PREY SLAUGHTERED... Yeah, I'm not very happy with my moment of glory being taken away like that, From.

Micolash disappeared too into thin air but I thought it was part of the puzzle fight. Luckily I used a hunters mark to teleport away and I was able to finish the boss later.

 

[SeanTSC]

it for sure affects the shell as that has a min arcane rating to be used and i believe scales with arcane.

The Shell has a minimum of 15 to use it, but on the item itself it has *No* Arcane Scaling stat unlike the other Arcane Spell items. And see my other post - the Shell and both Papers all give a flat +80 to all my weapons regardless of their own stats.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I was between 75 and 80
I had 8 arcane points, I played a skill build

then maybe I should have used a fire paper because I'm a quality build and wasn't doing nearly as much damage and was at 75. Unless your skill is ridiculously high lol

The Shell has a minimum of 15 to use it, but on the item itself it has *No* Arcane Scaling stat unlike the other Arcane Spell items. And see my other post - the Shell and both Papers all give a flat +80 to all my weapons regardless of their own stats.

Nevermind then. I made an assumption since the other hunter tools many scale with arcane.

 

[jimmypython]

the U

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nseen

V

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illage

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3 hunters gave me the hardest time, even harder than some of the bosses

Just beat'em after around 20 tries lol...I feel like a boss now

 

[Beaulieu]

then maybe I should have used a fire paper because I'm a quality build and wasn't doing nearly as much damage and was at 75. Unless your skill is ridiculously high lol



Nevermind then. I made an assumption since the other hunter tools many scale with arcane.

I don't remember what skill I had at that moment but my weapon was def. +10 already.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I don't remember what skill I had at that moment but my weapon was def. +10 already.

You just reminded me I need to find that rock so I can get my sword to +10.

 

[toastyToast]

Is there a guide with the locations of all the blood gems in the main game? I found an 18% physical attack one on Unseen Village, there have to be more of that calibre.

The waning gem I've got equipped note is terrible.

 

[Astral]

I wonder which enemies are even weak to pure Arcane damage. I don't mean fire and bolt, I mean Arcane like that flamethrower-like weapon that blows fairy dust. I equipped an Arcane gem on Ludwig's Holy Blade with my character at 40 Arcane and it was doing pitiful damage.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I wonder which enemies are even weak to pure Arcane damage. I don't mean fire and bolt, I mean Arcane like that flamethrower-like weapon that blows fairy dust. I equipped an Arcane gem on Ludwig's Holy Blade with my character at 40 Arcane and it was doing pitiful damage.

they must've learned their lesson after faith build in Dark Souls 2 was easy mode.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

What level are people when they

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fight and earn the last trophy? Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen

 

[super-famicom]

Is there a guide with the locations of all the blood gems in the main game? I found an 18% physical attack one on Unseen Village, there have to be more of that calibre.

The waning gem I've got equipped note is terrible.

The really good ones are gonna mostly drop in chalice dungeons, depths 4 and 5, with better chances of you use a fetid offering when creating a dungeon.

 

[red720]

I wonder if they plan to fix the issue with enemies being too small = you can't hit them... I really hate this. Even if we are on level plane, the targeting system doesn't work well against enemies too small, like small individual snakes/ga'uld or that small mud thing in the chalice dungeon. Game's weapon swing just goes slightly above. You'd think that even though you are looking at it, your character would be smarter and aim lower. :/

I find myself using specific attacks for short enemies. The L1 attack with Ludwig's Holy Blade in great sword mode works great.

 

[105.Will]

What level are people when they

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fight and earn the last trophy? Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen

I think i was around 140

 

[Deified Data]

Guys - use my blood rock to upgrade my cane to +10 now for the final battle or wait for NG+ to use it on the

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scythe

?

 

[skLaFarebear]

Man you back off for just a second and she kills you instantly with the charge. I guess if I don't stay inside the entire time I'm basically dead.

That charge kills you in 1 hit.

 

[Incendiary]

Ugly Motherfucker down!!

Two bosses in quik succession tonight. I feel great!

 

[Mister Wolf]

Definitely learning that. Trying to fight this like a Dark/Demon souls boss by circling it isn't doing anything. Just extending the fight and pushing her to spit more blood/charge. Looks like aggressive is the way to go.

Yeah get in Gutts black swordsman mode and go right at her. You're not trapped inside with Ebreitas, she's trapped inside with you.

 

[Gbraga]

I'm usually against respec in souls games, but I'm kinda worried the whole gem thing might make it so creating new builds isn't really a lot of fun.

Guys - use my blood rock to upgrade my cane to +10 now for the final battle or wait for NG+ to use it on the

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scythe

?

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I'm using the scythe and kept the Blood Rock for it since people told me it was NG+ only. I don't regret it.

 

[H3rTz DoNuT]

Guys - use my blood rock to upgrade my cane to +10 now for the final battle or wait for NG+ to use it on the

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scythe

?

You can find more Blood Rocks in Depth 5 Root Chalice Dungeons if you want to upgrade many weapons to +10.

 

[105.Will]

Guys - use my blood rock to upgrade my cane to +10 now for the final battle or wait for NG+ to use it on the

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scythe

?

It depends on if you're bored with the cane or not. I had the same issue, ended up using it on the

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scythe

and never looked back.

 

[super-famicom]

Guys - use my blood rock to upgrade my cane to +10 now for the final battle or wait for NG+ to use it on the

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scythe

?

The

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scythe

only goes to B scaling at +10, cane is at A.

 

[Deified Data]

Man you back off for just a second and she kills you instantly with the charge. I guess if I don't stay inside the entire time I'm basically dead.

That charge kills you in 1 hit.

I could survive a hit from it when I fought her but I never found a reliable means of dodging it.

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Ultimately I beat her by strafing to her left (your right) and attacking her back.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Where do you get a Blood Rock?

Edit - I see above you can get additionals from a dungeon, but how about a regular one? and using it on the Axe should be ok?

 

[skLaFarebear]

Yeah get in Gutts black swordsman mode and go right at her. You're not trapped inside with Ebreitas, she's trapped inside with you.

Damn straight. Just fucking beat her! And to add insult, I even stunned her before she died. Didn't let her breathe for a second.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Speaking of the blood rock, where the hell is that thing?

 

[toastyToast]

The really good ones are gonna mostly drop in chalice dungeons, depths 4 and 5, with better chances of you use a fetid offering when creating a dungeon.

This is my second dude and I'd rather avoid ever entering a chalice dungeon ever again lol

I'm usually against respec in souls games, but I'm kinda worried the whole gem thing might make it so creating new builds isn't really a lot of fun.

Yeah. They make such a huge difference. Being back to same level isn't a big deal but getting access the same gems which even has a degree of RNG to it is really painful.